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[lallara zhuul]

Odd thing about earth lifeforms with long lifespans (like them turtles) is that they go through childhood pretty fast, plow through adolescence but they get stuck as young adults, they do not actually turn geriatric until the very end...

I wonder if the lifespan lengthening in New Eden is similar, or in case of cybernetics they will just lengthen the geriatric phase until the end...

[Shintoko Akahoshi]

For cultural reasons, I suspect, in the case of the Amarr, that their life extension techniques keep them as healthy as young adults while still allowing them to appear aged as young as 60 or so.

[Gaven Lok ri]

it's also worth pointing out that this was Amarr medical tech as it existed some ~2000 years before current, during the reign of the Mad Emperor.

Unsure about when the Sacred Flesh doctrine fits into that.

This.

Sacred flesh and that information don't go together at all. I'll happily go out on a limb and say that very few Amarrian traditions are likely to pre-date the moral reforms.

That said, I would be really shocked if Amarr were not using some form of artificial womb by the present time. I do not see powerful female holders as likely to be ok with traditional risks of childbirth if alternate technologies existed.

[Nicoletta Mithra]

I honestly don't see how Sacred Flesh and that information don't go together. I'd also claim that there a re a lot of traditions that pre-date moral reforms, for the reason that when the moral reforms happened the Amarr couldn't possibly have cast all prior traditions aside, as that would greatly destabilize a society.

Also, one would think that there are likely medical technologies available that minimize lethal risks of childbirth to near zero. So, I can very well imagine that some Amarr nobles don't use an artificial womb.

[Lyn Farel]

What do you mean by "going together" ?

I don't really see what is the link between the Godflesh doctrine and extended Amarrian lifespans or even flesh immortality...

[Gaven Lok ri]

What do you mean by "going together" ?

I don't really see what is the link between the Godflesh doctrine and extended Amarrian lifespans or even flesh immortality...

I don't see a link either. Thats what I meant.

Edit: I missed the "some" in Nico's post and am editing out an overly snarky response. My bad

On the Moral reforms point: I don't know of any society that actually has traditions that survive anywhere near long as the amarr ones are supposed to have. My read is that the moral reforms mark a point of crisis that is probably the origin of Amarr civilization as it actually exist now and that most of the information that predates that is invented to legitimize the current regime. This is not PF based, but rather based on how I see societies function historically. For a culture with old claims like the amarr have you often have an epic period of history in which great events and heroes lived and in which the values of the current culture are read back onto the distant past.

My feeling is that the Moral reforms are the break point between that epic period and the current Amarr culture. Before them you get stories like the City of God and Ametat-Avetat. The events might have happened, but the morals are almost certainly imposed by the later culture. After them you get the actual events of Empire. This isn't PF based though, more trying to force the PF onto a more believable mold for me.

[Horatius Caul]

The Amarr were a global society for 700 years, and an interstellar society for 600 years before the Moral Reforms. Going by the length of Zaragram's rule, it's clear that life extension technology already existed in this time, and it's reasonable to assume that treatments such as prolonging fertility would also have been available - even if it'd just be saving eggs for later implantation.

I definitely agree that the Moral Reforms were a societal pivot point though. The main change was of course that the noble class rose above the clerical class, and that would have opened up for new and extravagant customs that may have been taboo in the previous system.

One thing I've been pondering for some time is the Amarrian "cult of age". Where the Gallente society likely worships youth for the same reasons we do today, and the Caldari might admire middle-age as a balance of experience and strength, the Amarr consider age to be a person's prime. Living to be old is a sign of being blessed, of having good breeding, wealth to access technology (like having wealth to eat yourself fat in medieval times), of having had time to take power, to establish many contacts, and of having more wisdom to know God.

In Amarr society, being (and looking) old is an ideal, just like looking young is an ideal in our society.

Having a child when you are very old might be considered an admirable achievement, because someone who has lived to be old deserves to further his or her bloodline.