This thread isn't really here for discussion of whether you think Norrin was right or not. Ultimately that isn't actually relevant to his being moderated - and I have with some frequency moderated people who I thought were right.
This is a thread about why Norrin's post broke the rules. Which it did with it's passive-aggressive YDIW content.
I think there is some confusion here about the difference between
what can be discussed, and
how things can be discussed. Norrin's post was moderated because of the
how rather than the
what.
To quote a couple of bits from the FAQ:
It is not a place for telling other people they are 'doing it wrong".
Q: But they ARE wrong! On the internet!
A: Disagreeing with you doesn't make them wrong. Sometimes people do make errors of fact, but its possible to point that out without asshattery. For example, if Joe Bloggs says that Fedos are kept by the Amarr to hunt down escaped slaves, you might say: "I got a different impression from here." and link to the EVO Chron. Also, remember how big the EVE Cluster is. Someone has a different approach to something that the PF is silent on? Think about the difference between Fiji and Siberia, and how many cultures there are on this one planet. Now multiply that by every planet in every system in every constellation in every ... you get the picture.
Q: So you want us to act all lovey-dovey?
A: Yes. Deal with it.
Q: Doesn't being polite to people I disagree with make me a hypocrite?
A: No. It makes you a grown-up.
Q: What about free and frank debate?
A: Strange as it may seem, given some of the forums on the internet, but it is possible to have an honest exchange of views without being rude, hostile, offensive, aggressive or bullying. That kind of behaviour destroys communities, virtual and otherwise, and Will Not Be Tolerated.
Q: But I totally know more about EVE and RP than that idiot who just posted!
A: Good for you. Now demonstrate that you also know more about being a grown-up. Your personal experience in EVE and outside it can inform your opinion and provide you with examples for your position, but it doesn't magically make your opinion worth more than someone else's. There are veteran EVE players, life-long table-top gamers, expert LARPers, published authors and many others in the EVE RP community. We all bring something different to the table: so share what you bring rather than trying to use it to knock everyone else's plate to the floor.
Q: How can I tell if my post is out of line or not?
A: It's a safe bet that if you finish typing and think to yourself: "Hah! I showed HIM!" you should probably not post. Other danger signs: personal attacks on the player, including the player's style of RP (i.e. "of course you think that, you RP an Amarr"), insinuations that anyone who disagrees with you is a moron.
Q: So I can't disagree with anyone's RP?
A: Sure you can disagree. Just do it politely, I'll even venture to say nicely, and remember that they have as much right to their opinion as you have to yours. For example: Player A writes: "I see the Intaki as space hippies." Player B answers: "Of course they aren't space hippies, there are no hippies in Eve." That would be the WRONG way to answer. The RIGHT way would be something like "Really? I see the Intaki as more techno-buddhists. That's how I play my character, but hey, it's a big Cluster, right?"
Quite a bit of the FAQ is designed in part to address these very sorts of issues, in fact.
If you want to have a discussion about how you, with your characters, approach interactions with enemies, that is certainly allowed. What isn't allowed is the suggestion that because other people don't interact in what you believe to be the 'correct' way, that they are doing it wrong or that their RP isn't valid.
Posting YDIW flamebait in a thread is the wrong way to go about it.
TLDR: It doesn't matter if someone is pretending to be a Cylon, there is no special 'But they are really, really wrong!' exemption to the 'YDIW' rule. Feel free to post about your own approach without casting aspersions on other people's approaches, though.
Finally, this thread isn't the place for that discussion. So if you want to have it make your own thread. There are slightly different standards in Mod Discussion, but additional off-topic posts will be catacombed.
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