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[lallara zhuul]

I have Mordus at +5 and I have never ran missions for the State

[Casiella]

The connections skills aren't going to get removed, actually, that changed again. Soundwave or somebody mentioned it briefly, though of course that could change one MORE time between now and then.

[Morwen Lagann]

You should be able to reverse Mordu's standing by working for the Caldari State.

The change to low-quality L1 agent access was intended specifically as a way to prevent requiring people to faff about with the derived standings system.

[Borza]

No. Grinding standings doesn't get someone IC respect for me. OOC I respect them for their tenacity and their willingness to make an OOC sacrifice to prop up some game statistic, but I consider faction standings by and large meaningless as a gauge of loyalty for a respective faction.

Agreed.

[Silas Vitalia]

Flip things around: can you claim to be loyal to a faction if you regularly shoot their stuff?

I'm on the fence.  If pirate factions were easier to gain standings for I'd be more interested in supporters of those factions having relevant standings.  

It adds credibility but you have to take it with a grain of salt, as some newer RPer that wants to be say, a blood raider, most likely does not have the resources to run out to 0.0 and grind Blood Raider missions to back their story, and nor should they have to.

Working missions and general high-sec activities should not be a crutch or a requirement for anyone's RP.  

Standings are already screwed up as it is.

Khanid Kingdom NPCs will shoot Silas in Kingdom space for sec status reasons, but I think I still hover around +9.0 standings from when I was running missions in the region. I'm not about to waste time coming up with some convoluted reasoning to explain that, etc.

Long story short use it as a backup to flesh things out if you like but never as a necessity.

[Saede Riordan]

Yeah, Merd and Silas sum up my opinions on the matter nicely.

[Svetlana Scarlet]

I don't care as much about standings, but if you are claiming to be an evil pirate while grinding missions for the Caldari Navy or whatever, I find it very hard to take you seriously. If you simply don't have the standings or they are a relic from your past, meh whatever. I judge people on actions, not really what numbers say.

That said, I wish standings mattered a lot more in the game (and I find it ridiculous that I as a Caldari FW member can stage out of Federation stations -- including the FDU's stations).

[Kazzzi]

Standings involve NPC/PVE interaction. NPCs and PVE aren't realistic even in a thousands of years into the future perspective. It's pretty flawed and I don't feel standings should be considered fundamentally sacrosanct.

Standings are based on extremely old unfinished code. Perhaps one day if standings are changed to a more dynamic system, I'll take them more seriously. Until then, they are an occasional fun thing to mention and casually play with.

[Ken]

I think we're straying from Boma's original question here.  Yep, standings are broken, unrealistic, etc.  The question was whether you consider someone who, working within the imperfect system, grinds/trashes standings for RP purposes worthy of note.

[Casiella]

Seems to me that the consensus is that having them is good, but not having them may not be bad.

[Invelious]

If you truly want to test the loyalty of someone who is "loyal" to one of the main four factions. Send them plexing in the militia and set the objective of trying to claim a system.

If they come back victorious, welcome them with open arms because they have done the most boring, and grueling thing you can possibly do in eve in the name of your faction.

The militia plexing system is the true test of ones loyalty.

[Jev North]

I'm not going to consider anyone who doesn't want to grind standing as less worthy of note, roleplay-wise. Missioning is a special sort of torture, and I'll never back anything that'd require people to do it to get roleplay "street cred."

That said, I do respect people who mission for their chosen faction, especially when it's not a trivial job to do so. OOC, it's an accomplishment. In-character, the exact interpretation is a little more (more than a little) muddy, but the least that can be said is that the character's willing to do more than just pay lip service to their chosen masters.

This answer might be slightly self-serving because I'm currently up in Curse doing just this, but there you go.

[Bureeiku]

I agree that it is a difficult enough task to earn OOC respect, and it could be used IC to meld well with whatever storyline you have on the go, but is not necessary for it.

Also, I haven't come across many RP'ers who would give much IC credence to Concord.

[Boma Airaken]

Some really great responses here. Seems to be a really personal issue for people. I like that. I am mostly asking because I am having a pretty heated discussion with a friend on "999 ways to back your shit up with ingame action".

Thanks for all the replies so far. Seems like grinding to GET standings being boring as hell (I totally agree) turns alot of people  off.

[Merdaneth]

I could agree with that, but its a problem with pirate factions because:

Its a problem with many factions. There are 24th Crusade capsuleers who have a perfect 10.0 with the 24th Crusade and extremely high Amarr standing as well who never left their Impairor much less ever shot a gun in their career.

And Miz, you don't take like Archbishop seriously IC? He aids the Amarr loyalist through industry and sermons rather than doing missions (his Amarr standing is 0.38). Really?

I think people should lighten up on the whole standings issue as far as indication of RP loyalty. It is mostly a mission record, and with the possibility to share mission rewards, a flawed mission record.

People want standings to mean something, at least more than it does. I can understand it. But in most cases it really doesn't. A loyalist doesn't need to run mission to be a loyalist anymore than an alliance leader needs to a good PvP record to be an good leader.