Since you said it's better to post it there instead, so be it.
Sometimes this forum's rules protecting privacy of users in addition to the usual social standards are extremely frustrating. There is more going on than the case of someone making an unlikable character and then repeatedly complaining that nobody wants to RP with them to the point nobody wants to listen to it anymore, but only a handful of people can actually come out and spill the details without breaking the rules.
Then do it privately ? If I wanted to convince others of my point of view where sensible "shit" might break the rules, then I would do that instead.
The only thing you managed here was to post an inflammatory answer on the first thread in the middle of similar answers from others, and it did not even went into the detail you refer to...
What Morwen is referring to here is the rules that say we cannot discuss, for example, who reports what, who who gets reported for what by whom or when someone is warned or banned (much less why someone is warned or banned) or any of the (limited) personal details we have access to like email/ip/etc. The rules that protect user privacy, in other words, which we take very seriously. The only exceptions are when people bring those things up themselves (for example, saying 'Why was I wanred for x?' publicly, or 'I reported x why did you do anything?' when in fact they didn't.) That means we can't discuss it publicly, privately, or otherwise except among Backstage mods and Admins.
I am not sure to understand what you are trying to say... : |
Also, nice jab at me reporting people where I supposedly never sent reports. In the series of cases you are referring to, I may not have reported every time I complained, but I sure made a decent amount of reports on the mods in question over the time period. To see that you continue to deny their existence is rather disappointing. To see that nothing happened and that some mods continue to post abrasive and inflammatory answers (that get catacombed or not, seems pretty random), is also disappointing. I would like to point out that it's always the same individuals that fall into that pattern and that the rest, the majority of the mod team seem to do their job correctly.
Disclaimer : privately to involved people, like, you know, the people that do not understand or Seri's defenders, not randomly to newcomers that never asked for it...
And let's face it - it's not like Seriphyn's alone in this type of situation either. Most of us have seen others treated in a similar fashion through the years.
Yep. Had a few things like that when I was offline that got reported to me
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Not the worst of these mind you. It's just an example, i'm not going to post the worst.
Most of the time if you start a debate or don't agree with the majority, you greatly increase the chances for people to start waging a popularity war against you, constructing a whole reputation around your OOC persona that most people that do not know you personally will eventually accept as a fact.
I believe the person you are quoting here was me (though I can't verify that 100% because my HDD died a couple months ago - but it rings a bell pretty strongly and looks like my sort of turn of phrase). As a long time veteran of Eve, I am not under the illusion that anything I say in a public channel is not, in fact, public - including those occasions when I comment on other people and/or their posting here on Backstage (although it does worry me a little bit when that sort of Eve-induced borderline paranoia is vindicated.) Happily, when I am not posting here, the only rules that I have to follow are the ones that live in the venue where I am posting*. That including expressing opinions about posts and even posters here, in reference to their posts (as I am not only an Admin and mod, but a fellow Backstage user!) A thorogh search of OOC/Corp/Soundstage/etc chatlogs would no doubt reveal instances of me saying mean things about many people. I am, when not posting on Backstage, sometimes rather unkind.
All of that being said, I don't have a problem with you posting that here, since the only person insulted is you and the person who posted it is me, and as I said, as many regrettable things as I may have said in public channels, I am (generally) aware that they are public channels and I assume that their content is forever available to all and sundry; however posting quotes (even anonymized) of that nature from other users will quickly get you modded, because it is basically just trolling and baiting the person quoted for a response (particularly when you post something like this without context - although IIRC the context here probably just involves me saying something mean about someone else as well). Also, you may want to clarify what you mean by 'ammo' 'just in case'. You can contact me privately or not at all, or edit your post to clarify, or not, but my first impression on reading that is that you are saying you would publish them to discredit or embarrass people if they did something you disagreed with (that is, blackmail). If that wasn't your intent you may want to make it clear.
*Though when I say that, I mean the rules for Backstage users (because when I bitch about backstage users, it is mostly either in a very general way (someone is in the catacombs fifty times - I feel comfortable calling them in a pain in the ass in a non-Backstage venue without breaching confidentiality) or it is in my capacity as a user ([redacted]) The rules regarding, for example, discussing reports/warnings/user information/etc. stand wherever I am.
If you believe mods and admins should be compelled adhere to some certain code of behavior when interacting other places (beyond the one set of rules I've mentioned) then that is a topic for Mod discussion. Also, you will noticed I have not commented on your characterization of the quote as part of 'waging a popularity war against you'. That is because I am making this post as a matter of moderation, not to defend or discuss my personal views, expressed outside this forum. However, the temptation to do so is strong, which is why (as I've said) if you decide to post that type of quote from other users, you will very likely get moderated, just like for posting any other type of flamebait (and when I say 'you' I don't just mean Lyn, I mean anyone). I will appreciate it if you also refrain from responding to this post inside the thread - again, feel free to use mod discussion if you have questions or comments.
You don't need to feel targeted. It was not you that I quoted. It is also not trolling and baiting but just serves as an example for people that just don't want to believe what is happening in a pretty regular basis. And when they do, the only answer we get is "So what ? It's human nature ! Even mods are human !".
I see what makes you believe it was done with that intent in mind though, and I can remove it if you wish.
It was not done to blackmail either. I hold these logs proving that people can't behave not if I disagree with them. I don't see why I would release logs publicly, that were made public in the first place btw (<- the irony), just because I disagree with someone on a subject that has nothing to do with them. That sounds completely silly, but I understand that a lot of people would do it. Though it can be considered a warning for the individual in question to stop that kind of disrespectful behaviour on OOC, thinking i'm not online to read it. So yes, that's completely part of the crux of the matter discussed here !
I hold these logs as proofs to back up the reports I do on the behaviour of certain individuals when people just seem unable to believe me otherwise. I hold these logs for the exact situation that has arised here with this post where people seem unable to believe that it does not only happen with people that looked for it. That's what you can get when you get into a disagreement over a debate with someone. Just like that, ad-hominem, gratuitous public slander just because "you can". It then influences people that will inevitably read it. It will probably colour their perception of the real content of the debate and make them care for the ad-hominem instead (kindof poisoning the well with a heavy hand).
And for some other logs I have from another individual, that I haven't posted because they are a lot worse than these - and would sure be catacomb worthy - I also hold these as free ammo that was stupidly given to me to make sure that I can defend myself if such a verbal aggression shows up again in public. And before anyone tell me that I brought that upon me, the only reason I got that flak was that my RP somehow displeased the guy in question. And since then I have continuously been on the receiving hand of petty, childish OOC insults, that I took the time to keep somewhere.
So yes, that's what we are reduced to do at times, it's unfortunate, it does not make me sleep worse at night, it's certainly not something that will make me feel bad, and it's not something as bad as it is for Seri since I never really did what apparently he did to piss off people and bring that upon himself, but it still exists. Believe me, if it really got into me, I would already have done what Seri did here because it would be slowly killing me.
My apologies again if that was taken as flamebait, but you are not making it easy either.
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