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[BloodBird]

I like it. Why strive to fit into a community that you don't like? Do your own RP thing with your own friends It's what I do.

It's basically what everyone does. The myth that we are all some huge mono-group is false: everyone RP's different groups and factions and ideas and no-one who even RP as part of any one identified party do so in the same way. The one and only common identifier is that everyone that RP do indeed RP. It's not our job to tell anyone with the widely distributed RP-sticker that they can/can't do X Y Z, but if people do things that cause us to face-palm allot, we can, utilizing our right to free speech, tell them this.

How we do so is up to us. It would likely be preffered if we managed to be a little bit civil about it at least, but every individual can decide if they even bother. Likewise everyone who does RP can chose for themselves how they do so and as part of what group, if any. Seeking advice and clarification on the unknown/unclear bits is also considered a smart move - why make a bunch of common errors if it's avoidable by asking others who may be wise from previous injury already? People already do that for EVE in general, and any other game/job/position/thing you can imagine anywhere else.

The monolithic community is a myth, an unconfirmed rumor. There is only RP'ers, what and who they RP, and everyone else who RP at all, and the interaction, if any, between them. As an example, me and my toon does sparsely little interaction these days, but I'm still as much a RP'er as the most involved person and toon with the biggest social web you can get.

Creating 'your own' community is impossible. All you can do is RP as you want with the people you want, depending on who you end up RP'ing with in what way, good, bad, indifferent, depends on what form you little 'community inside the community' holds.

[Lyn Farel]

I agree only to some extent. Which means you better leave and build your own when it appears that you share close to nothing with the community already in place. Of course, you will have to fight like hell to carve your own place with very pervasive/monopolies like Summit/OOC. But why not.

However +1 to what Makkal said. I believe more in the "democratic" side of communities than in their "capitalistic" side. I can have disagreements, being discontent about things here and there, but still really enjoying the community.

[Creep]

Most RPers I find in lowsec/null are furiously RPing at people (amid autocannon fire and explosions), and are either sneered at by the lolsrsbsnz gamers or are met with cautious counter-RPing. I am content with this.

[Laria Raven]

cautious counter-RPing.

I really like it when this happens, and I don't mind how inept the attempts are. Not because I think "oooh, we'll gain an RPer", but just because I find the lolRPer thing really annoying, and every time this little thing happens, I think it pushes a tiny bit of that away.

[Svetlana Scarlet]

I have always thought the Summit was a little ridiculous anyway...Svetlana, at least, has no interest with socializing with many of the reprobates that frequent the place; while she might be able to handle meeting some of the Gallente or Minmatar loyalists in a neutral setting and offer them some grudging respect, the more...criminal types, or even independent types, she sees as a dangerous threat to the order of the cluster.

[Morwen Lagann]

cautious counter-RPing.

I really like it when this happens, and I don't mind how inept the attempts are. Not because I think "oooh, we'll gain an RPer", but just because I find the lolRPer thing really annoying, and every time this little thing happens, I think it pushes a tiny bit of that away.

It's always surprised me how many people will respond IC to comments in local or suchlike.

Back when I was pirating, ransoms attempts where I got someone who otherwise wouldn't have likely given a damn about RP to respond in character were the best ones, even when I got a killmail rather than ISK.

[Anslol]

cautious counter-RPing.

I really like it when this happens, and I don't mind how inept the attempts are. Not because I think "oooh, we'll gain an RPer", but just because I find the lolRPer thing really annoying, and every time this little thing happens, I think it pushes a tiny bit of that away.

It's always surprised me how many people will respond IC to comments in local or suchlike.

Back when I was pirating, ransoms attempts where I got someone who otherwise wouldn't have likely given a damn about RP to respond in character were the best ones, even when I got a killmail rather than ISK.

No one RP'd back at me when I was in Aduro. Caught a Tengu, attempted RP style ransom. Got called a @#$% $@&@ @#%^@$& who has no real life instead.

Good times.

[Morwen Lagann]

No one RP'd back at me when I was in Aduro. Caught a Tengu, attempted RP style ransom. Got called a @#$% $@&@ @#%^@$& who has no real life instead.

Good times.

Aduro

I think that was your problem right there.

[Anslol]

No one RP'd back at me when I was in Aduro. Caught a Tengu, attempted RP style ransom. Got called a @#$% $@&@ @#%^@$& who has no real life instead.

Good times.

Aduro

I think that was your problem right there.

TBH Aduro was the happiest time of my Eve career. No hard core strict BS. We derped into pvp hard and still won. I liked it alot.

Also the Tengu pilot was the mad one, not other Aduro folks.

[Morwen Lagann]

It might've been fun for you, but the wider public perception of Aduro is what I was referring to. We're getting off-topic.

[Anslol]

It might've been fun for you, but the wider public perception of Aduro is what I was referring to. We're getting off-topic.

Not necessarily. Perception of oneself from the community at large may also hinder other communities being created due to a sense of lacking ability. Could be vice versa though. It's not as simple as 'I don't like it here, I'm making my own community' for some people. Some take criticism (harsh criticism) as a sign that they just fail and should forget it. I'm not saying it's the fault of the larger community, the person needs to be able to take criticism. But harsh criticism should be curbed. It's not constructive.

[Vincent Pryce]

It might've been fun for you, but the wider public perception of Aduro is what I was referring to. We're getting off-topic.

During my early days of pvp in MXD, I flew alongside Aduro Protocol. They were fun folks, Siigari was an eccentric fellow who bought and lost the first ever Proteus on TQ. Almost joined them but something about Andy's passion and Faust's sneering sarcasm won me over.

MXD was a less than reputable entity, even viewed as a joke among the larger community, but despite all that it is still the best times I have had in this game. I wish often that I could go back to those days. You make your own friends, and own community. MXD will always have special place in my cynical heart along with Andy and Faust. No matter how shit times got in EVE they've always had my back.

This walk down the memory lane has a point and it is that, fuck everybody else and fuck the community, don't let other people decide or dictate who you play with and makes friend with.

[Karmilla Strife]

If your drama creates fourteen backstage pages of drama, the problem isn't the community.

[Morwen Lagann]

Anslo, Vince: You both appear to be either misunderstanding or misrepresenting what I was saying.

I was saying that the perception of Aduro from the outside may have played into the Tengu pilot's response of spewing a series of random number-row characters at Anslo beyond the obvious "you caught my dumb, inattentive ass in lowsec, so fuck you."

The way you guys perceive your groups is not what will determine or guide interactions or perceptions from outside parties. You could all be the nicest and funniest bunch of people to play EVE with in the world, but if that isn't the perception held by people outside of your immediate blue-list, it isn't going to be the perception that they bring to the table when they interact with you.

I flew with Aduro a few times too and didn't have anything but a blast, for the record. :p

[Anslol]

Anslo, Vince: You both appear to be either misunderstanding or misrepresenting what I was saying.

I was saying that the perception of Aduro from the outside may have played into the Tengu pilot's response of spewing a series of random number-row characters at Anslo beyond the obvious "you caught my dumb, inattentive ass in lowsec, so fuck you."

The way you guys perceive your groups is not what will determine or guide interactions or perceptions from outside parties. You could all be the nicest and funniest bunch of people to play EVE with in the world, but if that isn't the perception held by people outside of your immediate blue-list, it isn't going to be the perception that they bring to the table when they interact with you.

I flew with Aduro a few times too and didn't have anything but a blast, for the record. :p

I remember you. Laser scorps best scorps. But I get what you're saying here, and that is my point.

I know that, ICly, Aduro would be looked down at cause grr derpy pirate. I'm talking about OOC perceptions and preconceived notions of a character based on their affiliation.

'Oh he's a new RP person but from Aduro, must be a troll. See? Look at that derp, they're doing it wrong. Just ignore them, they're an idiot.' Something like that, or some harsh criticism for similar reasons, is what I'm speaking out against.