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[Louella Dougans]

On the IGS, and in ingame things, there seems to be a trend lately for explosions and other violence.
People shooting at each other, exploding bombs and the like, people fitted with so much in the way of weird cybernetics such that they're like the T-101 from the first Terminator film.

meanwhile in OOC channels, people agitate about a RP venue's weapon screening technologies and so on, a place that doesn't explicitly mention in the MOTD how it has umpteen different ways to probe people before they're allowed in gets called "dangerous", and "not worth going to"

But... everyone has soft clones, (or mentions them to people that haven't heard of the idea before), so all the exploding has no significant permanent effect on any of the persons present. It's not like the chat channel even costs any isk to repair either ?

I don't understand what the goals of this kind of thing are, what people gain from it, or why it seems to be a trend over the past couple months.

 

[Horatius Caul]

*Still believes that forums are actually forums and chat channels are actually chat channels*

[Kyoko Sakoda]

There are two things I've learned about humanity from the Internet:

1) Everyone wants to be the opposite sex
2) Everyone wants to blow everyone else up

This isn't a bad summary of the human condition, either.

[Anslol]

I'm glad it's happening. It beats the endless debate about human nature and politics in the Summit or endless bar talks that go in circles again and again. Exciting things happen and a new story appears. Players are FINALLY breaking out and making their own arcs instead of being worried that other RP'ers might say 'lolno that didn't happen, capsuleer dementia LOLOLOL.'

Hell Anslo's already been involved in one situation that's PERFECT for him, and I hope he gets pulled into more combat situations outside of his pod. It breaks the tedium and reminds me why I even bothered RPing and starting Anslo's background story at ALL.

EXCITING TIEMS! 

[Silas Vitalia]

I haven't kept tabs on many of these, but I suppose it would matter only

a) how consensual with RP participants the explody-ness and death-dealing are

b) how believable these things are in general.  Bombs going off in high-sec stations would likely be extremely rare, and not something that happens at every player gathering perhaps?

c) I've always felt particularly 'meh' about overly weaponized / cyberized capsuleers.  Ridiculously expensive Head implants, yes.   Walking terminators who are -also- capsuleers... not so much.  It doesn't make much sense with the often occurring clone deaths to do that sort of thing.  We've got people for that kind of activity?

[Katrina Oniseki]

1.) Bombs, grenades, and other explosions are usually lethal to people in an enclosed environment for many reasons. Setting off a bomb inside a bar is literally god-modding everybody there into a soft clone (or permadeath if they opt not to use soft-clones in their RP). That's considered very rude in my playbook.

2.) Soft clones and cybernetic augmentations are, in most cases I've seen, just plot-armor to protect against other kinds of godmodding and a bit of flavor. I have a few friends who have heavily augmented clones, but they never use them as anything more than lighting a cig with their fingertip or picking up all of Kat's 10 bags of luggage with one arm.

Just my two cents.

[lallara zhuul]

I once wrote a piece about Lallikins being awesome and kicking seven kinds of living shit out of a Brutor commando attack on a PIE office that she was in.

On the Neuromancer forum people were kind enough to tell me as it is and I realized that that piece of fiction was nothing short of masturbation for the sake of masturbation.

So I learned from that flight of folly and concentrated on more interesting things.

[Vincent Pryce]

Want to play pumped up cyber commando who kicks and chews bubblegum? Cool, more the power to you. Dust is that way ->

[Silas Vitalia]

Want to play pumped up cyber commando who kicks and chews bubblegum? Cool, more the power to you. Dust is that way ->

+1

[Anslol]

1.) Bombs, grenades, and other explosions are usually lethal to people in an enclosed environment for many reasons. Setting off a bomb inside a bar is literally god-modding everybody there into a soft clone (or permadeath if they opt not to use soft-clones in their RP). That's considered very rude in my playbook.

2.) Soft clones and cybernetic augmentations are, in most cases I've seen, just plot-armor to protect against other kinds of godmodding and a bit of flavor. I have a few friends who have heavily augmented clones, but they never use them as anything more than lighting a cig with their fingertip or picking up all of Kat's 10 bags of luggage with one arm.

Just my two cents.

+1. If everyone is in on it and it's a planned arc to further to characters' background and storyline, I don't see it as a problem. But the minute you go hurfhurf i bomb all joo now joo all dedlololol, then there's a problem.

Augmentations and violent events or surprises to me are the lifeblood of RP. What happened with Kat got my blood pumping for the first time in a while and I'm STILL waiting for something further to come of it. Planned actiony stories like that are just fun, like jumping into the novel as a character.

[Morwen Lagann]

On the IGS, and in ingame things, there seems to be a trend lately for explosions and other violence.
People shooting at each other, exploding bombs and the like, people fitted with so much in the way of weird cybernetics such that they're like the T-101 from the first Terminator film.

meanwhile in OOC channels, people agitate about a RP venue's weapon screening technologies and so on, a place that doesn't explicitly mention in the MOTD how it has umpteen different ways to probe people before they're allowed in gets called "dangerous", and "not worth going to"

But... everyone has soft clones, (or mentions them to people that haven't heard of the idea before), so all the exploding has no significant permanent effect on any of the persons present. It's not like the chat channel even costs any isk to repair either ?

I don't understand what the goals of this kind of thing are, what people gain from it, or why it seems to be a trend over the past couple months.

 

Hi. As the person who instigated the discussion referenced in your second paragraph, it needs to be pointed out that what you've written is a complete misrepresentation of the argument I was making in OOC on Sunday. I might even call it a straw-man, considering how far off the mark it is.

Ignoring for a moment the fact that I wasn't able to attend the event anyway due to RL commitments regardless of my view on the security policy, allow me to go through my original (and actual) argument bit by bit.

It was stated that the security policy at the establishment in question was "turn in all obvious weaponry" (read: visible), but anything concealed would be allowed and that security staff inside the establishment would deal with troublemakers as necessary. The problem with that is that it makes the security staff a reactionary force, when the whole point of security is to prevent violence and safety issues. What it means is that they can't prevent some twatwaffle from walking up to someone else and stabbing them with a knife they had hidden in their boot. Sure, they can throw the offending person out afterward, but where's that leave the victim? All you can do is claim "they godmoded" and hope people agree to strike the offending posts from the record. Not everyone will.

This results in the creation of a fundamentally unsafe bubble of space (the establishment) within what is supposed to be an entirely safe environment (the station). TBL touches on this, as do some ingame items - the vast majority of small arms are banned/prohibited on stations with the exception of models that are remotely deactivated by the station's systems. Which pretty much leaves illegal firearms, bladed weapons, and bioweapons. I'm kinda struggling to think of a reason why this stuff would not be possible to scan for in EVE.

See where I'm going with this? There's no rational excuse for not having something as simple as a body scanner to detect these items except sheer laziness or a complete disregard for customer safety on the owner's part. It's a little on the silly side to go through the whole show of handing over shit to security, and then getting killed because security was too lax/lazy to check for a knife hidden in a boot, or some person with nanite bombs in their tits.

Now add into the mix that there would have been multiple people present who have been known in the past to god-mode or incite ridiculous amounts of drama with violence, or people who simply are people who would've been avoided anyway? (For the record, this alone is usually enough for Morwen in particular to go "lolnope" to going somewhere even if she considers the security sufficient. The original discussion in OOC had the established assumption that there were no other obstacles to one's attendance except security.)

As for soft-clones, I'm sorry, but no. Losing your memory for however many days is not "not a significant permanent effect".

Regarding the general outbreak of violence and explosions, meh. I don't care for it personally and don't find it necessary for plot in the vast majority of cases (if I want things to explode, I could just undock, after all); but as I seem to be avoiding hanging out around the places/people it seems to happen near, it doesn't affect me much aside from a slowly-deepening palm-shaped dent in my face and whatever fallout happens in the Summit.

Kat has summed up the general issue nicely.

[Saede Riordan]

1.) Bombs, grenades, and other explosions are usually lethal to people in an enclosed environment for many reasons. Setting off a bomb inside a bar is literally god-modding everybody there into a soft clone (or permadeath if they opt not to use soft-clones in their RP). That's considered very rude in my playbook.

2.) Soft clones and cybernetic augmentations are, in most cases I've seen, just plot-armor to protect against other kinds of godmodding and a bit of flavor. I have a few friends who have heavily augmented clones, but they never use them as anything more than lighting a cig with their fingertip or picking up all of Kat's 10 bags of luggage with one arm.

Just my two cents.

This.

[Tiberious Thessalonia]

1.) Bombs, grenades, and other explosions are usually lethal to people in an enclosed environment for many reasons. Setting off a bomb inside a bar is literally god-modding everybody there into a soft clone (or permadeath if they opt not to use soft-clones in their RP). That's considered very rude in my playbook.

2.) Soft clones and cybernetic augmentations are, in most cases I've seen, just plot-armor to protect against other kinds of godmodding and a bit of flavor. I have a few friends who have heavily augmented clones, but they never use them as anything more than lighting a cig with their fingertip or picking up all of Kat's 10 bags of luggage with one arm.

Just my two cents.

This.

That.

[Safai]

1.) Bombs, grenades, and other explosions are usually lethal to people in an enclosed environment for many reasons. Setting off a bomb inside a bar is literally god-modding everybody there into a soft clone (or permadeath if they opt not to use soft-clones in their RP). That's considered very rude in my playbook.

2.) Soft clones and cybernetic augmentations are, in most cases I've seen, just plot-armor to protect against other kinds of godmodding and a bit of flavor. I have a few friends who have heavily augmented clones, but they never use them as anything more than lighting a cig with their fingertip or picking up all of Kat's 10 bags of luggage with one arm.

Just my two cents.

This.

That.

+1 the aforementioned very much.

[Louella Dougans]

As for soft-clones, I'm sorry, but no. Losing your memory for however many days is not "not a significant permanent effect".

Player A explodes, "killing" player B. Player B's soft clone loses only the memories that Player B wishes to.

I don't see how that is a significant permanent effect, it's entirely up to player B.