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Cmdr Baxter

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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #15 on: 12 Apr 2011, 14:45 »

The numbers make sense but the racial adjustment figures don't, in my opinion.

A Raven-class battleship is 730m long according to the ship charts, and the base numbers say it probably has a crew of 4000-8000. By comparison, a modern-day Nimitz class aircraft carrier is 332m long (overall; not waterline) and carries a crew of about 6500 (including airwing). Obviously there's a world of difference in technology, but a simple raw comparison suggests that at least CCP is in the ballpark.

What doesn't make sense is the upward scaling for the Caldari. This is a very high tech society and the trend extends into the description of the Scorpion-class battleship, noting that it is "crammed to the brink with sophisticated hi-tech equipment that few can match." They also have population limitations, being so much smaller than the other Empires that cloning was a viable option for some time (how long isn't defined) in order to quickly boost the population.
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #16 on: 12 Apr 2011, 14:56 »

If you made the Caldari +0% and the Gallente -5% (for their history of automation and drones) would that make you feel better?

Drones and Automation are the Gallente schtick. Them having the lowest crew requirements seems completely reasonable to me.
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #17 on: 12 Apr 2011, 15:14 »

So, what is this all about exactly, gameplay wise ? What will it add, except roleplay ? How would it work ?
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #18 on: 12 Apr 2011, 15:16 »

Mainly, it just shuts up the deniers.

Which I suppose I support.
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #19 on: 12 Apr 2011, 15:22 »

Oh yes true. Good stuff.
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #20 on: 12 Apr 2011, 15:47 »

WHile I'm not surprised by the smaller Amarr crew modifier (I don't believe there's actually any proof behind the "wastefull slave labor aboard ships" thing), both the Caldari and Minmatar ship modifiers surprise me.

While the former could be at least partially explained as being caused by a higher density of interactive systems in the hull (the Amarr and Gallente bother burn large volumes of hull on thick armor plating; the Amarr may have large, luxurious quarters for higher officers, the Gallente may be spending room on internal drone storage and automation systems, etc...). Furthermore, I'm fairly sure the Caldari Navy has been described at times as the smallest, if the highest-tech navy, so having high concentrations of crew aboard extremely valuable ships isn't such a strategically poor choice.

Minmatar hulls, on the other hand, are often obviously smaller than their counterparts in other races in terms of internal volume (compare, say, the largely "empty" structure of the Breacher hull to that of the relatively large Kestrel or Tristan hulls), nor would they have the hugely complex (and thus oversight-demanding) resources of the Caldari, so I'm not sure why they need so many crew. Perhaps they lack even basic automation features the Amarr and Caldari have instituted, let alone the advanced drone systems of the Gallente?
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #21 on: 12 Apr 2011, 16:20 »

There shouldn't be any racial modifiers to crew sizes.
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #22 on: 12 Apr 2011, 16:24 »

Wait! Ships in Eve have crew?




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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #23 on: 12 Apr 2011, 18:51 »

Wait! Ships in Eve have crew?
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #24 on: 12 Apr 2011, 18:59 »

Wait! Ships in Eve have crew?
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #25 on: 12 Apr 2011, 19:25 »

So The Caldari have a larger crew on their ships then the Amarr...what.

TonyG + Caldari= The exact opposite of previous PF
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #26 on: 12 Apr 2011, 21:13 »

So The Caldari have a larger crew on their ships then the Amarr...what.

TonyG + Caldari= The exact opposite of previous PF

I now understand why so many people have an issue with him.
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #27 on: 12 Apr 2011, 21:16 »

If you made the Caldari +0% and the Gallente -5% (for their history of automation and drones) would that make you feel better?

Drones and Automation are the Gallente schtick. Them having the lowest crew requirements seems completely reasonable to me.

Automation on Gallente ships is a bonus. On Caldari ships it's a requirement. Low numbers of population plus extreme high tech, remember?
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #28 on: 12 Apr 2011, 21:35 »

Automation on Gallente ships is a bonus. On Caldari ships it's a requirement. Low numbers of population plus extreme high tech, remember?

My complete lack of awareness about things Caldari bites again, but isn't that why they invented tube-kids so they could get around the lack of population?
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #29 on: 13 Apr 2011, 00:26 »

Automation on Gallente ships is a bonus. On Caldari ships it's a requirement. Low numbers of population plus extreme high tech, remember?

My complete lack of awareness about things Caldari bites again, but isn't that why they invented tube-kids so they could get around the lack of population?

It hasn't fully put them to scale with the Minmatar or Gallente, is my impression. They are better than they would be, but are still behind.

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