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Kamiko Hautala

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Re: Where do you stand politically?
« Reply #60 on: 28 Apr 2010, 14:17 »
I love you Ashar. That is exactly what I believe should be done for the future. I don't want anything extreme, like my bones being replaced by synthetic aluminum, but there is so much research being done into this that can be increased tenfold if we had political laws that supported this kind of work.

Ray Kurzweil's early dreams for humanity can happen. Just pretend it's EVE Online and we'll have clones in no time.
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Arnulf Ogunkoya

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Re: Where do you stand politically?
« Reply #61 on: 28 Apr 2010, 16:25 »


Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38

This is more or less what I expected.
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Re: Where do you stand politically?
« Reply #62 on: 28 Apr 2010, 17:13 »
I'm in solid agreement with Ashar.
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Re: Where do you stand politically?
« Reply #63 on: 28 Apr 2010, 17:32 »
My only response, Ashar, is I don't really consider that any different from a humanist aim.
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Re: Where do you stand politically?
« Reply #64 on: 28 Apr 2010, 18:38 »
Except that humanist thinking originated centuries ago, and this is a bit more modern?

Except that the finer points of the platform are something I cannot even begin to express and have not read all the in-depth material on that I'd like to?

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Casiella

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Re: Where do you stand politically?
« Reply #65 on: 28 Apr 2010, 18:41 »
So the two differences between your standing and actual humanism are "but it's new!! \o/" and "I don't really understand it... /o\" ?

;) :P
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Re: Where do you stand politically?
« Reply #66 on: 28 Apr 2010, 18:47 »
My statements above are roughly meant to convey that something modern in the same vein as something ancient does not an equivalent make, and that I am not qualified to articulate the sum total of the import of the platform and as such will go with what the framers and intellectual forerunners have been going with, trusting that there's either sufficient reason or little point. After all, we're squabbling over a single syllable. A neologism may inspire hatred for being a neologism, but in the end the vernacular's just that.

But, on the former of those...Explaining the core concepts of modern macroengineering to a roman engineer would provide different results than explaining them to the engineering students of today, and similarly, the thought processes of humanists at the time humanism was founded are not congruent to those of transhumanists anymore than the neo-conservatives in the US are the same as conservatives, or the democrats of today are the same as dixiecrats.

Shit changes.
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Lillith Blackheart

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Re: Where do you stand politically?
« Reply #67 on: 28 Apr 2010, 19:03 »
...yet the more they change, the more they stay the same.
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Casiella

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Re: Where do you stand politically?
« Reply #68 on: 28 Apr 2010, 19:32 »
Specific manners of articulating humanism and applying it to particular problems may change, of course, but the core principles and thoughts underlying humanism shouldn't. If they do, then the whole thing needs a good hard look.

Then again, I'm one of those Christians who think that Jesus of Nazareth came pretty close to humanism, back two thousand years ago.
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Re: Where do you stand politically?
« Reply #69 on: 28 Apr 2010, 20:05 »
Jesus disappeared for 20 years "to the east" and came back preaching a version of Judaism that taught brotherly love, humility, and civil disobedience.

....dude came back a Buddhist.
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Re: Where do you stand politically?
« Reply #70 on: 28 Apr 2010, 20:10 »
Quote from: Casiella on 28 Apr 2010, 19:32
Then again, I'm one of those Christians who think that Jesus of Nazareth came pretty close to humanism, back two thousand years ago.

He seems to have been a nice guy, granted. If only he hadn't insisted on dragging a god into his philosophy. Gods are always bad news.
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Re: Where do you stand politically?
« Reply #71 on: 28 Apr 2010, 20:12 »
Oh I'm sorry, religion is THAT way. Politics is right here.  :bear:
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Re: Where do you stand politically?
« Reply #72 on: 28 Apr 2010, 20:16 »
For many of us, the two are inseparably intertwined.

Note, though, that my Christianity means that I specifically SHOULDN'T foist my personal morality on others. I feel real shame that others who use the same label as I do seem to have the opinion that they should get the government to enforce their personal views on everyone else.

TL;DR: In my personal life, I subscribe to quite a bit of the conservative views, but I'm liberal in that I don't think the government gets that privilege.
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Re: Where do you stand politically?
« Reply #73 on: 02 May 2010, 23:27 »
Quote from: Lillith Blackheart on 28 Apr 2010, 19:03
...yet the more they change, the more they stay the same.
I think I just found out why some folks believe in justified homicide :P
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Re: Where do you stand politically?
« Reply #74 on: 03 May 2010, 06:48 »
Quote from: Ashar Kor-Azor on 02 May 2010, 23:27
Quote from: Lillith Blackheart on 28 Apr 2010, 19:03
...yet the more they change, the more they stay the same.
I think I just found out why some folks believe in justified homicide :P
8)


PS: I think "Because (s)he was stupid as shit, your honor" should be valid justification if you can prove it.

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