I don't understand.
It seems as if you are trying to say your thoughts, but hiding it under vague wording. What's the problem?
The problem is twofold - primarily, it is that when we're talking to someone with my level of experience with the pitfalls of certain portions of the community, I must work very hard not to light any fuses, my own or otherwise, and secondarily, it is that I'm trying to avoid putting together an inaccurate list of percieved symptoms for this particular ailment that I claims exists.
These things mean there's going to be a certain vagueness to my thoughts.
your point seems sort of incorrect Ashar, to shorten and paraphrase, you basically seem to be saying "I want to be able to have looser debates, like on chatsubo."
I don't mention that in any way connected to my primary point.
however, your argument that a lot of people want to be able to do that is invalid because, if they did they'd still be on chatsubo. People knew about the moderation and things here. thats why they came here in the first place.
No. People came here to escape the attitudes and tendencies encountered in discussion on chatsubo. There was still moderation of a variety of inappropriate forms of content there; the problem wasn't the policies or the practice of moderating content. It was the practice of not reigning in or effectively reforming those who regularly committed a cardinal sin while the petty blasphemers were thrown in the stocks and handed whippings left and right.
Over a period of years, his behavior finally destroyed the capacity of that forum to be useful to its userbase, save for those who were using it to feed off each other.
Let's not feed off each other in this thread, please.
Let's also not make the mistake that being an improvement over the old regime makes one a servant of undeniable virtue.
Saying you want loose rules and moderation seems to me like going to an amusement park then complaining that its not a carnival.
I guess the takeaway here is unclear, unless you're trying to tell me that your typical carnival is less strict than an amusement park? I don't know.
Everyone is here because of the moderation.
I was hoping we would learn by now not to speak for others.
Ashar, what are the problems that you and others see with the forums? What are the perceived problems?
I'll go into this shortly, in another post.
I understand that you have a different way of going about things but this isn't constructive. As you've said to me before in not so many words, "if you're the only one that gets it, what's the point?"
I will be blunt because we have a friendship and a mutual understanding.
There's a difference between you being the only one to see a massive network of connections in some fiction and getting myopic about it on the one hand and me talking to a few dozen people, getting a certain response rather often, and being the only one here to voice it because the response invariably starts with 'I don't post or read backstage because _________' on the other hand. This is due to the the supporting parties definitely existing - in numbers - in my case and 'getting it,' but being disinclined to come here and state their case because they don't come here.
Forgive me if I wish not to put words in their mouths.
I see that one of your points is in regards to appeals, what do you see as needing change in this regard?
I'll think about it and see if I can put it more concretely.
I didn't lay out criteria for you above, I merely underscored the existence of one of this forum's problems. This problem is a hurdle for a good number of potential users that might be here contributing if it were corrected.
How would a simple change of moderation alleviate this problem?
I don't think I suggested that just yet, so I'll put the question down to your own initiative to get the conversation moving along towards a proposal. Don't think I'm prepared to go there at this point.
Sometimes it's best to work with what you do have available. I remember when you yourself promoted Chatsubo, and got a young player of a character by the name of Amann Karris to look there for the first time. It's how I found out about a certain contest that led to me acquiring a character by the name of Nikilaiki Ruutarhara. It was a wonderful place once. Times change, people change.
You were a new player then? Damn.
Look at your own statements and think about this: Is it really the moderation that is the problem? Is it the rules? Is it your own expectations, or how those expectations are met?
'Kay.
To quote a certain pointy-eared philosopher, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." There's a reason Spock is my favorite character in Star Trek. 
McCoy is my second favorite, for different reasons. 
Got nothin' left but ma bones.
Also, you have no taste, elf-lover.
For want of a more constructive input into this thread - how about a private feedback system is created (e.g. with appropriate pro-forma that can be filled in via a link)? I imagine this would allow people to suggest changes directly without the same 'exposure' that may be interpreted to be felt from posting a public thread/forcing a discussion of a potentially less popular idea, that would in turn be diluted in the discussion of them whom the OP would view as incompatible opinioned.
How about, as a courtesy to the staff, we ensure that whatever solution we propose is something the party that will bear the weight of instituting solutions can bear? I can't code that shit, can you? Be awesome if you could.
I'm not.
Which begs the question, why are you here, Lallara dear?
...This came off a bit more combative than you likely intended it, despite the kind tone in it. Possibly because it sounds like certain other users.
