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[scagga]

Err, did I miss out on the distinction between Amarrad and Amarrish?

[Tagera]

Yes.....I would definitely agree that quite a bit of the Amarr language is main Persian base with lots of other influences. I don't think people realize how many languages have actually taken from the original Persian language. Mediterranean ones especially along with maybe several European ones due to cultural exchange from trade. I wonder if CCP added in any Akkadian also even though it hasn't really been natively spoken in a few thousand years or so.

[Horatius Caul]

Err, did I miss out on the distinction between Amarrad and Amarrish?

They have the same roots, but Amarrad is older - like French and Latin.

The effort to build Amarrad could really benefit from someone who knows languages like arabic and persian. I've been trying to incorporate as much arabic and persian stuff as I can, but it's difficult without useful transliteration services. If you have ideas to expand the glossary or the grammar, don't hesitate to post here.

[scagga]

Err, did I miss out on the distinction between Amarrad and Amarrish?

They have the same roots, but Amarrad is older - like French and Latin.

The effort to build Amarrad could really benefit from someone who knows languages like arabic and persian. I've been trying to incorporate as much arabic and persian stuff as I can, but it's difficult without useful transliteration services. If you have ideas to expand the glossary or the grammar, don't hesitate to post here.

Thanks for the feedback, will do.

This thread reminded me of a short animation I made of scagga 'speaking amarrish' a few years ago.

See here:

[Mitara Newelle]

Err, did I miss out on the distinction between Amarrad and Amarrish?

They have the same roots, but Amarrad is older - like French and Latin.

The effort to build Amarrad could really benefit from someone who knows languages like arabic and persian. I've been trying to incorporate as much arabic and persian stuff as I can, but it's difficult without useful transliteration services. If you have ideas to expand the glossary or the grammar, don't hesitate to post here.

Thanks for the feedback, will do.

This thread reminded me of a short animation I made of scagga 'speaking amarrish' a few years ago.

See here:

I love it!

[Horatius Caul]

People are settling back into their routines after the exhausting tempest of Fanfest, so I bring refreshing treats!

Been working on pieces of this for a while, and recently hammered out the final parts. Don't do lyrics that often, and this probably deserves a few edits still. Even so, I've gone through translation to see if it works in Amarrad...

CUE MUSIC!

WE FIGHT PROUD FOR THE HOLDER - ENGLISH LYRICS

We fight proud for the Holder
We fight proud for Him-On-High
We fight proud for the Holder
Give our lives for Great Amarr

We fight proud for the Holder  | Our lot to fight for God
We fight proud for Him-On-High | To gain our place at His Abode
We fight proud for the Holder  | To give our lives for Great Amarr
Give our lives for Great Amarr | Lay our souls in Care of Fate

                                 To give our lives for Great Amarr
                                 Our flesh, our soul, our faith, our blood
We fight proud for the Holder  | To gain our place at His Abode
We fight proud for Him-On-High | To stand beside the Heav'nly Throne

We fight proud for the Holder  | Give our lives for Great Amarr
Give our lives for Great Amarr | To stand beside the Heav'nly Throne

WE FIGHT PROUD FOR THE HOLDER - AMARRAD LYRICS

Aman sah murid in e Sahibe
Aman sah murid in hubrana-meza
Aman sah murid in e Sahibe
amarr khaien in e Vaiach Amarr

Aman sah murid in e Sahibe     | murid in Dei amarr ezem
Aman sah murid in hubrana-meza | vatkhad cheto mojem Hed-Imla
Aman sah murid in e Sahibe     | ihyn khaien in e Vaiach Amarr
amarr khaien in e Vaiach Amarr | for Tetios ruhnen veda

                               | ihyn khaien in e Vaiach Amarr
                               | Insan, emun, sabik amarr
Aman sah murid in e Sahibe     | vatkhad cheto mojem Hed-Imla
Aman sah murid in hubrana-meza | vamam yania e Hubrana-taht

Aman sah murid in e Sahibe     | amarr khaien in e Vaiach Amarr
amarr khaien in e Vaiach Amarr | vamam yania e Hubrana-taht

The song would have a choir and a solist (choir on the left, solist on the right above), likely a boy's choir and a mature male vocalist. It's a Kameira psalm, highlighting their position of servitude and their struggle to approach God in their grisly duty.

[Seriphyn]

Omnomnomnom.

[DrizzCat]

Epic - Now we need to get a Choir to Sing it.

[scagga]

It reads very nicely old chap, stellar work.  One can see the various language origins cooked into the cake

[Horatius Caul]

Coinciding with this thread reaching 1600 views and over 50 posts, the glossary has grown to over 500 words!

Might be time to start cranking out a coherent and consistent grammar...

[Invelious]

I.....love....you?

[Mitara Newelle]

Coinciding with this thread reaching 1600 views and over 50 posts, the glossary has grown to over 500 words!

Might be time to start cranking out a coherent and consistent grammar...

\o/ Horatius!

[Horatius Caul]

Cheers guys!

I wish to once again stress that I don't mean for Amarrad to be a one-man project. If anyone wants to chip in, be it with ideas for single words, phrases or idioms, translations, grammar ideas, PF words I've missed (I'm sure there is at least a couple out there I have overlooked), etc., I would be more than happy to have it.

And again, all feedback is welcome - as long as it's more than "You suck!" or "You rock!" (though I have to admit that the latter does make me feel warm and fuzzy).

[scagga]

I can appreciate that this may complicate things, but at some point, perhaps we could consider working on the

I also have suggestions for the glossary book, to do with cases. 

I presume (please correct me if I'm wrong), that the case you are using there is the nominative (i.e. how it would appear in a dictionary) case.  There are words that you've placed there that in my view sound more like they have been conjugated towards the past tense or to one of the pronoun articles.

e.g.

120. Vakhid = see.  As a farsi/arabic speaker, to me, it sounds like 'he/she saw'.  Vakhidan would sound like 'to see', or 'the faculty of sight'.

There are small spelling/sound suggestions I'd make for certain words, when time permits.

I would strongly suggest you focus on more pronouns - as Amarr culture is very stratified, it is important to have pronouns to address those above, very above, and below us.  It is important to have degrees of politeness that one can use (see the comparison I gave in my earlier long post, where I cited the different persian words for 'trust').

[scagga]

Other suggestions:
- Conjugation in general, what would the rules be to convert the base verbs to conjugate with he, she, it, them, etc?
- Cases - will they feature significantly? 
- Compound words, e.g. gereftanbikar (lit. to be in a state of being taken by work /effectually: busy), peydanih (a lost one, close to peydaneest, which would mean '[it] cannot be found')