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Ciarente

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Re: I don't understand this recent trend in RP
« Reply #30 on: 27 Feb 2013, 21:47 »


Yeeeeeah. I'm not sure what can be done other then simply avoiding the topic in public RP, at this point.

I've found a little bit of selective deafness on my character's part goes a long way.
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Re: I don't understand this recent trend in RP
« Reply #31 on: 27 Feb 2013, 23:45 »

This is why I generally avoid out-of-pod roleplay these days (barring huge events like Silas's party where I trust people not to have hopped into their "special" clone made of explodium). CCP jumps back and forth as to whether or not soft-clones exist, which is odd considering the grimdark universe they've made; people will kill each other in even the most random places, so wouldn't some set-in-stone lore about what happens to people who are killed out of pod be useful?

As for all the bars exploding, I really don't know. I see some of the same names popping up when things explode, so perhaps that's just an aspect of those characters and their roleplay?
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Re: I don't understand this recent trend in RP
« Reply #32 on: 27 Feb 2013, 23:51 »

On the IGS, and in ingame things, there seems to be a trend lately for explosions and other violence.
People shooting at each other, exploding bombs and the like, people fitted with so much in the way of weird cybernetics such that they're like the T-101 from the first Terminator film.

meanwhile in OOC channels, people agitate about a RP venue's weapon screening technologies and so on, a place that doesn't explicitly mention in the MOTD how it has umpteen different ways to probe people before they're allowed in gets called "dangerous", and "not worth going to"

But... everyone has soft clones, (or mentions them to people that haven't heard of the idea before), so all the exploding has no significant permanent effect on any of the persons present. It's not like the chat channel even costs any isk to repair either ?

I don't understand what the goals of this kind of thing are, what people gain from it, or why it seems to be a trend over the past couple months.

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The goal, if one can call it that, is for the player to feel like they are in control in any environment. Capsule pilots are only immortal in a pod? Make soft clone backups to prevent death out of pod. Get into a nasty barfight you can't explain your way out of? Good thing you have those cybernetic enhancements to keep you from death. War is pointless cause you can't kill your enemy for good? Claim you have special ways to kill lots of capsule pilots out of pod.

The problem I have with this sort of behavior is twofold.

First, roleplay interaction beyond game mechanics requires a measure of trust and cooperation between players in order for a decent story to develop. It's the difference between Bill leans forward and takes a mighty swing at Jack and Bill punches Jack in the face and Jack falls on his ass like an idiot. When players step into a roleplay situation where they're attempting to win rather than have a great experience, they create situations where they'll never look bad, never lose, and will always attempt to stretch the rules to avoid negative consequences.

Secondly, in my eyes, roleplay should be an extension and/or enhancement of the existing game structure. My goal for roleplaying in EVE beyond having fun is to enhance my experience through immersion, not to create an entirely different scenario unrelated with what my character does in space. I'll go to parties, mingle, and bullshit with other characters because it builds relationships that may determine the course my character takes in the future. I don't roleplay to pretend I'm a secret agent, a baseliner, criminal investigator, a slaver hound, or play a role that will ultimately have no impact on my game.

So ultimately, I feel that while players often agree that character flaws and failure are good for story building and growth, seldom few are really comfortable with losing. Actual character development takes a sideline as players attempt to win in the chatroom rather than space, and competition spoils any cooperative effort in roleplay. I think it's a shame, personally.
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Re: I don't understand this recent trend in RP
« Reply #33 on: 28 Feb 2013, 01:39 »

Oh yay. Does that mean that my character can be a Space Marine?

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Re: I don't understand this recent trend in RP
« Reply #34 on: 28 Feb 2013, 02:12 »

If soft cloning is present in New Eden, each and every canon character is soft cloned and cannot be killed, ever.
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Re: I don't understand this recent trend in RP
« Reply #35 on: 28 Feb 2013, 02:53 »

The old PF on soft-cloning specified it was controversial and considered by many to be 'just a copy' rather than the original person, and thus with limited take-up.

"far more people consider these sorts of clones to be copies and not the original person, though the techniques involved in both methods are quite similar, being differentiated primarily by the speed of the neural scanner. This factor leads to backup-clones being far less widespread than capsuleer clones, even though they are available to a wider portion of the population."

In fact, Cia doesn't have a soft-clone for precisely that reason.  I don't have any difficulty in believing that canon characters' opinions would vary, nor that there might be more conditions that impede cloning than the ones we know about from PF.

And, of course, cloning doesn't always work, as the message we all get when someone in our corp biomasses reminds us.
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Re: I don't understand this recent trend in RP
« Reply #36 on: 28 Feb 2013, 04:11 »

Since I'm not going to Biomass Pieter because some unexpected stuff happens during RP and he gets killed, I went with having a softclone.

Not that he's actually been killed during an RP event - but the odds are that it might happen eventually. It's either Soft Clone or portable handwavium generators.
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Re: I don't understand this recent trend in RP
« Reply #37 on: 28 Feb 2013, 08:48 »

Since I'm not going to Biomass Pieter because some unexpected stuff happens during RP and he gets killed, I went with having a softclone.

Not that he's actually been killed during an RP event - but the odds are that it might happen eventually. It's either Soft Clone or portable handwavium generators.

Your character should only "die" if and when YOU want it to happen. Ava doesnt have a soft clone, and that's well known. If someone runs into a bar and goes "HAHAHA EXPLODIUM CLONE" and blows themselves up, "killing Ava" in the process through Godmoddery, guess what I am going to ignore utterly, and who's character im going to block and ask to be banned from that (and all other) RP channels?

I love Ava. She's mortal, so she DOESNT ACT LIKE AN ASS outside of pod. I dont have a problem with people who are walking Terminators. The problem arises when they decide their explodium overrides my RP. Ava's fights happen in space. The KB proves that. She has been in exactly two IC fights, both of which she lost. They were both a lot of fun, and neither involved godmodding.

RP isnt about "what" you do, as much as with "who".
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Re: I don't understand this recent trend in RP
« Reply #38 on: 28 Feb 2013, 08:50 »

Since I'm not going to Biomass Pieter because some unexpected stuff happens during RP and he gets killed, I went with having a softclone.

Not that he's actually been killed during an RP event - but the odds are that it might happen eventually. It's either Soft Clone or portable handwavium generators.

Speaking personally, my character also does not use a soft clone, but I am not going to biomass if some 'unexpected stuff happens' because that will land squarely in the realm of godmodding. So I choose to bring my portable handwavium generator (It's in the shape of a big middle finger ;) )

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Re: I don't understand this recent trend in RP
« Reply #39 on: 28 Feb 2013, 08:58 »

Since I'm not going to Biomass Pieter because some unexpected stuff happens during RP and he gets killed, I went with having a softclone.

Not that he's actually been killed during an RP event - but the odds are that it might happen eventually. It's either Soft Clone or portable handwavium generators.

Your character should only "die" if and when YOU want it to happen. Ava doesnt have a soft clone, and that's well known. If someone runs into a bar and goes "HAHAHA EXPLODIUM CLONE" and blows themselves up, "killing Ava" in the process through Godmoddery, guess what I am going to ignore utterly, and who's character im going to block and ask to be banned from that (and all other) RP channels?

I love Ava. She's mortal, so she DOESNT ACT LIKE AN ASS outside of pod. I dont have a problem with people who are walking Terminators. The problem arises when they decide their explodium overrides my RP. Ava's fights happen in space. The KB proves that. She has been in exactly two IC fights, both of which she lost. They were both a lot of fun, and neither involved godmodding.

RP isnt about "what" you do, as much as with "who".

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Re: I don't understand this recent trend in RP
« Reply #40 on: 28 Feb 2013, 09:03 »

It's just another reason why I try to use in-game metrics to steer my RP, not the other way around.

If someone has the means, methods, ability, and resources to effect me in game I treat them appropriately. If they do not then I treat them in a different way.  None is better or worse but I like to use the 'in game' tools for these purposes.

You blew up my ship. You podded me. You convinced someone to bounty me. You convinced my social peers to stop talking to me or exclude me from an event, etc etc etc.   These are things I can relate to IC.

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Re: I don't understand this recent trend in RP
« Reply #41 on: 28 Feb 2013, 09:19 »

Since I'm not going to Biomass Pieter because some unexpected stuff happens during RP and he gets killed, I went with having a softclone.

Not that he's actually been killed during an RP event - but the odds are that it might happen eventually. It's either Soft Clone or portable handwavium generators.

Your character should only "die" if and when YOU want it to happen. Ava doesnt have a soft clone, and that's well known. If someone runs into a bar and goes "HAHAHA EXPLODIUM CLONE" and blows themselves up, "killing Ava" in the process through Godmoddery, guess what I am going to ignore utterly, and who's character im going to block and ask to be banned from that (and all other) RP channels?

I love Ava. She's mortal, so she DOESNT ACT LIKE AN ASS outside of pod. I dont have a problem with people who are walking Terminators. The problem arises when they decide their explodium overrides my RP. Ava's fights happen in space. The KB proves that. She has been in exactly two IC fights, both of which she lost. They were both a lot of fun, and neither involved godmodding.

RP isnt about "what" you do, as much as with "who".

Actually, I'd say it's more about the "how" you do it.
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Re: I don't understand this recent trend in RP
« Reply #42 on: 28 Feb 2013, 11:53 »

she DOESNT ACT LIKE AN ASS outside of pod.

see, this is what I mean. Why is there a trend towards places having to explicitly lay out their security doodads, instead of what other channels do, which is to simply say "don't be an ass" ?
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Re: I don't understand this recent trend in RP
« Reply #43 on: 28 Feb 2013, 12:19 »

she DOESNT ACT LIKE AN ASS outside of pod.

see, this is what I mean. Why is there a trend towards places having to explicitly lay out their security doodads, instead of what other channels do, which is to simply say "don't be an ass" ?

Because a person can be smart and not be an ass. People are one stupid collective ass.
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Re: I don't understand this recent trend in RP
« Reply #44 on: 28 Feb 2013, 13:57 »

she DOESNT ACT LIKE AN ASS outside of pod.

see, this is what I mean. Why is there a trend towards places having to explicitly lay out their security doodads, instead of what other channels do, which is to simply say "don't be an ass" ?

There's always one person willing to deploy a laser chaingun from their chest. If the rules don't explicitly state why it couldn't happen, someone will try it eventually.

I RP Saede as having a small laser built into one of her forearms. It has enough charge for 3 shots. I've never used it IC, and wouldn't without discussing it with other people beforehand. But there's always one person willing to see just how much they can get away with.
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