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[Laria Raven]

There was a chronicle? *swearword* This is seriously the problem with OOC knowledge - even if you don't have it, the fact that you could have had it makes it a problem.

Apologies, folks.

[Desiderya]

This detail might lead to the beans being spilled, since if there's that much support/mourning for Yanala it is safe to assume that the navy (or, the people it consists of) feel similar. The chronicle gives the impression that the non-CPD witness doesn't really like what's going on.

Because technically the cronicle does not explicit state that Yanala dies. Someone (Heth?) could have pushed the cup out of her hand or the tea was not poisened in the first place. So even with our OOC knowledge it is assumptions that we believe she is dead and who is to blame. This is in fact the perfect situation for the CCP event team to teach people not to use OOC knowledge with such overconfidence unless they want the risk of being labeled as crazy conspiracy theorists.

It is possible, yes, although I'd say that it is highly unlikely given that the Navy talks about a cloning accident that will likely have happened the instant she was killed, two months ago, over Luminaire. If that happened, the chronicle couldn't have taken place. Any situation constructed to circumvent these facts is so complicated and unlikely that it'd be utterly sad if they did use it, especially to teach the mentioned lesson.

[Shiori]

One hopes the CCPers have better things to do with their lives than being the RP Moral Police, in any case.

[orange]

You mean her and Gariushi are not waking up in Venal and planning to lead the Guristas in righting the ship of State?

[Lithium Flower]

Whats the point of capsuleers suiciding if they just soft clone and keep on trucking?

It's not suicide if the capsuleer doesn't have the fortitude to terminate their clones first.

However, was mainly talking about baseliners. Yanala was just a special case.

Nope, she wasn't. Heth (maybe with Navy CEO, dunno if she was actually involved or was just supporting him) discharged her from the navy and revoked capsuleer contract. The rest was determined.

That part bugs me.   Before this point Heth didn't have that sort of direct control over the Navy, and for many of us that is an extremely important detail. 

Ugh... then how did he took Caldari Prime?

As for me, Executor is corresponds to the head of executive branch of power, and this implies control over army.

[Hamish Grayson]

Ugh... then how did he took Caldari Prime?

As for me, Executor is corresponds to the head of executive branch of power, and this implies control over army.

You're Diana Kim right?   I of course defer to your superior expertise in the minutia of Caldari PF.

[Katrina Oniseki]

Ugh... then how did he took Caldari Prime?

As for me, Executor is corresponds to the head of executive branch of power, and this implies control over army.

Heth does not have actual control over the Navy itself.

Ultimate authority with the Navy rests with the entire CEP as a cooperative entity, not him alone. The CEP directs the War Council, which in turn directs the group of State military forces such as Army, Navy, Marines, and other black ops groups. Keep in mind that the Caldari Navy has not once acted against the orders of the CEP. It was Templis Dragonaurs on the scene against SuVee during the live event, not the Caldari Navy.

Heth was able to make use of the Navy for other operations using his influence, not actual authority. He convinced the CEP to green-light the operation against the Federation during YC110, for example. So the War Council drew up plans to invade, and the rest is history. Same with the purge of DUST soldiers. Everything the Navy does must be approved by the CEP. They are not Heth's lapdogs.

There have been multiple chronicles and chapters in the books that clearly show the Navy does not answer to Heth. The highest ranking and leading officer of the Caldari Navy, Admiral Mininela Erinen herself, directly resists and threatens Heth by often reminding him that he does not give her orders.

[Mithfindel]

How exactly things happened is a bit muddy, but personally I assume that Heth simply has thrown around a lot of Home Guard and CPD forces, with the Navy offering a handful of capital assets in support. (Except for the initial rush into Caldari Prime, which was a proper assault.)

"Executor" title is the variant of Chief Executive Officer in Caldari Providence Directorate. In that role, Heth has the right to distribute resources, which may or may not extend into delivering military hardware (and their associated troops). However, considering that the other corporate security forces did not maintain heavier presence in Caldari Prime, I assume this is limited to arranging logistics and production, not giving direct orders to troops.

While to us Heth appears as a nearly complete idiot, it is probably good to remember that "in his good moments" he can be quite charismatic.

[Lithium Flower]

Ugh... then how did he took Caldari Prime?

As for me, Executor is corresponds to the head of executive branch of power, and this implies control over army.

Heth does not have actual control over the Navy itself.

Ultimate authority with the Navy rests with the entire CEP as a cooperative entity, not him alone. The CEP directs the War Council, which in turn directs the group of State military forces such as Army, Navy, Marines, and other black ops groups. Keep in mind that the Caldari Navy has not once acted against the orders of the CEP. It was Templis Dragonaurs on the scene against SuVee during the live event, not the Caldari Navy.

Heth was able to make use of the Navy for other operations using his influence, not actual authority. He convinced the CEP to green-light the operation against the Federation during YC110, for example. So the War Council drew up plans to invade, and the rest is history. Same with the purge of DUST soldiers. Everything the Navy does must be approved by the CEP. They are not Heth's lapdogs.

There have been multiple chronicles and chapters in the books that clearly show the Navy does not answer to Heth. The highest ranking and leading officer of the Caldari Navy, Admiral Mininela Erinen herself, directly resists and threatens Heth by often reminding him that he does not give her orders.

How about the last chronicle then? He was dealing with her subordinate, with just her presence.

[Katrina Oniseki]

Ugh... then how did he took Caldari Prime?

As for me, Executor is corresponds to the head of executive branch of power, and this implies control over army.

Heth does not have actual control over the Navy itself.

Ultimate authority with the Navy rests with the entire CEP as a cooperative entity, not him alone. The CEP directs the War Council, which in turn directs the group of State military forces such as Army, Navy, Marines, and other black ops groups. Keep in mind that the Caldari Navy has not once acted against the orders of the CEP. It was Templis Dragonaurs on the scene against SuVee during the live event, not the Caldari Navy.

Heth was able to make use of the Navy for other operations using his influence, not actual authority. He convinced the CEP to green-light the operation against the Federation during YC110, for example. So the War Council drew up plans to invade, and the rest is history. Same with the purge of DUST soldiers. Everything the Navy does must be approved by the CEP. They are not Heth's lapdogs.

There have been multiple chronicles and chapters in the books that clearly show the Navy does not answer to Heth. The highest ranking and leading officer of the Caldari Navy, Admiral Mininela Erinen herself, directly resists and threatens Heth by often reminding him that he does not give her orders.

How about the last chronicle then? He was dealing with her subordinate, with just her presence.

You're missing the point. He was using influence on her, a different kind of power. Nobody is saying he doesn't have the influence to force somebody to take the tea. That is not the same as ordering the Caldari Navy to act against the wishes of the CEP and War Council.

There is a fine line between influence and authority, and a very clear and obvious difference between influence and law appointed command. If Heth had attempted what he did with Yanala in full sight of the CEP and rest of the people, he could have been stopped. He did it in private with only a few people there because he knew there was nobody there to say "Hey you can't do that!". For all we know, Heth might have threatened Admiral Erinen's family or something to force her to stop questioning him. That's influence, again, not the actual authority to command her.

[Lithium Flower]

Ugh... then how did he took Caldari Prime?

As for me, Executor is corresponds to the head of executive branch of power, and this implies control over army.

Heth does not have actual control over the Navy itself.

Ultimate authority with the Navy rests with the entire CEP as a cooperative entity, not him alone. The CEP directs the War Council, which in turn directs the group of State military forces such as Army, Navy, Marines, and other black ops groups. Keep in mind that the Caldari Navy has not once acted against the orders of the CEP. It was Templis Dragonaurs on the scene against SuVee during the live event, not the Caldari Navy.

Heth was able to make use of the Navy for other operations using his influence, not actual authority. He convinced the CEP to green-light the operation against the Federation during YC110, for example. So the War Council drew up plans to invade, and the rest is history. Same with the purge of DUST soldiers. Everything the Navy does must be approved by the CEP. They are not Heth's lapdogs.

There have been multiple chronicles and chapters in the books that clearly show the Navy does not answer to Heth. The highest ranking and leading officer of the Caldari Navy, Admiral Mininela Erinen herself, directly resists and threatens Heth by often reminding him that he does not give her orders.

How about the last chronicle then? He was dealing with her subordinate, with just her presence.

You're missing the point. He was using influence on her, a different kind of power. Nobody is saying he doesn't have the influence to force somebody to take the tea. That is not the same as ordering the Caldari Navy to act against the wishes of the CEP and War Council.

There is a fine line between influence and authority, and a very clear and obvious difference between influence and law appointed command. If Heth had attempted what he did with Yanala in full sight of the CEP and rest of the people, he could have been stopped. He did it in private with only a few people there because he knew there was nobody there to say "Hey you can't do that!". For all we know, Heth might have threatened Admiral Erinen's family or something to force her to stop questioning him. That's influence, again, not the actual authority to command her.

Mybe then I should just go back and simply blow up stuff around >_<
Just from my opinion, being a head of the state implies ability to command armed forces and deploy them whenever you need.
Is there somewhere a statement of actual authorities of Executor?
Or just whatever he does is influence, but not authority?

[Svetlana Scarlet]

That part bugs me.   Before this point Heth didn't have that sort of direct control over the Navy, and for many of us that is an extremely important detail. 

He shouldn't, but he has ever since he singlehandedly got the Navy to invade Caldari Prime without anyone else being informed. :/ I am tempted to start ending all my IGS posts with the Caldari version of Carthago delenda est....

[Mithfindel]

I didn't find any news about the initial forming of the CPD, but:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/mega-corporations-announce-partnership-with-caldari-providence-directorate-1/
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/ishukone-board-cedes-strategic-control-to-heth-markets-respond-positively-1/
"grant strategic control of industrial operations to Tibus Heth"

Politics:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/mixed-reactions-to-the-cpd-reform-plan/

Recent:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/cep-to-question-executive-officer-mininela-erinen-under-oath/
"[...]the questions will revolve around “Admiral Yanala's orders on the day of the Battle for Caldari Prime, her subsequent observance or refusal of those orders, whether the chain of command was properly followed in issuing the orders[...]"

[Myyona]

Uh oh, this has still the chance to take unexpected twists.

[Arnulf Ogunkoya]

Ugh... then how did he took Caldari Prime?

As for me, Executor is corresponds to the head of executive branch of power, and this implies control over army.

Heth does not have actual control over the Navy itself.

Ultimate authority with the Navy rests with the entire CEP as a cooperative entity, not him alone. The CEP directs the War Council, which in turn directs the group of State military forces such as Army, Navy, Marines, and other black ops groups. Keep in mind that the Caldari Navy has not once acted against the orders of the CEP. It was Templis Dragonaurs on the scene against SuVee during the live event, not the Caldari Navy.

Heth was able to make use of the Navy for other operations using his influence, not actual authority. He convinced the CEP to green-light the operation against the Federation during YC110, for example. So the War Council drew up plans to invade, and the rest is history. Same with the purge of DUST soldiers. Everything the Navy does must be approved by the CEP. They are not Heth's lapdogs.

There have been multiple chronicles and chapters in the books that clearly show the Navy does not answer to Heth. The highest ranking and leading officer of the Caldari Navy, Admiral Mininela Erinen herself, directly resists and threatens Heth by often reminding him that he does not give her orders.

How about the last chronicle then? He was dealing with her subordinate, with just her presence.

Nope, I just went back & re-read the relevant part.

He has a couple of CPD goons with him & Admiral Erinen is initially portrayed as looking concerned. She tries to defend her subordinate's actions but is cut off and Heth forces the issue.

Likely she calculated, correctly, that Heth would have his CPD escorts restrain or remove her if she tried to countermand him. And Yanala consents to drinking anyway, spitting defiance as she does.

If she survives to testify Heth is ended. At this point she is likely using Navy security people to make sure that she does survive to testify.