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[Norrin Ellis]

People coming.  People going.  People upset about the comings and goings and the reasons behind them.  It's all very dramatic, and it all seems to stem from the notion of the community.  A single, monolithic RP community.  It's a gated community, and if the gatekeepers don't like you, you aren't allowed in.  If you slip by and the other residents don't like you, you're thrown out or, at the very least, made to feel unwelcome until you leave.

I'd encourage everyone to pause a moment and consider their own ideal community.  Does it exist in EVE?  Why not build it yourself?  Rather than try to be a member of the community, why not seek out or create a community that is more to your liking?  Your community, perhaps.

Find the folks you like and invite them to play in your community.  No, it probably won't be as densely populated as the community, and perhaps some of the gatekeepers and overlords of the community will do whatever they can to discourage others from giving your community a fair shake, but that's the nature of competition in a free market of ideas (or of RP communities).  Hell, you can be a member of as many communities as you like.  Pick and choose the ones that suit you best and integrate yourself into them to whatever degree makes you comfortable.

If you really believe that the veteran elitists who form the central committee of the community are so terrible, then why keep trying to fit into their domain?  Build your own castle next door.  Declare war or be a peaceful neighbor.  However you choose to do it, you owe it to yourself to carve out an environment that's conducive to your enjoyment, whether that's with an established community or a new one that you create.  (Personally, I don't make any effort to hide the fact that I can't stand the self-appointed gatekeepers of the community, and I know most of 'em don't like me much, either.  I don't play with them.  Problem solved.)

Anyhow, my point is that we're all ultimately responsible for our own fun in EVE.  Don't like the available choices?  Create new ones.  There's a far wider range of options than a single RP community.

[Katrina Oniseki]

Very well said.

Competition.

It is the way of EVE.

[Halete]

True; there is a platitude of RP communities for people to get involved with. Many of us play social pariahs (most pirate faction loyalists with a few notable exceptions for a start) and get along just fine.

That said this isn't a perfect fix. The so-called 'monolithic' RP community perception holds some significance; the OOC/Summit community acts as a gateway in many instances to the RP scene as a whole. It's all well and good to say 'if you feel excluded, stake out your own' but the fact is that the bad attitude of some members of this community has a knock-on effect on everyone else. Whereas many fresh faces would fit in elsewhere they are often dissuaded before they get the chance to  their options.

The issue may more lie in the lack of visibility for alternatives.

Just as a point of note, I'm sure the timing of this thread with the events surrounding Cynthia isn't a coincidence. CG did make their own little community. We're a friendly little family. It was drama from outside that got to CG.

[Aelisha Montenagre]

Well said Norrin.  I consider myself to be a part of several distinct communities already - the landscape really is far more diverse than a single monolithic entity. 

[Graelyn]

Seriously.

When are people going to figure this out?

[Makkal]

I'd encourage everyone to pause a moment and consider their own ideal community.  Does it exist in EVE?  Why not build it yourself?  Rather than try to be a member of the community, why not seek out or create a community that is more to your liking?  Your community, perhaps.

To answer your questions, I'll use an analogy.

I have an ideal woman. If I spent my time attempting to find her or create her, I'd end up overlooking all the awesome women who don't fit that ideal.

Humanity is messy. It's imperfect. The communities it creates are messy and imperfect.

That's awesome.

You can drive yourself mad attempting to create an ideal community. It's much better to learn to love the community you're part of and to work to make it a fun place for you and your buddies than it is to seek after an ideal.

PS: And I'm not sure my ideal community would include someone like me.

[Lasairiona]

I like it. Why strive to fit into a community that you don't like? Do your own RP thing with your own friends It's what I do.

[DeadRow]

I thought this is what happens normally?

[Mister Screwball]

I thought this is what happens normally?

[Saede Riordan]

Yeah Norrin's totally right on this.

[Louella Dougans]

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[Anslol]

I don't about this being THE community. Like another poster said, it's more of an entry level place for RP for new people (gotta start somewhere). Kind of like a starter corp....kind of.

But I think people don't try to make other communities because people just tend to gravitate to OOC and Summit because there's so many people there already. Why would they go to yours? But then again, if amount doesn't matter as opposed to who specifically is in your own community...then meh.

Personally, I stay because of the numbers. More people, more conversation, variety of conversation, etc. Anslo sucks at starting topics ICly and OOCly I'm rarely in the mood to get into a deep discussion on the finer parts of emergent electronic evolutionary trends (yes I just pulled that RIGHT out at my ass at 210 MPH).

But that's IC. OOCly, I like the people despite IC problems or arguments. For instance, Zanzi is a horrible, evil Sansha toaster IC. OOC, no one else has ever made me laugh so damn much at the most innocuous things. ICly, Anslo hates Silas. OOCly, Silas is an intelligent person with some good insight. There's more examples but meh, too many to list. Bottom line, they're all there in one place, so I stick around to be able to talk to 'em.

But that's just me....man why do I feel the need to blab all this? Sorry for the rant/pontification 

[Desiderya]

I've refined that, Lou.



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[Morwen Lagann]

I've refined that, Lou.

It's worth noting that "DERP" is an acronym for "Dat EVE RP".

[Desiderya]

And I thought it had something to do with ERP.