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Who is responsible for the health of RP in EVE ?

Me, meaning you
- 10 (16.4%)
You, meaning me
- 14 (23%)
That guy
- 8 (13.1%)
No, not that guy, that other guy
- 5 (8.2%)
Graelyn
- 24 (39.3%)

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Author Topic: Bitter in the hello forum  (Read 5034 times)

Lyn Farel

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Re: Bitter in the hello forum
« Reply #15 on: 08 Mar 2014, 05:07 »


I don't think this community is driving anyone away who didn't already have a foot out the door.

That's convenient. It's bit putting the cart before the horse.

Maybe some people have the foot out the door precisely because of perfectly valid reasons.

Yet even then, the fact that there are six of us altogether ensures that even that rare situation doesn't simply end there.  There is then discussion on the Moderators' board that everyone doesn't see.  If a situation were to happen where one moderator went rogue and catacombed something based on personal motives rather than the maintenance of the desired posting environment of the forums, the post(s) c/would be restored and that moderator warned and/or removed from the team.

Well it would take the mods to actually stop defending each other to death as a default stance to begin with, no ?


Interesting point of Backstage history/trivia: the decision to have not only posted Rules but a posted FAQ regarding the intended posting environment for Backstage was to prevent "rules lawyering".  An example of this would be comments like "Well, Poster A did this, so how come Poster B got moderated for doing that?"


While it is an awesome idea to have FAQ and a guide of good conduct and urban approach, the fact that it seems to overrule the rules for the mods is worrisome. Becomes an excuse for everything and very convenient answers.

Overall makes the team less and less accountable.
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Iwan Terpalen

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Re: Bitter in the hello forum
« Reply #16 on: 08 Mar 2014, 05:57 »

Yet many other things that are 'obviously a joke' get catacombed.
Things being catacombed is not actually a big deal.
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Re: Bitter in the hello forum
« Reply #17 on: 08 Mar 2014, 07:24 »

Obviously some people are making a big deal out of this because there is something else irking them. Perhaps they should discuss whatever that is in a private mail with mods. As said in the other thread, in this particular case even the offended person noted in their post that the silly pictures were posted in every single welcome thread. There was no reasonable way to interpret it as actual hate at that point.
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Re: Bitter in the hello forum
« Reply #18 on: 08 Mar 2014, 07:43 »

Yet even then, the fact that there are six of us altogether ensures that even that rare situation doesn't simply end there.  There is then discussion on the Moderators' board that everyone doesn't see.  If a situation were to happen where one moderator went rogue and catacombed something based on personal motives rather than the maintenance of the desired posting environment of the forums, the post(s) c/would be restored and that moderator warned and/or removed from the team.

Well it would take the mods to actually stop defending each other to death as a default stance to begin with, no ?
I don't think this little snipe here is genuine or in good faith, but I'll address it anyway.  Just because you might disagree with the Rules or FAQ or how they are subjectively applied by a team of volunteer mods from all walks of EVE (we barely talk to each other inside the game client, Havo's met Morwen Lagann once, Ghost Hunter I think twice? and Silver and Ciarente not even once.  Of course, used to be alliance mates with Jekaterine but no contact IC or OOC since then beyond Backstage Staff channel), that doesn't mean we're all in cahoots to defend each others' asshattery and abuse of mod privileges here on this internet spaceships forum we all volunteer our time and energy to keep up with.  It doesn't mean someone's out to get you or anyone else.

It just means that it's an internet spaceship forum with an expressly stated subjective set of guidelines with a couple of hard rules sitting on top of it and that we, as volunteers, try to keep our focus on the intent behind the rules and the posted FAQ rather than who's butthurt about what in the heat of a given moment.

The intent of the rules and posted FAQ is to protect the capacity for open discussion of topics here on Backstage from a small minority of vocal assholes driving away the rest of the community.  One guy serially making off-color jokes reflecting the theme and mood of the game itself in the reception area is really pretty inconsequential.  That's the verdict we reached months ago when it first became a topic of note and as of now that verdict hasn't changed.  General consensus (not only among the vocal minority posting here, but in the form of silence on the topic in the mod boards) seems to suggest this verdict does not need to change at this time.

Frankly, I personally can't see it needing to change at a future time.  It's a bunch of silly cartoons.  They're not racist, they're not homophobic, they're not pornographic, they're not sexist, and given the context and application in question, it's even a stretch to call them trolling or ad hominem attacks.  A faaaaar stretch.  They're harmless.
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Lyn Farel

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Re: Bitter in the hello forum
« Reply #19 on: 08 Mar 2014, 13:38 »

Oh, as far I am concerned, I hold no opinion on Vince's little sketches.
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Re: Bitter in the hello forum
« Reply #20 on: 08 Mar 2014, 20:49 »

I don't mind Vince's posts, or the mod's decision to allow it.

I just wanted to make it clear that I'm not blind to the subjectivity of it, to use the words in the FAQ. My first post in this thread made it seem like I thought nothing was amiss, so I wanted to clarify.

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Re: Bitter in the hello forum
« Reply #21 on: 08 Mar 2014, 22:33 »

So, if we act like an ass in one thread and it offends one person, we broke the rules, but if we act like an ass in an identical way in every similar thread to every person, we're just "that asshole" that everyone should HTFU and shrug off?

One death is a tragedy, but a million deaths is a statistic sort of thing?
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Re: Bitter in the hello forum
« Reply #22 on: 08 Mar 2014, 22:39 »

So, if we act like an ass in one thread and it offends one person, we broke the rules, but if we act like an ass in an identical way in every similar thread to every person, we're just "that asshole" that everyone should HTFU and shrug off?

One death is a tragedy, but a million deaths is a statistic sort of thing?
Way to miss the entirety of the fucking point, bro.
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Vikarion

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Re: Bitter in the hello forum
« Reply #23 on: 09 Mar 2014, 02:26 »

So, if we act like an ass in one thread and it offends one person, we broke the rules, but if we act like an ass in an identical way in every similar thread to every person, we're just "that asshole" that everyone should HTFU and shrug off?

One death is a tragedy, but a million deaths is a statistic sort of thing?

I think, at some point, there's a reasonable standard of what constitutes a joke. If I'd just come in, I wouldn't have thought that Vince was serious - it's obviously not. Now, while this might catch someone who doesn't recognize humor well, we can't construct rules solely on the basis of rare exceptions.
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Lyn Farel

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Re: Bitter in the hello forum
« Reply #24 on: 09 Mar 2014, 08:09 »

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Re: Bitter in the hello forum
« Reply #25 on: 10 Mar 2014, 10:43 »

Dammit Graelyn, fix RP already!
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Re: Bitter in the hello forum
« Reply #26 on: 24 Mar 2014, 06:50 »

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