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[Lillith Blackheart]

Ahh... goddamnit, there was a whole lot of useful stuff in that post despite my response to it. You could've just clipped it. :/

[Casiella]

So copy and paste the non-responsive stuff into a new post!

I do have to note that the events have already spurred a lot of additional RP, so that at least is a good sign in and of itself. We don't have to accept mediocrity, I agree, but we can choose how to respond. I choose to provide positive feedback and constructive criticism and do my bit to help guide CCP toward a more useful program.

[Silver Night]

Ahh... goddamnit, there was a whole lot of useful stuff in that post despite my response to it. You could've just clipped it. :/

That stuff turns into editing someone else's post to reflect what you (or I, in this case) believe too easily. Think it is better to give people the opportunity to repost in lines with the rules in their own way.  

[Lillith Blackheart]

I would just like to stress that negative feedback and constructive criticism are not mutually exclusive.

[Wanoah]

In my experience, constructive criticism can be accepted as such far more readily when it's sweetened with some credit where it is due as well as highlighting the negatives.

Things that are useless, from my POV:

"This is great!"

"This is shit! DIAF! Also, your momma."

"I hated this / enjoyed this."

"This is awesome and everyone who disagrees is an idiot."

OK, so unmodified praise is nice, admittedly, but beyond stroking your ego a little (and fuck, it so needs it a lot of the time!) it doesn't help you improve things one iota.  99% of all opinion on the Internet falls into the utterly useless category one way or another; whether it's unmitigated fanboyism or fangirlism; or the usual mouth-foaming rabid hatred and ignorance that accompanies anything published anywhere publicly where comments are allowed.

People seem to think that they have this colossal right to not only have opinions, but express them too. Something about democracy and freedom of speech. Go figure. This mostly seems to equate to the notion that you have the inalienable right to be a colossal cunt, as evidenced by the most cursory of glances at youTube comments.

In my ideal world, though, people would offer up criticism and actually say why they think things have worked or haven't worked. They won't reach straight for the rhetoric and the hyperbole. Instead they will say things like:

"I enjoyed this because you did x really well. Y wasn't a bad idea, but was less effective because <insert reasoning>."

"I really didn't like this at all because <insert reasoning>. Still, z was quite effective when you did <something>."

Everyone has opinions, but qualified opinions are gold.

[Lillith Blackheart]

I would suggest that throughout this thread I have not only qualified my opinions but also offered suggestions. Emotive language does not equate to rage, contrary to what people here seem to think.

[Silver Night]

[admin]Emotive is not the same as constructive. Nor are they mutually exclusive. You can try for both. Thread cleaned, again. Please keep it within the guidelines. If the thread has to be modded again, there will probably be warnings.Edit: Also, please remember that using the 'report' button is preferable to responding to posts that may be a breach. In fact, responding to a posts that breaks the rules or guidelines is itself a breach of the guidelines.Report, and if need be discuss moderation in the proper section.[/admin]

[Wanoah]

I would suggest that throughout this thread I have not only qualified my opinions but also offered suggestions. Emotive language does not equate to rage, contrary to what people here seem to think.

Oh, just in case it isn't clear, I wasn't directly responding to what you were saying in my earlier post. I was just talking more generally about what I think re criticism. I just have this need to outline my utopian vision of a world where people aren't idiots every so often.

[Kaleigh Doyle]

What I find amusing about all this is that Lillith is practically ostracized for having a critical viewpoint about the manner in which the events are run, based on a view point that a) we don't have any voice on how these are run anyway, so just run with it and b) we don't want to hurt the developer's feelings with 'negative' commentary that makes them stop it altogether. Maybe they appreciate alittle critical thought, eh?

Whether you think it needs improving or not is subjective, and I'm sure most of you are content with things as it is. I respect that, but I also respect constructive criticism and an opportunity for improvement, which hopefully they might consider if they watch these boards. If not, it's just blowing steam anyway.

[Svetlana Scarlet]

I wasn't trying to ostracize Lillith, I was just pointing out the practical problems with what she was complaining about.

[Saxon Hawke]

The event in Intaki (which I missed by an hour dammit!) brought more than 100 pilots to the system and forced some meaningful interaction between the Intaki Prosperity Initiative and several Pro-Fed corps.

Since our war with Moira. ended a few months ago, we had been at a stalemate in terms of RP. We remained hostile because of what had happened, but there was very little to go on. The Sansha attack has pushed us into the area of "unlikely allies." I will grant that this is a bit cliche, but most storytelling relies on some archetype and I'm excited to play this one out.

After reviewing transcripts and logs, I agree that there is room for improvement. However, I cannot condemn the effort that has been put into these events thus far. Considering the relatively small portion of role players in the overall player population, I think CCP is putting forth all of the resources they feel they can justify.

[Kaleigh Doyle]

Just an update on this, I think the live events have significantly improved and really included the player base alot more, and most of the criticisms I had have about them are gone. I think I can safely say I haven't had this much fun in EVE in years...literally. 

My question at this point is; Is this event arc simply a grandios introduction for Tyrannis or will a team be committed to this kind of player involvement in the future? I just have to say I hope the latter is true, and I hope it shows that this kind of venture, investing in the entertainment of your player base, can be a profitable excursion. I know it'll keep me around.

[Alain Colcer]

I really hope we get a "closure" report of some kind, it has been awfully difficult to keep track of all the details. I just read that Sutola Endoma was a Sansha agent and now Harah Joele has designated several officers to maintain contact.

Nice development, but would be nice if CONCORD and the governments file official reports afterwards.

[Wanoah]

Just an update on this, I think the live events have significantly improved and really included the player base alot more, and most of the criticisms I had have about them are gone. I think I can safely say I haven't had this much fun in EVE in years...literally. 

Aha! See? See?

[Kaleigh Doyle]

See what?