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[Louella Dougans]

You know I've seen very few Amarr characters making use of a very nifty clause in the Scriptures when dealing with r/atheist types -- the, "I do not specialize in that area of the Scriptures," escape.

Pfft, the scriptures are small enough for any capsuleer to read them in a day. ALL of the Scriptures. Including those ones written in archaic language. 

Therefore, specialisation in an area is unnecessary, and only a simpleton is incapable of understanding ALL of the Scriptures written by billions of people across the thousands of worlds of the Empire. 

Therefore, you are a simpleton and your argument is irrelevant, as is your religion. 

Or so the argument goes. Lalalalalalalalalalalaaa 

Guys, stop trying to not be evil, religion is evil IRL, you're doing it wrong if you're religious and not stupid/evil/insane. 

Because capsuleer cyberimplants.

edited for REASONS.

[Arista Shahni]

I approve.  /evil

[Katrina Oniseki]

[Arista Shahni]

Come now Boris, let us show them that we are not so evil!

I'd take it as a personal insult to my intelligence if I cared enough about what gets murmured about Amarr RPers if its assumed we're capable of only playing one dimensional characters that endlessly slaver at the mouth about how their way is the only right way...

.. owait.. that's common in every EVE faction in game.

I do admit that I enjoy not even needing a killboard to peeve people off.  They're mad cause when I first saw eve I decided I liked lasers.  Tee-hee.

[orange]

They're mad cause when I first saw eve I decided I liked lasers.  Tee-hee.

Eventually all ship weapons will be lasers... or have you been missing the marketing material.

[Lunarisse Aspenstar]

You know I've seen very few Amarr characters making use of a very nifty clause in the Scriptures when dealing with r/atheist types -- the, "I do not specialize in that area of the Scriptures," escape.

For example:

"All you Amarr are evil due to slavery"
"I'm sorry, I'm only trained in Scriptural astrophysics and not in the Scriptural study on the duties of a Holder."

"All you Amarr are evil due to your religious reclaiming."
"I'm sorry, I'm only trained in Scriptural anthropology and for a more in-depth and insightful elaboration upon Scriptural military codex doctrines I'm afraid I must refer you to a Paladin."

Etc.

Actually, Luna has.... sort of.    it makes sense given the nature of the Amarr scriptures.

[Gaven Lok ri]

1. Scientific advancement is definitely considered holy. I would not call its practitioner's priests, though. Rather, its just understood that science is also religious. The very idea of there being any separation between secular things and religious things is one that I think is entirely absent in Amarrian thought. I see scientific revelation as being part of the revelatory function of religion in Amarr, and as such would expect there to be tech saints.

2. I have been pushing the "scriptures are too big for you to have read all of them line" for years now. It makes for a much more interesting world than a closed book scriptural model.

[Nicoletta Mithra]

What Gaven says. This bit deserves special recognition, thopugh, imho with this topic: "I would not call its practitioner's priests, though. Rather, its just understood that science is also religious."

A scientist's purpose isn't to see to the church rites and minister to the people, but to explore and describe God's will as represented in natural laws. Both may mix, though, on occasion and as Amarr are the best educated people in the cluster (or at least the only ones that by PF "tend to be highly educated") a priest would usually have an idea about what's going on in the sciences and a scientist would know a bit about theology - especially where the topics touch.

And yes, Amarr citizens will have to learn science - because it reveals God's will.

[V. Gesakaarin]

Well it certainly makes the Amarr far more complicated than some might give them credit for if they see no conflict between their faith and rational inquiry through the sciences.

[Arista Shahni]

mmhmm.

just you wait.

[Lyn Farel]

The conflict can arise though, as shown through the godflesh debate or cloning or else... But it does not arises from faith or religion per se, but from TRADITION and CONSERVATISM (since the Empire is rather conservative).

I'll take a crazy analogy but when they voted the law on gay marriage here all the protestors were not faithful people and religious movements, but traditionnalists mostly. The religious movements just jumped on the bandwagon...

[Gaven Lok ri]

The conflict can arise though, as shown through the godflesh debate or cloning or else... But it does not arises from faith or religion per se, but from TRADITION and CONSERVATISM (since the Empire is rather conservative).

Agree with this.

Amarr also has a fairly conservative scientific process I would say. The burden of evidence to disprove a scientific theory is probably pretty massive. I am also not sure how rational they are about their scientific project.

IE Technological progress and scientific knowledge are holy, but I am not sure that challenging beliefs is as sacrosanct as it is in the modern scientific project.

[Vic Van Meter]

The conflict can arise though, as shown through the godflesh debate or cloning or else... But it does not arises from faith or religion per se, but from TRADITION and CONSERVATISM (since the Empire is rather conservative).

Agree with this.

Amarr also has a fairly conservative scientific process I would say. The burden of evidence to disprove a scientific theory is probably pretty massive. I am also not sure how rational they are about their scientific project.

IE Technological progress and scientific knowledge are holy, but I am not sure that challenging beliefs is as sacrosanct as it is in the modern scientific project.

The Amarr do seem conservative and old fashioned as a people, but I think that's because they're a more cautious, crafty people on the whole.  They aren't likely to take on a new idea until it's been vetted and tested, since they don't like missteps.  So they probably stick to older ideas that work until they absolutely know something else will work better and they know how to best integrate it.

On the other hand, I'm not sure that new scientific ideas that seem to upend their notions of reality are going to jar them as much as, say, conservatives of contemporary Earth religions.  They do seem to figure, rationally, that if the Scriptures seem to say one thing and it is discovered that the reality is something different, they go with reality and try to figure out what the Scriptures must have meant instead.  Amarrian Scriptures also seem to be much more metaphorical and commanding rather than spending time trying to describe the minutiae of God's schedule while creating the universe.

It makes it more fun since it's easy to come up with a parable rather than trying to coordinate how many children preceded the first emperor from the first human.

[Lyn Farel]

It's taking the scriptures as the bits we are feed on the eve wiki though. Those are very generic bible like texts, which would answer to their religious parts. With more mundane or scientific scriptures, you can bet that their texts are extremely precise and rational. You can not make serious science by remaining highly evasive or metaphorical. The only science texts that would be written in such way would rather be essays and philosophic thoughts on science facts, rather than science theories themselves.

[V. Gesakaarin]

I always thought the bits of Scripture currently available in PF were more or less metaphorical or allegorical snippets of history: parables and fables of theological importance.

I mean, one might say the the excerpt from Amarr Prime Customs Agency regulations, section 17, subsection 4, paragraph 8:

The following items may only be imported or exported with the express prior approval of the Imperial Underscrivener for Commercial Affairs:

Narcotic substances; handheld firearms; slaver hounds (except as personal property); Mindflood; live insects; ungulates; Class 1 refrigerants and aerosols; forced laborers/personal slaves (or other sapient livestock); animal germ-plasm; biomass of human origin; xenobiotics; walnuts.

Is Scripture, legal Scriptures in an Empire that has no separation between Church and State, no?

If the laws change, they become apocryphal. If new theories arise in the field of science that countermand previous theories then they become apocryphal too -- which might explain why scientific progress is slower in the Empire because they want to be absolutely sure before making a Scriptural theory apocrypha?