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[Boma Airaken]

Just curious about this after trying to make sense of another thread.

*IF* an organization deliberately grinds/trashes standings to give their corporation or alliance more credibility to their RP loyalty/stance, in your opinion are they deserving of more (for lack of a better word) "respect" than if they don't?

Having a hard time phrasing the question at the moment but I think you guys get my drift. NMot really looking for heady analysis of the issue or another discussion of how lame the current standings system is, just honest personal opinion.

Yes/No?

[Casiella]

I think standings that reflect an organization's IC stance can be one way to gain respect or credibility. I just don't think that they're the only ones.

[Ken]

Do I see someone who has taken the time to run the several hundred missions necessary to ensure their standings match their RP as having done something worthy of note?  Yes, especially when we're talking about pirate factions.

Am I willing to accept someone with standings that are neutral or even contradictory to their (strong) professed IC beliefs/politics?  Yes, provided their RP is generally consistent.

[Graanvlokkie]

Do I see someone who has taken the time to run the several hundred missions necessary to ensure their standings match their RP as having done something worthy of note?  Yes, especially when we're talking about pirate factions.

Am I willing to accept someone with standings that are neutral or even contradictory to their (strong) professed IC beliefs/politics?  Yes, provided their RP is generally consistent.

I have to agree with Ken.

[Akikio L]

Yes  

It shows commitment for your chosen path. I agree with the other posts in that it's not required for credibilty but it does add to it.

[Merdaneth]

No. Grinding standings doesn't get someone IC respect for me. OOC I respect them for their tenacity and their willingness to make an OOC sacrifice to prop up some game statistic, but I consider faction standings by and large meaningless as a gauge of loyalty for a respective faction.

[Louella Dougans]

Sometimes.

It depends on what they do with the standings.

Someone with +10 to Federal Intelligence who claims to have access to every piece of information across the Federation = 

Someone with +1 to Federal Intelligence, but only makes statements that seem entirely believeable, and doesn't claim to know what Souro Foiritain said to Mentas Blaque in a meeting they had in a sealed room = 

[Merdaneth]

Sometimes.

It depends on what they do with the standings.

It just tends to cause trouble to take standings into consideration. If someone does post something believable concerning Federal secret intelligence, I believe them no matter their standing.

If someone has a high standing, and posts some secret Federal intelligence, how do you explain standings moving not one inch as a result of that? Federal intelligence doesn't look at the IGS? It wasn't important intelligence in the first place?

I have high Rep. Fleet standing, despite me shooting down their ships *for years* in FW. If they don't dislike me for killing millions of their people, but do dislike me for helping the Amarr Navy in a mission that removes Angels from Republic space, what gives?

Standings just cause trouble for RP as far as I'm concerned.

[Saede Riordan]

I think the standings as a thing are just nice to have. Unless the standings system gets a major overhaul its unreasonable to ask that people have standings to their factions, and missioning is boring, if you don't mind the mission grind, then by all means run some missions and grind up standings with your chosen faction. I'd give people with good faction standings (pirates in particular) a pat on the back, but I doubt I could do much else then that.

[Mizhara]

I look at it a bit differently. If you have no positive standings with the faction you proclaim championing, I can't take it IC seriously, nor OoC seriously since it means you can't even be arsed working a little to back up your RP with measurable in-space effects.

[Saede Riordan]

I look at it a bit differently. If you have no positive standings with the faction you proclaim championing, I can't take it IC seriously, nor OoC seriously since it means you can't even be arsed working a little to back up your RP with measurable in-space effects.

I could agree with that, but its a problem with pirate factions because:

1. Most people go into the pirate faction game having mission ran in the past and therefore having shit standings with their faction, and since the angels and the guristas are the only factions with epic arcs, its really hard to claw your way out of a standings hole once you're in it.

2. Nullsec is unfriendly. I have positive angel standings, and the more times I run the epic arc and the more missions I run, the more paranoid I get there. By the end of the epic arc, I'm always so high strung I'm physically shaking. Even though I'm in an unimplanted clone and a cheaply fit retribution. And I know that a lot of people can't deal with that stress as well as I can.

3. A lot of people need to mission run for isk, and if they can't live in nullsec, then they've got to keep running missions for highsec factions, which will slowly whittle down their faction standings.

4. Other then a pretty little symbol and a number, there is absolutely no tangible benefit to standings, it means nothing its just a sticker.

[Invelious]

To me it all depends on the organisation you are with. If the corp requirement is that you are to have a specific standing with a corp or faction, and you go out and do what you must to prove your dedication to that group. Then I can see a certain level of consideration that can be given IC to that player for his hard work put in.

[Casiella]

The standings system may not have had a complete overhaul, but with the change to low-level agent requirements, that problem is overcome.

And yes, that means you may have to take a long time to recover standings and prove your loyalty to your newfound faction. This strikes me as fairly immersive.

Flip things around: can you claim to be loyal to a faction if you regularly shoot their stuff?

[Morwen Lagann]

The standings system may not have had a complete overhaul, but with the change to low-level agent requirements, that problem is overcome.

Not true, for some factions. Mordus don't have L1 agents of zero or lower quality, so it's entirely possible to completely lock yourself out of missioning for them.

I'm actually quite concerned as to how the removal of connections skills and agent quality is going to affect that change.

[orange]

You should be able to reverse Mordu's standing by working for the Caldari State.