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[Casiella]

Saw a dev post (CCP T0rfi, I think) explaining it as a design limitation of the engine.

[Seriphyn]

Ah, that sucks. Seriphyn is heighted humbly at 5'10, which is fine for me I guess.

I don't like the monstrously tall 7 foot characters anyway

[Saede Riordan]

Besides, capsuleers have apparently a limited set of tastes in hairstyles, which in my view has a significant effect. And the fact that the engine doesn't support varying heights will only make this worse.

Is it a case of engine limitation or no feature implemented?

From what I understand, its the scaling complexity that would arise from multiple heights. With everyone the same height you can build clothing the same way, using basically cut and paste poly models with differing textures.

[Casiella]

Damn shame, too, for those of us playing 4'11" (150cm) tall characters. >.<

[Seriphyn]

Ah yeah, 4' 11" is far more believable and common, at least by RL standard. Shame...

[Crucifire]

My fear with scaling heights, as I remember posting a while back in a dev blog feedback thread to the chagrin of many players, is that most players just take their height to max or minimum anyways. Ever played Phantasy Star Online or, even worse, Aion? It's almost all midgets and giants. Screw that. (Except PSO is actually an awesome game)

The common EVE player might be better than that, but it's still a fear I'd have.

[Saede Riordan]

My fear with scaling heights, as I remember posting a while back in a dev blog feedback thread to the chagrin of many players, is that most players just take their height to max or minimum anyways. Ever played Phantasy Star Online or, even worse, Aion? It's almost all midgets and giants. Screw that. (Except PSO is actually an awesome game)

The common EVE player might be better than that, but it's still a fear I'd have.

I think this would be less of an issue in a lot of games if there was some indication of how tall you actually are IE: you move the slider and as you do, it tells you your height in feet and or CM. I know Nikita is 5'4" but I'd probably end up making her near the bottom end of height if there wasn't a way to tell how tall that height actually is.

[Stitcher]

Saw a dev post (CCP T0rfi, I think) explaining it as a design limitation of the engine.

Not quite sure why that would be the case. Animations scale with the length of the bones, being all about angles of rotation in the joints. And the clothes already scale to match how much flesh there is on a character. Honestly, I can't really think of any insurmountable obstacles that would prevent Carbon from handling differing character heights, but then again I'm going just on this one post and what little I know of Carbon from an outside perspective.

That and it's 6:30 am here and I just worked a 13 hour shift, so possibly my brain's not quite firing an all cylinders.

Don't suppose he elaborated? Linky plz?

[Casiella]

Found it.

[Lyn Farel]

Yes technically you just have to resize the bones (and enveloppes) depending on the size of the 3D wireframe and the animation will follow. I don't know what kept them away from doing so.

[Jev North]

Simple scaling works for a figure that doesn't interact with the environment. Things get a lot more complicated very quickly when you want to show e.g. a character typing on a console, and ensure that its fingers are hitting the keyboard, rather than waving about in the air above it or plunged wrist-deep into its innards. Maybe some IK can fix that, but it has its own special headaches, and your engine'd need to be set up to handle it.

[Morwen Lagann]

Maybe some IK can fix that, but it has its own special headaches, and your engine'd need to be set up to handle it.

... I just had flashbacks to my animation course last year. Fucking inverse kinematics, how do they work?

[Stitcher]

Found it.

Thanks. yeah, the way he explained it makes sense.

[Lyn Farel]

Simple scaling works for a figure that doesn't interact with the environment. Things get a lot more complicated very quickly when you want to show e.g. a character typing on a console, and ensure that its fingers are hitting the keyboard, rather than waving about in the air above it or plunged wrist-deep into its innards. Maybe some IK can fix that, but it has its own special headaches, and your engine'd need to be set up to handle it.

Yeah probably due to their own engine I suppose, because it is quite easy to do on more developped usual engines like UDK from what I have heard.

I hope for them their engine will evolve though because that kind of thing is going to definitly annoy them everytime they will try to animate something.

[Casiella]

Yeah, another example of CCP re-inventing the wheel instead of just buying tires at Pep Boys.