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Repentence Tyrathlion

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Re: Should Shin drop her obsession on Colelie?
« Reply #15 on: 04 Aug 2013, 02:18 »

The latest CCP article about the SDII dragging off a Brutor for killing people in self defence is only tangentially related to Colelie or the Bloody Hands. But immediately it becomes a forum for those topics. WTB some characters who are as up in arms about threats against freedoms.

Would love to, but Reppy doesn't give a damn.  Not her country, and shit like that happens all the time at home. :P
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Re: Should Shin drop her obsession on Colelie?
« Reply #16 on: 04 Aug 2013, 03:19 »

Think about what would happen if the US invaded Russia, sank a chunk of the Black Sea fleet and lost the Pacific Fleet trying to repatriate Snowden.

Think about how America's enemies and allies would react.

Now imagine that Snowden was in England, not Russia.  And the U.S. did the same thing.

The developers pretty much explicitly stated that the pace of the news was going to slow down, which is fine.  What isn't fine is an obvious lack of planning ahead.  This isn't a "slow simmer" kind of story.  It's a flashpoint, and they should have had the whole news series written out from beginning to end before posting the first news article.  That way, they could post on a timetable dictated by the needs of the story, rather than "Oh shit, everyone's either on vacation or working with the CSM on the re-balancing, no one can finish writing this right now."  I'm fine with stories coming in at a lower rate than before, as long as they don't jack up the timing like they did with Colelie.

So, in other words Shin, no, keep it going.   :D  If Galen cared, he'd be all over it, but he's not heavily involved in empire politics these days.  Keep it up, and eventually the developers will finish the arc.  One day...
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Re: Should Shin drop her obsession on Colelie?
« Reply #17 on: 04 Aug 2013, 10:50 »

The latest CCP article about the SDII dragging off a Brutor for killing people in self defence is only tangentially related to Colelie or the Bloody Hands. But immediately it becomes a forum for those topics. WTB some characters who are as up in arms about threats against freedoms.
Would love to, but Reppy doesn't give a damn.  Not her country, and shit like that happens all the time at home. :P
I thought freedom was just a synonym for 'filthy Gallente perversions.' Was I wrong?
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Re: Should Shin drop her obsession on Colelie?
« Reply #18 on: 04 Aug 2013, 11:04 »

The whole arc has made Ava essentially unplayable for me, at least in anything other than very ocassional RP. The IGS is now just utterly pointless, anything I say on there will just invite an avalanche of ridiculous OTT reprisal. In game RP is somewhat better, but if we go any deeper than fluff "Hello how are you?" it has a tendency to similarly degenerate. Also... come on, we are coming up on three months and NO statement from either side? What gives?

Im glad you're having fun. Wish I could too.

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Re: Should Shin drop her obsession on Colelie?
« Reply #19 on: 04 Aug 2013, 11:11 »

Would it change that if Shin were no longer harping on the subject? I have one possible way that could happen, but it would require the assistance of someone from your side. It's a bit... extreme, too.

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Re: Should Shin drop her obsession on Colelie?
« Reply #20 on: 04 Aug 2013, 13:19 »

I don't think Shin is the generator of the problem.
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Re: Should Shin drop her obsession on Colelie?
« Reply #21 on: 04 Aug 2013, 13:55 »

I'm going to give the IC=OOC crowd some credibility, by noting that everyone who has voiced pro "keep on flying the flag for colelie" opinions are either players of characters who support that position, or don't care but are anti-minmatar. *tinfoil*
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Whatever gave you that idea?

I have no particular liking for having the faction I fly for act like morons. But if someone is playing true to their character and is still getting something out of doing what they are doing then who am I to tell them to do otherwise?
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Re: Should Shin drop her obsession on Colelie?
« Reply #22 on: 04 Aug 2013, 18:05 »

Just my opinion here, but while the whole 'bad things happened' part of Shin's anger seems totally understandable... the link between 'we were attacked' and 'dissolve the alliance keeping the amarrian and caldari alliance at bay' especially under the current threat from house Sarum of beginning another reclaiming does seem a little overly extreme.

she keeps using individual analogies... in this case it seems the best response, and one that i believe Verin used is that old friends sometimes have somewhat violent fights when drunk or emotional, but when things calm down, they simply forget about it and carry on.
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Re: Should Shin drop her obsession on Colelie?
« Reply #23 on: 04 Aug 2013, 21:04 »

I was about to type out a reply to this, when I realized that the best response is to simply say "Come grab Shin and we'll debate it over a drink". :D

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Re: Should Shin drop her obsession on Colelie?
« Reply #24 on: 05 Aug 2013, 08:16 »

[...] not having anything new to chew on.

You were saying? :3

I was saying. It's a good opportunity to run with this in a way that doesn't rehash the Colelie argument because it's about more basic coexistence than the formal alliance. Okazon is indeed going to be getting shouty again.
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Re: Should Shin drop her obsession on Colelie?
« Reply #25 on: 05 Aug 2013, 09:15 »

[...] especially under the current threat from house Sarum of beginning another reclaiming does seem a little overly extreme.

Last time I checked the Sarum Prime system was swarming with Sarumite ships already... not.
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Re: Should Shin drop her obsession on Colelie?
« Reply #26 on: 06 Aug 2013, 05:58 »

Would it change that if Shin were no longer harping on the subject? I have one possible way that could happen, but it would require the assistance of someone from your side. It's a bit... extreme, too.

Youre not the generator of the issue. Do you take part? Yes, but so does literally everyone else, including several people Ava considers very good friends. The whole arc is just ridiculous, and the player fallout and response doubly so.
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Re: Should Shin drop her obsession on Colelie?
« Reply #27 on: 06 Aug 2013, 08:07 »

[...] especially under the current threat from house Sarum of beginning another reclaiming does seem a little overly extreme.

Last time I checked the Sarum Prime system was swarming with Sarumite ships already... not.

They have, according to CCP mandated news, called for a new reclaiming and stated that they are forming a taskforce to do just that.

'i can't find it in game' doesn't mean a thing really. The threat has been made.. which is exactly what i stated.
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Re: Should Shin drop her obsession on Colelie?
« Reply #28 on: 06 Aug 2013, 09:05 »

You mean this?

To the topic at hand anyway. I voted no. I'll not go into the storyline. It is what it is. But you've got Shin rolling with it and I am honestly surprised more fed loyalists aren't kicking up a stink about it. To each their own though.
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Re: Should Shin drop her obsession on Colelie?
« Reply #29 on: 06 Aug 2013, 09:22 »

I'm not actually vote for a couple of reasons:
  • On one hand, there has been some good debates/points made and it is something important to your character, so keep on it
  • On the flip side, as terrible as the event was, Steff is really of the opinion that 'harping' on the subject is preventing any meaningful progression for either side forward from the events
Now, as a player, if something strikes you as being important to your character, I'm not going to tell you otherwise. It's your character, grab that ball and run with it. I like what I see, even if I have gotten tired of the "I'm right, you're wrong" tone the arguments have taken as time has progressed.  I'm just as guilty of the attitude myself, but sometimes I wonder if we do allow our characters the ability to compromise or even admit when they are wrong?  Just my observation based on some of the arguments I've seen and at the end of the day, I want to see people having fun, but a part of me would like to see some characters being a little less 'rigid' and grow through seeing that maybe they were wrong on something.  Of course, two sides to every story arguments can be made why someone sees their actions/side as being right.

My biggest issue, however, with the whole Coleile situation actually resides with CCP. I'm not sure how things were like before (i.e. I'm now just entering my 3rd month of play) and I've heard others talking about the various good/bad story lines that have come from CCP in the past.  My actual issue is the events of Coleile are not something that would just go quiet.  Even if neither side was willing to apologize, there ought to have been statements made by both governments...I could be wrong about it, but dreadnought fleet engagements are not something you just sweep under the carpet and pretend didn't happen...both sides lost a noticeable chunk of assets, yet no word or anything.

I can sympathize a bit with Ava from the point of view that because EM was involved in the action, and without anything from the actual parties involved, all the players upset with the event are jumping on the 'kick the apparent bad guy while they're down' wagon. I may have been guilty of this, I'm not sure. I understand, having been involved with the military in RL, the situation EM found themselves in...they received an order from on high to engage 'the enemy'. It's easy to sit back and say EM was wrong and should have refused the order and either held back or left the field, but then they would have been labelled traitors by the Republic...whether or not there'd be an in-game mechanic/consequence for that is irrelevant from a story point of view: EM, a group that strikes me as being loyal to the Republic, would no longer be loyal by refusing the order.  They had no choice.  From Steff's point of view, she has nothing against what EM did, they were called upon to support a fleet of dreds; as to whether or not they were told they would be going in force into Fed space and that they were going to engage anything that got in their path is another thing and even then Steff still doesn't hold anything against the EM pilots.  Bad decisions were made all around and jumping down EM's throat solves nothing.  Once the first shots were fired, EM again had no real choice in what they could do as now they were red to the Feds and were in a giant furball of a space battle.

So I guess the point I'm trying to make is, if it is developing your character and fun, stick with it. CCP should have had an idea what Coleile might do and there are enough real-world examples (admittedly on a much smaller scale) that to sit back and not have anything said for 3 months is disappointing and frustrating.
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