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Louella Dougans

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Re: [Chronicle] Jita 4-4 AKA Best chron ever
« Reply #30 on: 11 Sep 2010, 04:23 »

There is, in PF, one example of things that I am aware of.

[spoiler]In the Amarr Epic arc, Sansha-branch.[/spoiler] There is a stored brain pattern that is required for a plot.

It is from someone executed by brain-scanner using the same technology as the capsule. The purpose was to execute the person while retaining their personality for study by criminologists and psychologists.

Anyway, the pattern being stored, means it could be copied, and implemented again and again, yes/no?
Also allows for interesting possibilities regarding rehabilitation of criminals.

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Re: [Chronicle] Jita 4-4 AKA Best chron ever
« Reply #31 on: 11 Sep 2010, 07:47 »

Also, the Zainou biotech dude uploaded his brain to a computer, right?
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« Reply #32 on: 11 Sep 2010, 09:04 »

Also, the Zainou biotech dude uploaded his brain to a computer, right?
Yep.
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Re: [Chronicle] Jita 4-4 AKA Best chron ever
« Reply #33 on: 11 Sep 2010, 09:27 »

Yes, but I thought that was by a totally different set of processes compared to the capsule?
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Re: [Chronicle] Jita 4-4 AKA Best chron ever
« Reply #34 on: 13 Sep 2010, 00:47 »

Yes, but I thought that was by a totally different set of processes compared to the capsule?

Don't think it has ever been explored at all, which is a shame.

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« Reply #35 on: 10 Oct 2010, 20:32 »

Maybe I read into this differently from everyone else, but I intensely disliked Jita 4-4.  Really, I find the "capsuleers are arrested or shot on sight" thing to completely break my QER.  I just can't believe it.  I think it's bad storytelling.

If capsuleers are such dangerous loose cannons, why does the rest of the galaxy put up with them?  I mean, there are violent upheavals and revolutions in this galaxy over less.  The Intaki are up in arms just because they don't like federal bureacracy, so it is really hard to believe people aren't doing anything about the capsuleers (if they're really this bad).

And if being a capsuleer leads to being some cruel, aloof demigod, why do governments keep investing in them?  Given how feared, hated, and most of all expensive capsuleers are, one would think the empires would simply try and eliminate them all or at least stop making more.

I can see eggers being some scary, alien "caste," but arrested?  Shot?  That shows a level of hostility not shown anywhere else in the game world.  I mean, if they'd shoot me for getting food in a Jita food court, why don't they shoot me when I'm 1v1ing outside the station, possibly killing thousands?  The disparity here doesn't make sense.
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Re: [Chronicle] Jita 4-4 AKA Best chron ever
« Reply #36 on: 10 Oct 2010, 20:45 »

I can see eggers being some scary, alien "caste," but arrested?  Shot?  That shows a level of hostility not shown anywhere else in the game world.  I mean, if they'd shoot me for getting food in a Jita food court, why don't they shoot me when I'm pew pewing outside the station, possibly killing thousands?  The disparity here doesn't make sense.

Well, it's a lot easier to shoot a capsuleer when he's not going all elite demigod on your fleet's pathetic ass.  Plus, out of pod, he's dead-dead, not just annoyed.  Perhaps more relevantly, this particular capsuleer lacks an ID badge that everyone is supposed to have.  He's pretending to be a baseline and hasn't, I think, announced his presence officially.  I think the gist is that, if you're a capsuleer and you're somewhere you're not supposed to be and they find out, then Jita 4-4's policy is just to ice you, because it's easier and less painful in the long run.  I'm not sure this policy should be generalized to include all capsuleers in all places.
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Re: [Chronicle] Jita 4-4 AKA Best chron ever
« Reply #37 on: 10 Oct 2010, 20:49 »

I'm not sure this policy should be generalized to include all capsuleers in all places.

I should have thought of this....
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Re: [Chronicle] Jita 4-4 AKA Best chron ever
« Reply #38 on: 10 Oct 2010, 20:55 »

I can see eggers being some scary, alien "caste," but arrested?  Shot?  That shows a level of hostility not shown anywhere else in the game world.  I mean, if they'd shoot me for getting food in a Jita food court, why don't they shoot me when I'm pew pewing outside the station, possibly killing thousands?  The disparity here doesn't make sense.

 Plus, out of pod, he's dead-dead, not just annoyed. 


not so sure, there seem to be bits that imply this isn't the case from the chronicle, although I'm not sure, it seems to both argue for and against softclones at the same time.
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Re: [Chronicle] Jita 4-4 AKA Best chron ever
« Reply #39 on: 10 Oct 2010, 21:21 »

And if being a capsuleer leads to being some cruel, aloof demigod, why do governments keep investing in them?  Given how feared, hated, and most of all expensive capsuleers are, one would think the empires would simply try and eliminate them all or at least stop making more.

I can see eggers being some scary, alien "caste," but arrested?  Shot?  That shows a level of hostility not shown anywhere else in the game world.  I mean, if they'd shoot me for getting food in a Jita food court, why don't they shoot me when I'm 1v1ing outside the station, possibly killing thousands?  The disparity here doesn't make sense.
This could be an unfolding development. I mean, capsuleers weren't around before seven years ago, outside of NPCs that existed in the canon. The Eve cluster has had seven years of our predations to suffer since the game went live, so speaking storywise they could simply be growing sick of us. A lot of those baseline people could be itching for a crack at revenge upon a capsuleer, plotting to catch him out of pod.
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Re: [Chronicle] Jita 4-4 AKA Best chron ever
« Reply #40 on: 10 Oct 2010, 22:02 »

Where's Aria Jenneth and the Exodus Project when we need them?
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« Reply #41 on: 10 Oct 2010, 22:48 »

A lot of those baseline people could be itching for a crack at revenge upon a capsuleer, plotting to catch him out of pod.
Which could be an interesting short story.  I am picturing a crime scene and a capsuleer drowned in a public toilet.

Along those lines, when I have portrayed my characters as being out-of-pod, they are surrounded by a security detail.  Granted personal protection is not the only reason for a LDPS security team to be escorting Dex when he isn't in pod.
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Re: [Chronicle] Jita 4-4 AKA Best chron ever
« Reply #42 on: 14 Oct 2010, 15:23 »

Yes, but I thought that was by a totally different set of processes compared to the capsule?

Don't think it has ever been explored at all, which is a shame.

You could argue that Zainou's research interests have in fact been explored, just not in a very overt way. Consider Hilen Tukoss.

Who does he work for? Zainou.

Why did they have him following a CreoDron physicist into Sleeper space? That little-known sentence about minds into machines could be the beginning of the answer there.
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Re: [Chronicle] Jita 4-4 AKA Best chron ever
« Reply #43 on: 14 Oct 2010, 15:49 »

Along those lines, when I have portrayed my characters as being out-of-pod, they are surrounded by a security detail.

I typically do this as well, at least once I got past some of the over-the-top capabilities I first imagined.
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