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[Boma Airaken]

I could agree with that, but its a problem with pirate factions because:

Its a problem with many factions. There are 24th Crusade capsuleers who have a perfect 10.0 with the 24th Crusade and extremely high Amarr standing as well who never left their Impairor much less ever shot a gun in their career.

And Miz, you don't take like Archbishop seriously IC? He aids the Amarr loyalist through industry and sermons rather than doing missions (his Amarr standing is 0.38). Really?

I think people should lighten up on the whole standings issue as far as indication of RP loyalty. It is mostly a mission record, and with the possibility to share mission rewards, a flawed mission record.

People want standings to mean something, at least more than it does. I can understand it. But in most cases it really doesn't. A loyalist doesn't need to run mission to be a loyalist anymore than an alliance leader needs to a good PvP record to be an good leader.

Great point Merdaneth, since you said "in most cases" could you elaborate a bit on the odd cases where it does mean something, in your opinion?

[Merdaneth]

Great point Merdaneth, since you said "in most cases" could you elaborate a bit on the odd cases where it does mean something, in your opinion?

There are a few instances that people got their standings raised for specific (in-space) act of support of some cause or faction (like helping defend the Imperial Apocalypse I believe). Recently we had an incident where Sansha supporters got their standings lowered after aiding a Sansha attack while a CCP actor was in space.

Today CCP is able to use medals, which are a far nicer and more RP friendly tool to indicate that you've contributed to some cause, if you ask me.

If the Republic hands Miz a medal as a 'staunch defender of the Republic' for specific in-game action, then that's worth something to me IC. I wouldn't even look twice at her standings to determine loyalty, although it would indicate to me what mission she has run. And I can always ask about that.

Standings do give information, and they can be used in RP for sure. They just provide very little *loyalty* information and using them as a yardstick for loyalty is not my thing.

[Boma Airaken]

Yeah it wasn't standings. Me and Koronakesh got our security status changed to -6.00 for that particular event, and it still pisses me off it didn't stick.

I definetly see where you are coming from though and your outlook makes a lot of sense.

What about people deliberately trashing individual corp standings? I ask because that is our project at the moment. Any examples of people doing this in the past? We like it because it is 100% consequences for no material or monetary gain, unlike grinding standings up.

[Kazzzi]

I once made an effort to nuke my Amarr standings. It was a pita. If it wasn't for the fact I was on house arrest for three months with nothing to do other than play eve, it never woulda happened as much as it did.

If you want standings, you simply must pve grind, which is lame for casual pvp-centric players. Even with data centers, you still need to pve a bit to use them all.

[Silas Vitalia]

Boma/Koro's suprise nuking of the Minmatar Fleet Admiral actor during the Sansha event still ranks as one of my absolute favorite in game curveballs. 

Absolutely fantastic and always brings a smile to my face when I think about it.


Revised standings code would only be a small bandaid on some issues that we'd always have trouble solving.

For example were any of this 'real' no one saying anything disparaging about the Empress or the Empire would be able to dock in an Imperial station without facing an armed boarding party after docking.  Vice versa no imperial loyalists would be allowed near any Matari stations without being blown to bits.

Perhaps I'll start a thread on the topic.
 

[Boma Airaken]

Boma/Koro's suprise nuking of the Minmatar Fleet Admiral actor during the Sansha event still ranks as one of my absolute favorite in game curveballs. 

Absolutely fantastic and always brings a smile to my face when I think about it.


Revised standings code would only be a small bandaid on some issues that we'd always have trouble solving.

For example were any of this 'real' no one saying anything disparaging about the Empress or the Empire would be able to dock in an Imperial station without facing an armed boarding party after docking.  Vice versa no imperial loyalists would be allowed near any Matari stations without being blown to bits.

Perhaps I'll start a thread on the topic.
 

This sir, is the way I wish things were as well.