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Seriphyn

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Caricature vs realism
« on: 20 Dec 2010, 10:03 »

If you've taken a look at this post, then you will see a snippet of fashion from each of the four major races from the test server. The only one that remarkably looks different is the Amarr...otherwise, the overall fashion aesthetic with the Incarna stuff is "post-contemporary"; you can easily see these clothes appearing on the market in 50 years time (hell, much of EVE's domestic technology, spaceside stuff aside, is similarly 'post-contemporary'). This is contrasted against the more flamboyant stuff we have now, pre-Incarna.

I've noticed some people are quite unhappy about this...they much prefer the distinct/caricatured nature of the previous portraits...Amarr in robe, Gallente in plastic, Minmatar in rags, and so on.

Personally, I approve of the move closer to realism, though this is purely based on people's tastes on immersion. I am more immersed in a realistic, alternative universe, others are more immersed in a fantastic, alternative universe. I'll look at the Gallente fashion; on space stations, ships and modern Federation cities, Intakis won't be walking around in robes, and Jin-Mei in ceremonial armour. Even look at Seriphyn's clothing in-game. Seriphyn NEVER wears that, but it's the only thing I could pick. Unless you're in a rural environment, or a traditional setting, the 'modern' fashion style will prevail, or unless you're in a particularly fashionable locale like Crystal Boulevard.

This applies positively to Amarr. If Amarr stuck with robes instead of their embroided jackets/trousers, I think the stereotype of "lolmedieval" would prevail. Now, for me, the Amarr Empire just seems more believable, and not a bunch of priests and monks dancing around on ships, with torches as interior lighting.

In terms of physical looks, right now you can tell when someone's Intaki from Ni-Kunni. IRL, you could not do that. If I stepped outside and pointed to some random white person, he could easily be Polish, not English. For example, you can't tell if I'm north Indian, Arab, Mexican or native American. In fact, I'm neither of those, and am half-white. You can't tell this at all.

I personally welcome the fact that you can't identify someone without studying them intently (ie. skin tose, nose, jaw size etc.). It certainly beats the whole "lolAsian", somewhat outrightly racist caricatures we had going on lol...and the end of Gallente women waiting for the bus in a big rubber dresses, the True Amarr man working in his office cubicle dressed a in a robe and hood, and an Achuran woman doing the dishwashing with an earpiece and monocle.

Another RL example. In India, you have sarees and various headdresses and whatever. People do not wear this day-to-day. The same way you can take an elaborate Scottish kilt; yes, it's still Scottish, but people do not wear that to work. Even in India, a man going to work in a village will put on a pair of trousers, not some elaborate robes that will make us go "Lol indian man".

I think this is CCP's aim...to create a 'realistic' universe. So, personally, I welcome this move, but would be interested in hearing why people disapprove of it.
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Re: Caricature vs realism
« Reply #1 on: 20 Dec 2010, 10:08 »

Eh first you point out that the fashion is all 'post-contemporary' and too near future, then go on to say other aspects are too different from contemporary society and thus unrealistic.
Pick one?
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Re: Caricature vs realism
« Reply #2 on: 20 Dec 2010, 10:10 »

Multi-billionaires, professional soliders, and corprate executives don't dress like they are going to an American dance club in their every day attire.  My Capsuleer doesn't wear clothes he picked up from space wall-mart for three isk.  

 I can see how and why they are trying to go for the  "fire-fly feel" but it just doesn't fit with Capsuleers.
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Re: Caricature vs realism
« Reply #3 on: 20 Dec 2010, 10:23 »

Eh first you point out that the fashion is all 'post-contemporary' and too near future, then go on to say other aspects are too different from contemporary society and thus unrealistic.
Pick one?

I meant to say the NEW fashion is post-contemporary, and the old stuff is racial caricature. I'll edit to clarify
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Re: Caricature vs realism
« Reply #4 on: 20 Dec 2010, 10:36 »

Unless I'm able to change outfits (when they introduce avatars) I'll find it kinda unrealistic wearing the same clothes on a daily basis. Otherwise, yes, I like the less 'flashy' styles they presented.
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Re: Caricature vs realism
« Reply #5 on: 20 Dec 2010, 11:48 »

Funny enough, I suspect that this is all because it's still in development. The clothing has changed a bit during the testing process and I don't think it will launch as-is. And the Jita 4-4 chron alluded to purchaseable clothing (something about 4.6m ISK shoes, IIRC).
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Re: Caricature vs realism
« Reply #6 on: 20 Dec 2010, 12:43 »

WIP it...WIP it good...
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Re: Caricature vs realism
« Reply #7 on: 20 Dec 2010, 14:43 »

Maby you right but, i still think Gallente jackets suck..   :twisted:
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Re: Caricature vs realism
« Reply #8 on: 20 Dec 2010, 17:33 »

I personally am decently happy with the outfits as they are now. I'd rather like certain things back, like the gallente plastic, I probably wouldn't actually use it, but I'd like people to have the option, And no, I don't think Nikita would wear fancy shmancy clothes everyday, she'd most likely wear sweats, spacejeans, or other comfortable clothing that she can throw on after exiting the pod. Cheap and comfortable beats out sophisticated and uncomfortable any day.
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Re: Caricature vs realism
« Reply #9 on: 20 Dec 2010, 18:35 »

Flight suits FTW.
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Re: Caricature vs realism
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Re: Caricature vs realism
« Reply #11 on: 20 Dec 2010, 20:31 »

Flight suits FTW.

I don't think CCP wants to up the ESRB rating from T to M.

Also, in before references to latex fetishes. ;)
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Re: Caricature vs realism
« Reply #12 on: 20 Dec 2010, 20:50 »

I don't know that I would characterize non-western-post-contemporary clothing as 'caricatured'.

There are many places where people still wear the clothing that is primarily influenced by their culture, rather than clothing from more widespread, outside cultures.

I would also suggest that the comparison between RL and Eve, in this particular case, might not hold that well. Other cultures on earth have their clothing influenced largely via the influx of western culture and globalization.

In Eve (possibilities of Gallente cultural imperialism aside) I don't see that as necessarily being the case. I don't think an Amarr Holder is going to feel like he should dress like a Gallente business man. I would be surprised if, beyond broad, practical issues (pants, of whatever style, might be more common than robes for inside stations and offices) clothing in any part of the cluster was more influenced by outside culture than inside culture.

The exception might be the Republic, where they don't, after all, have a ton to work with.

The State and Federation might even still have some lingering fashion cross-pollination dating from before the war, but I expect it would be tenuous.

People in the 'elite' in particular might even be more likely to wear 'traditional' clothing, whether or not it is still the every-day wear for most people. That's more of a symbolism thing, and so a separate issue.

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Re: Caricature vs realism
« Reply #13 on: 20 Dec 2010, 22:09 »

Flight suits FTW.

I don't think CCP wants to up the ESRB rating from T to M.

I was more referring to something fairly realistic, believe it or not. More like:



than CCP's own proposed:



or even:

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Re: Caricature vs realism
« Reply #14 on: 20 Dec 2010, 22:15 »

I approve of CCP's version.

Though it'd be nice to have a realistic option too.

Glad I could help. :D
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