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[Seriphyn]

Perhaps one thing that separates the Caldari Navy from its rival in the Federation is its purpose. Since everything is owned by the megacorporations, they have their own forces to occupy and control territory.

So what do the Caldari Navy do in peacetime? It sounds to me that the Caldari Navy is an outright offensive outfit (from its corp desc for example). While not necessarily synonymous with power projection (State is not really an influence-spreading culture compared to Amarr or Gallente, they want to protect their own), their doctrine may be to go in, destroy, then let the megacorp come in.

Say a megacorp was under threat, and their security force was not enough. The Caldari Navy would be called in and would eliminate the threat, and leave. Probably why they're the more smaller armed force, and why you had comments from Reppola about "not being designed for a sustained offensive" etc.

This is different from the Federation and Empire militaries, who are influence-projecting. The Federation Navy does stuff like counter drug smuggling operations, anti-piracy, humanitarian/disaster relief, civil affairs etc. Their objectives is to secure Federation interests, and occupy territory if need be. Similarly, the Imperial Navy would be outfitted for total conquest.

[GoGo Yubari]

Perhaps one thing that separates the Caldari Navy from its rival in the Federation is its purpose. Since everything is owned by the megacorporations, they have their own forces to occupy and control territory.

So what do the Caldari Navy do in peacetime? It sounds to me that the Caldari Navy is an outright offensive outfit (from its corp desc for example). While not necessarily synonymous with power projection (State is not really an influence-spreading culture compared to Amarr or Gallente, they want to protect their own), their doctrine may be to go in, destroy, then let the megacorp come in.

Say a megacorp was under threat, and their security force was not enough. The Caldari Navy would be called in and would eliminate the threat, and leave. Probably why they're the more smaller armed force, and why you had comments from Reppola about "not being designed for a sustained offensive" etc.

While I think your "go in, destroy, let the megacorp occupy" approach is probably spot on when the Caldari Navy goes on the offensive, I'm pretty convinced that their purpose is primarily defensive. That was the obvious purpose when it was built, along with such things as the fortification of Citadel, etc. And that's what it means when it says it's aim is to be able to defeat any other navy - while still allowing it to be small. So, definitely not a force projection fleet.

[Lyn Farel]

I think the caldari navy is also the independant force that helps to bind the State together. What would keep megacorporations to do whatever they want ? The Caldari Busines Tribunal ? The Corporate Pannel ? Maybe, but without any force to back up their judgements, arbitings, etc, i think everything would be more like the rl UN : everyone doing whatever he wants, no matter what says the UN.

[Gottii]

Perhaps one thing that separates the Caldari Navy from its rival in the Federation is its purpose. Since everything is owned by the megacorporations, they have their own forces to occupy and control territory.

So what do the Caldari Navy do in peacetime? It sounds to me that the Caldari Navy is an outright offensive outfit (from its corp desc for example). While not necessarily synonymous with power projection (State is not really an influence-spreading culture compared to Amarr or Gallente, they want to protect their own), their doctrine may be to go in, destroy, then let the megacorp come in.

Say a megacorp was under threat, and their security force was not enough. The Caldari Navy would be called in and would eliminate the threat, and leave. Probably why they're the more smaller armed force, and why you had comments from Reppola about "not being designed for a sustained offensive" etc.

While I think your "go in, destroy, let the megacorp occupy" approach is probably spot on when the Caldari Navy goes on the offensive, I'm pretty convinced that their purpose is primarily defensive. That was the obvious purpose when it was built, along with such things as the fortification of Citadel, etc. And that's what it means when it says it's aim is to be able to defeat any other navy - while still allowing it to be small. So, definitely not a force projection fleet.

I'm not sure I would characterize the Caldari military as defensive or not a force projection fleet.  PF states that in many ways they're the most "meddlesome" of the four main races, which would indicate that they're no strangers to projecting their influence, military or otherwise, beyond the State.

[Seriphyn]

You're right Gottii, I recall reading that, but I'm trying to think of specific examples. Caldari go on about protecting their own culture from exterior influences but I haven't found many fictional (news item etc) examples of them going abroad and potentially violating sovereignty to get their national interests. The corporations have their own police forces, so I don't think the CalNav would be required. Feds on the other hand did Kassigainen, sent a supercarrier into Monalaz during on the incursions, and offered FedNav support to Jamyl after Pashanai bombings.

Unless I'm reading "meddlesome" wrong...

[Silver Night]

It might be that their MO is to meddle via the megacorps and their business interests (Since even in the era of the CPD, the State is the Megacorps to a very real degree, I think). You have SuVee buying up a lot of land on a planet, or Ishukone put in a station, and suddenly they exert very real influence, economically and culturally, on at least a relatively 'local' scale.

I would go further and say that militarily, 'meddling' is probably more likely to come from a specific corporation (and perhaps their paramilitary arm) and that such meddling is unlikely to be directly against agents of other governments, at least on what you might call the 'Federal' level - that is, not against GalNav, but maybe (covertly) against say Roden, or some ogranization on a system or planet level. Or another Mega, ofc.

[Seriphyn]

Ah yes, individual meddling by individual corporations, as opposed to central government meddling like the Federation.

[Mithfindel]

Or better, buy a few capsuleers or some completely unrelated mercenary unit to do the trick, depending on the amount of force needed. It's even better if you pose as the Guristas or your rival megacorp while doing so to keep the fools from giving you out while drunk at Jita 4-4 bar.

[orange]

Or better, buy a few capsuleers or some completely unrelated mercenary unit to do the trick, depending on the amount of force needed. It's even better if you pose as the Guristas or your rival megacorp while doing so to keep the fools from giving you out while drunk at Jita 4-4 bar.

Or them look like Federal insurgents.   

[Seriphyn]

Grounding it a bit more in the OP of "attitudes", was thinking of stuff along the lines of "No man left behind".

That's likely a policy operated by the Gallente, and I'm curious if maybe the Caldari would think similar. Given their focus is on "the greater good", then sacrificing a guy for the mission might be acceptable (and only allowed to happen for the others if it's impossible otherwise).

We know Amarr does not appreciate retreat or cowardice, and they enslave you or worse for that.

[Mithfindel]

In the Caldari-Gallente War, the Caldari were low on manpower. Of course, Tovil-Toba did the famous suicide maneuver on Gallente Prime (with a skeleton crew on board), but other than that, they fought with guerrilla tactics. As a heritage of the low manpower situation, I'd expect that Caldari, as well, don't like leaving anyone behind. And anyway, the Caldari and the Gallente were together long enough that they would very likely have a lot of influence on each other, whether they like it or not.

[Louella Dougans]

about gallente.

One of the Fed Navy pilots in that novel, makes a flippant remark about "For king and country, I am thy servant, et cetera", when asked "did you forget what your obligations are?"

might be nothing tho.

[Cmdr Baxter]

Removed to avoid confusion.

[orange]

Baxter, how do you envision a military corporation interacting with its largest customers?

The Caldari Navy is wholly owned by the CEP, which is essentially a conglomerate of the big 8.  The Caldari Navy provides a service to all those corporations, with its strategic goals being set by its owner.  Those strategic goals would be set in boardroom meetings between the big 8 and CN.

In essence, Heth could not direct the Caldari Navy CNO to do anything.  She is his equal in a very real way.

[Cmdr Baxter]

I stand corrected. I wasn't aware the CEP controlled the budget for the Navy.