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[Katrina Oniseki]

So, from some of you feddies, I'm curious:

What do you think are the reasons the Syndicate has not attempted to colonize planets? Do you think they have skirted the law and simply use proxies to colonize, or are the planets actually barren? What is the Federation Loyalist's rationale for denying The Syndicate access to specific planets to this day? What purpose could that serve? Why has the Syndicate never seemed to challenge that, and even maintained 'good relations'? Why do those unhappy with Federation 'oppression' and former U-Nat policy so rarely question this?

Why are the actions of the U-Nats apologized for (the bombings), but nobody speaks up for the Intaki Exiles who were similarly oppressed and exiled, despite being merely disloyal but not militant? Remember, the militants became Mordu's Legion and fought in the war. The Intaki Exiles (Syndicate) did not. They were simply told to get out and never come back. Why has no reparation or mediation been offered to the Syndicate by the Federation? Are the Syndicate happy with the way things are, or do you think they are still being pressured into it?

[Laurentis Thiesant]

So, from some of you feddies, I'm curious:

What do you think are the reasons the Syndicate has not attempted to colonize planets? Do you think they have skirted the law and simply use proxies to colonize, or are the planets actually barren? What is the Federation Loyalist's rationale for denying The Syndicate access to specific planets to this day? What purpose could that serve? Why has the Syndicate never seemed to challenge that, and even maintained 'good relations'? Why do those unhappy with Federation 'oppression' and former U-Nat policy so rarely question this?

Why are the actions of the U-Nats apologized for (the bombings), but nobody speaks up for the Syndicate who were similarly oppressed and exiled? Why has no reparation or mediation been offered to the Syndicate by the Federation? Are the Syndicate happy with the way things are, or do you think they are still being pressured into it?

Station owners are happy with their monopoly on power? Happy to keep people on a station, part of the interstellar economy, and as the primary voice of the people? They can do this without Gallente sanction, who are likely to be one of their largest markets (especially with the noted trend towards greater cooperation).

Everything works in the Status Quo for them, so why risk bring it to the forefront of the minds of the powers-that-be?
 

I don't know, keen to hear suggestions. Laurentis is currently doing some stuff with Syndicate owners, so yeah.

[Vikarion]

There's another factor as well: it may simply be cheaper to live in space. Yes, space restrictions and so forth, but there's also no environment but what you make. You have advanced hydroponics for food, air, and water, and access to raw materials (asteroids, comets) is actually easier. Transportation is a breeze. Trash disposal? That's what gravity wells are for. And you don't need a rocket or space elevator for anything. Frankly, once you have gravity manipulation and shielding technology, space colonization is a breeze.

[Vic Van Meter]

Not to mention that you're mobile in space.  You can't move a planetary colony to another planet when it looks like the situation is taking a turn for the worse.  In space?  Strap an engine on and just move the whole colony.  Imagine if Detroit could just fly to China to stock their factories.

[Elmund Egivand]

Not to mention that you're mobile in space.  You can't move a planetary colony to another planet when it looks like the situation is taking a turn for the worse.  In space?  Strap an engine on and just move the whole colony.  Imagine if Detroit could just fly to China to stock their factories.

Intaki are Buddhist Quarians.

[Caellach Marellus]

Part of it for me is, while alluded to, it's never been entirely clear (with some "make your own interpretation" ) as to the reasons the select 5,000 or so were exiled for. It's hinted they were dissenters with capacity for violence but not much more, Syndicate is pushed as "The place people go when they can't get into the Federation" and considering how open the Federation is, it makes you wonder what these people did to be such undesirables.

The fact the State never took these people in themselves (while they were entirely happy to accept other Intaki help and form the Legion) lends weight to that theory.

As far as repartitions go, the fact they've gone further into a criminal lifestyle, working with various smaller terrorist groups, as well as the Serpentis means there's little chance they'll ever be accepted back, they're a full blown criminal organisation.

Keeping them off the planet side means they're easier to keep in check for the Federation, it's not a holiday they got sent off on, it's a penal colony. It doesn't need guards because the stations limit their potential capacity, they can't grow unchecked to become another giant pirate organisation. It's draconian, but the Federation aren't being nasty to nice people with this, they're dealing with criminal scum. If any other Faction/Pirate faction combination had the potential to keep them under check (with the exception of the Amarr who would wipe them clean in a purge most likely) the outcome would be largely the same.

The other pirate factions also base themselves much further out into 0.0 than "I can jump into highsec from here!" Syndicate, they're further away from the direct reach of the Empires, whereas Syndicate is just a jump over from highsec Placid, and 4 jumps from Villore.

[GoGo Yubari]

So, from some of you feddies, I'm curious:

What do you think are the reasons the Syndicate has not attempted to colonize planets? Do you think they have skirted the law and simply use proxies to colonize, or are the planets actually barren? What is the Federation Loyalist's rationale for denying The Syndicate access to specific planets to this day? What purpose could that serve? Why has the Syndicate never seemed to challenge that, and even maintained 'good relations'? Why do those unhappy with Federation 'oppression' and former U-Nat policy so rarely question this?

Why are the actions of the U-Nats apologized for (the bombings), but nobody speaks up for the Intaki Exiles who were similarly oppressed and exiled, despite being merely disloyal but not militant? Remember, the militants became Mordu's Legion and fought in the war. The Intaki Exiles (Syndicate) did not. They were simply told to get out and never come back. Why has no reparation or mediation been offered to the Syndicate by the Federation? Are the Syndicate happy with the way things are, or do you think they are still being pressured into it?

They have not colonized planets because they are restricted by the Federation from doing this. I think the reasoning is actually rather obvious: it is about access to resources and because they didn't want them to develop into an empire. Why create something like that on your doorstep? Especially considering the Intaki and the situation in which the Syndicate was formed.

However, the relationship between the Federation and the Syndicate is probably not quite as simple or even actually as straightforwardly bad as the usual separatist and Federal argumentation go ahead describing.

Some folks in the Federation are actually quite happy that such a shady border zone exists through which they can access illegal goods and conduct business. It isn't only going to be restricted to simply full-blown organized criminal elements, either. There's gonna be business men skirting the edges of the law, intelligence agencies operating in the shadows, the wealthy and powerful acquiring whatever they want and Gallente students on spring break.

The Intaki Syndicate also provides a needed neutral middle and meeting ground for everyone. It's intereting in that sense that it is pretty much 0.0 light for folks wanting to get in on that action, so it can also be a place where capsuleers from different realms meet.

So, I actually think that on both sides of the fence - the Syndicate and the Federation - there are plenty of folks (including very influential folks) who actually want to keep things as they are. Hence, very little has been done to change the status quo. Obviously, we've seen that occasionally some politician runs with the agenda of "let's clean up Syndicate space", but as far as we know none of those candidates have won.

I wouldn't also call Syndicate a full blown criminal organization, though certainly it can be debated, especially with Santimona Sarpati's growing influence. That is a recent development, though. Also, make note that the Syndicate is actually not an entirely lawless area (the faction does have laws, just not resources to implement them in their space,).

It is important to note that the Syndicate is not a centralized nation, but a decentralized string of individual stations, which may exhibit varying features.

Also, for the doubters there's one thing that may blow your mind if you're not already aware of it. The corporation info sheet for the Intaki Syndicate lists the the President as their partner.

The fact the State never took these people in themselves (while they were entirely happy to accept other Intaki help and form the Legion) lends weight to that theory.

There is nothing to indicate that they wanted to join the Caldari in fighting. Considering their overall pacifist nature, it is safe to assume that not everyone opposing the war wanted to join the fighting. The Intaki exiles seem indicative of a parallel trend in Intaki opposition to the war.

[Lyn Farel]

It's worth remembering that while the Intaki Syndicate was initially a nation of exiles, it soon turned into a criminal paradise ruled by some kind of space yakuzas leaded by Silphy En'Diabel (sp ?), ex SOE member, ruling like a Queen on the organization and enforcing the lack of local laws much like Omega in Mass Effect. To my eyes Syndicate turns out to be a mix between Mass Effect Omega (in how it's ruled and controled) and Mass Effect Illium (in its relations with the Federation).

[Andreus Ixiris]

It should also be noted that if you talk to the Intaki Syndicate event actor, they actually care about what the Federation did far, far less than any Caldari who ever brings up the Intaki Syndicate. The last time she was in a public channel, several people were trying to bait an argument with Andreus by bringing up how horrible the Federation was in front of her, which she completely shot down by saying "pshhh. They're just rocks. We don't need them."

[Alain Colcer]

I would consider the following:

5000 humans, former federation inhabitants, exiled outside federation borders. No politician would have allowed himself to put all those people into a planet and forget about them......so in what could only be labeled as an humanitarian aid, a couple of space stations are built for these exiles to live on.

Yeah sure, restrict them for ever setting foot on the planets themselves.....but a couple of space stations up there with access to hangars, trade ports and basic facilities? you just got yourself a nice little gold nugget in your corner of space.

Space trade began to flourish, and with it, the ability to acquire and provide those goods the Federation would not dare to touch.....or even mention.....perfect solution for a hedonist society with taste of excitment....

Albeit the PF clearly states the Federation forbid them to colonize planets in the beginning, i would consider that restriction was made obsolete in the last 50 years, they are after all a recognized sovereign nation under CONCORD....station governorns maintain autonomy, but i bet the colonies now answer to the station managers in some degree or another.


The only thing that i consider rather odd, is how long they have chosen to stay silent on the different conflicts happening across the cluster.....its like they are afraid to take "any" side......and for me is rather clear they should at least try to align themselves with the Federation, rather than with Serpentis or ORE (already a serpentis subsidiary).

anyways.....the syndicate is what i consider a not-fully fledged NPC faction.

[GoGo Yubari]

It should also be noted that if you talk to the Intaki Syndicate event actor, they actually care about what the Federation did far, far less than any Caldari who ever brings up the Intaki Syndicate. The last time she was in a public channel, several people were trying to bait an argument with Andreus by bringing up how horrible the Federation was in front of her, which she completely shot down by saying "pshhh. They're just rocks. We don't need them."

Yeah, I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Intaki Syndicate was the first iteration of (and also the lore-based precedent for) what would later become the 0.0 capsuleer empires.

[Andreus Ixiris]

People keep forgetting that this is the Intaki Syndicate. The reaction of a great many Intaki to a problem is to wait a lifetime or three and see if it goes away. I've always found it an interesting contrast: the Amarrians are terribly impatient and desperate because their religion convinces them if they don't get the Great Work done in their lifetime, they might go to Hell. The Intaki religion makes them incredibly, inconceivably patient because they have the entire span of humanity's existence to get their own Great Work done. If the Syndicate has a plan for the cluster (and let's face it - everyone has a plan for the cluster), they're in no hurry. Their plans might outlive their current body, but that's fine. There's new ones being made every day, and their soul is eternal.

They're laid-back, intelligent, quiet, and deeply, deeply patient. Nothing lasts forever, but some things last a very long time.

[Louella Dougans]

there is no Hell in the amarr religion.

[Arista Shahni]

there is no Hell in the amarr religion.

QFE

"Hell" is a belief held by Equilibrium of Mankind and it's not called "hell", it just includes lots of burning.

Also your average True Amarr is also already Blessed, in essence they have little to worry about.  They just keep training Scriptures V and and don't replace it with  Bodyshots IV or Chery Stem Knotting 3 and they're set.  Or something.

[Lyn Farel]

The Amarr empire has always been described in PF as the most patient and stable where their philosophy often means being able to wait for decades or centuries for things to happen, and plan stuff not on weeks or months like everybody, but on years and centuries. Their extended lifespans also contribute to that factor. Their faith is what keeps them believing that as long as they act according to God rules and plan, things will turn their way eventually. They do not need to hurry.

On this, they are not much different from the Intaki, only in their beliefs and why they think that way.