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Mebrithiel

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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #45 on: 14 Apr 2011, 11:52 »

You're a few kilometers deep in the superstructure of a titan, operating a reactor. Suddenly, you get hit by wave motion guns or whatever. End of story?


the story of a crewmen trying to escape as a titan falls apart around them would actually be rather interesting.

Totally doing that lol!
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #46 on: 15 Apr 2011, 07:18 »

Well not even all of a capital sized ship is destroyed when the ship is "killed."  Capitals leave behind rather in-shape wrecks where it's quite easy to see just by looking at it what kind of ship it was.  As opposed to sub-caps, where the only thing left behind is a tristed scrap of metal bearing no resemblance to a ship at all.

Seeing how this is the case, I don't think the entire ship would be destroyed and/or exposed to the vaccum of space, no?  Just enough of it is burnt/wrecked that it's useless.
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #47 on: 15 Apr 2011, 07:25 »

You're a few kilometers deep in the superstructure of a titan, operating a reactor. Suddenly, you get hit by wave motion guns or whatever. End of story?


the story of a crewmen trying to escape as a titan falls apart around them would actually be rather interesting.

It would be a pretty short story.

Likewise, all those month long cruises spaceships supposedly go on - where are they?

Makes me think if Eve time is actually not directly proportional to RL time. That's an idea I've been quietly thinking about for a long time, but I've never seen it come up. Of course, it's an impossible idea, but one wonders where game mechanics = in-game reality and where they aren't.
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #48 on: 15 Apr 2011, 15:51 »

I for one am grateful this information was released. It's more of a leaked picture though. I think a CCP dude mentioned a more official disclosure though?
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #49 on: 16 Apr 2011, 04:36 »

I worked on some boats for a while up here.

I wonder if the engineering sections of dreads and titans are similar. Massive reactors deep in the hull. It is kind of the same as a boat going down in water. We pretty much were told that if we were working in the engine room (we didn't just work there we fucking slept there) when the shit hit the fan we were hosed.
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #50 on: 16 Apr 2011, 06:45 »

Can anybody give a detailed crew complement of an Aircraft Carrier, a Sub and a Destroyer?

As for the variability in crew, it might make a huge difference if you man your ship for 24/7 operations, or just for small missions.

Also considering on-board repairs are normally impossible (sans special modules), and command crew largely unneccessary, I expect there only to be regular maintenance crew, and crew that services the maintenance crew.
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #51 on: 16 Apr 2011, 08:42 »

Can anybody give a detailed crew complement of an Aircraft Carrier, a Sub and a Destroyer?

Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier
Ship's company: 3,200
Air wing: 2,480
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz-class_aircraft_carrier

Ohio class Ballistic Missile Submarines
Crew: 15 Officers, 140 Enlisted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio-class_submarine

Ticonderoga-class cruiser  (Best class in the fleet, Hooyah!)
33 officers, 27 Chief Petty Officers, and approx. 340 enlisted

(But you really only need about twenty Electronics Technicians, since they do everything anyway.)

Arleigh Burke class destroyer
23 officers, 300 enlisted
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arleigh_Burke_class_destroyer

Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate
Complement:    176
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Hazard_Perry_class_frigate
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #52 on: 16 Apr 2011, 11:33 »

For British frigates and destroyers...

40% warfare (navigation, combat, seamanship)
20% marine engineering
15% weapons engineering
20% logistics (catering, stewards, stores etc.)
5% other (medical, chaplaincy etc)

This is very very rough and not to be taken universally.

Navigation will normally consist of a navigating officer and an officer of the watch, with ratings (enlisted ranks) on radar, comms, helm etc. Seamanship includes ropes, upper deck duties and manning the guns, and has no officers in charge. Combat has one or two officers overlooking the ops room (or CIC).

Logistics has an officer and a deputy officer. Ratings will fill the roles of cooks, stewards and general logisticians. Engineering has an officer, a deputy officer and two assistant officers. Weapons engineering can include information systems. I do not know non-officer structure as that is a completely different world to mine.

Some things might surprise people though. Submarines only have one medic, an officer I think, and they will not be equipped to deal with serious injuries
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #53 on: 18 Apr 2011, 07:59 »

One thing to consider might be length of deployment - capsuleer ships usually dock in a station every night, whereas navy vessels could be expected to be out in space for weeks and months on end. On the other hand, capsuleer ships that are going to be hanging out in wormholes for days and weeks and months, or the handful of remaining nullsec roamers that live out of their ships in hostile territory (do they still exist anymore? Last people I heard of doing that were U'K in the cloaky vagabonds).

So, for example, a mission boat that's going to dock every hour and overnight might have a different crew (relative to maximum) than a carrier that's never going to leave its home wormhole.
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #54 on: 20 Apr 2011, 20:17 »

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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #56 on: 21 Apr 2011, 01:19 »

I've just put the final info onto the EM forum. The first response came back with data:

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Changes to prior PF:
- Minmatar used to have among the smallest crew complements, Caldari the largest (Apocalypse 6314 deaths in an incident, so more, Tempest 6500, Megathron 6900, Raven 7400)
- Frigates used to be pilotable without crew (*major* change)
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #57 on: 21 Apr 2011, 01:23 »

Is the crew of one the capsuleer alone? If yes, then that'd be exactly the same as the old blueprints, where all the other mentioned frigates have a crew of one, and the Punisher has a crew of three. (Admitted, the given ratios would suggest that capsuleer Rifters, for example, would usually carry two crewmen on top of the capsuleer.) Actually there's a concrete number on one ship we know: The Reaper, if I remember correctly, has a crew of one.

Because the information, while certainly Prime Fiction, is still very, very coarse, as well. Minmatar, in specific, mentions "advanced designs". I'd assume that specific designs use a lot more of crew (EW, scanning etc.) compared to, say, Slashers which essentially are a few guns and a missile launcher slapped on an engine.
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #58 on: 21 Apr 2011, 03:11 »

Read CCP Delegate Zero's post

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Do take note of the word 'guidelines'. This information is not intended to be prescriptive or constraining on your imaginations as players. The entry discusses typical situations but New Eden is a diverse world and capsuleers are among the most diverse of its inhabitants.

Not every aspect of crewing is dealt with either. Some questions you have raised are best left in the realm of your imaginations.

So, investing some extra ISK into an android/drone to fill in the crew slots for a frigate? Perfectly acceptable.
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Re: Did anyone post this pic yet?
« Reply #59 on: 21 Apr 2011, 03:51 »

Seri, you can do it as soon as you can buy them in-game.
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