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[Merdaneth]

90% speed reduction combined with a close range weapon system that is getting an inherent tracking buff.

It will not be as accurate cruiser fire, but it will be damn close: it's not hard to hit frigates moving at snails pace.

You'd be surprised. AB frigates won't have any problem, non-AB frigs will have some problems.

The greatest danger lies in the speed difference. If the frig is effectively slower than the new BC when webbed, then it won't be able to make use of the transversal/small sig combination against a smart BC pilot. However, this is all theoretical 1vs1 stuff. What we should be looking at is how to abuse the new BC (preferably in coordinate blobs)

[Esna Pitoojee]

Considering that I saw a fit for the Tornado last night using the initual stats that could do 1k DPS at up to 70km while go 3 km/s... yeah. The current stats are very OP, and very likely to be changed.

[Julianus Soter]

Wait, you mean the Talos won't simply be a more expensive, less flexible, and less-tanky (is this even possible?) brutix?

Someone call the nerfpolice.

People should try flying gallente ships before demanding they be nerfed. Having 20% of the engagement envelope of every other race in the game is more than enough counterbalance to whatever advantages the Talos ship bonuses will bring it.

[kalaratiri]

Wait, you mean the Talos won't simply be a more expensive, less flexible, and less-tanky (is this even possible?) brutix?

Someone call the nerfpolice.

People should try flying gallente ships before demanding they be nerfed. Having 20% of the engagement envelope of every other race in the game is more than enough counterbalance to whatever advantages the Talos ship bonuses will bring it.

I fly Enyos I love gallente ships, but seriously, right now the Talos is overpowered.

[Jade Constantine]

Wait, you mean the Talos won't simply be a more expensive, less flexible, and less-tanky (is this even possible?) brutix?

Someone call the nerfpolice.

People should try flying gallente ships before demanding they be nerfed. Having 20% of the engagement envelope of every other race in the game is more than enough counterbalance to whatever advantages the Talos ship bonuses will bring it.

I fly Enyos I love gallente ships, but seriously, right now the Talos is overpowered.

Angel ships have been overpowered for the last 2 years.

Every race deserves a period in the sunshine.

[Julianus Soter]

Wait, you mean the Talos won't simply be a more expensive, less flexible, and less-tanky (is this even possible?) brutix?

Someone call the nerfpolice.

People should try flying gallente ships before demanding they be nerfed. Having 20% of the engagement envelope of every other race in the game is more than enough counterbalance to whatever advantages the Talos ship bonuses will bring it.

I fly Enyos I love gallente ships, but seriously, right now the Talos is overpowered.

What facts can you demonstrate to prove this fact?

Brutixes sell for 18 million. These ships will be in the 40 million isk range. Assuming quantity of pilots is not possible what advantages will the Talos have that justifies investing in one over two brutixes? The two brutixes, properly gank fit, can do more dps, with more tank. Only difference might be speed, or webs.

[Z.Sinraali]

Cost as a balancing mechanism...where have we heard that before...

[BloodBird]

Cost as a balancing mechanism...where have we heard that before...

Gallente can never be allowed to be OP, nerf it... I've heard that before as well.

And that is assumiing I agree on the whole 'talos is op' whine. I don't. As things stand now it will be an under-performing no-range blaster boat with no tank or a glass-cannon rail boat with insufficent damage and tracking. If it actually ends up working SO WELL that it's widely regarded as op I'll laugh myself silly for the five minutes it will take CCP to nerf it to 'never-flies-again' status.

[Julianus Soter]

Cost as a balancing mechanism...where have we heard that before...

Because I didn't mention any other objective, quantifiable pieces of data in my post as to why the Talos has no significant advantages over other ships in this class/role.

Flying blaster battleships, of which there are three in the game, is an extraordinarily frustrating process. Your dps is crap at almost every range besides point blank, but if you are engaging a target with anything less than scram, and 2 webs effective on it, you do less dps than most battlecruisers due to the number of misses you incur.

If one was to create a ship class that uses battleship class weapons, and didn't have any interest in remarkably improving the performance of the heavier blaster battleships, while still allowing this new class to be effective in its niche, designated role, then the web bonus and ship hull velocity is mandatory, as without it is nearly impossible to maintain that close range to be effective.

The Talos will be popular in gatecamps, and I can see where this might incur some angst from other pilots. However, other Tier 3's will be effective Talos counters, such as artillery Tornados, Naga snipers, or Beam/Pulse Oracles. the talos will be utterly defenseless against a long-range assault; how is this not an effective counter?

I thought the line was that if a ship class's only counter was more of that ship class, then it was overpowered/unbalanced. That is clearly not the case here, as any number of shiptypes are effective in countering the Talos short-range superiority.

[Senn Typhos]

"Have you ever noticed that their stuff is shit and your shit is stuff?"
~ George Carlin

[Valdezi]

Wait, you mean the Talos won't simply be a more expensive, less flexible, and less-tanky (is this even possible?) brutix?

Someone call the nerfpolice.

People should try flying gallente ships before demanding they be nerfed. Having 20% of the engagement envelope of every other race in the game is more than enough counterbalance to whatever advantages the Talos ship bonuses will bring it.

I fly Enyos I love gallente ships, but seriously, right now the Talos is overpowered.

Angel ships have been overpowered for the last 2 years.

Every race deserves a period in the sunshine.

I agree with this statement so much that I want to hug it. The Talos will finally be a worthwhile option for Gallente pilots who have been flying Winmatar ships. About time we had something that was Best in Show.

[orange]

Hybrid Weapon Boost

Note the general speed boost to the Gallente hulls (and the Falcon & Cormorant), it may not be all of them.

[John Revenent]

Poor freighters... Welcome to the new griefer tools, faster lock time, cheaper, BS guns = success.

[Milo Caman]

Poor freighters... Welcome to the new griefer tools, faster lock time, cheaper, BS guns = success.

Not for a week or so, while the prices drops to something reasonable.

Also Catalyst is the new Brutix:

[Catalyst, Catalyst fit]

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Hobgoblin II x1

"fuck tank! roemy! just probe that bitch with your scimitar and give me a warp-in! i'll just dispose of any dangerous drones..."
526dps before imps or any other shenanigans
i'm giggling irl somehow

[Seriphyn]

Woop woop, my RP-OCD will no longer twitch over being a Gallente RPer while flying Minmatar.