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[Julianus Soter]

Perhaps the Intaki separatists just never developed the demographic base to establish large-scale planetary colonies? It would indicate that the number of "dissenters" at the time was a minority of the Federation public.

Otherwise, we'd be looking at station overpopulation and authoritarian population control. Constructing a space outpost is a very expensive way, per capita, to hold and nourish a few thousand wage slaves.

I'm thinking surface outposts are possible by various economic interests, though. I've Rp'ed in the past that Serpentis Corporation uses some of the less-peeked at worlds for various nasty things.

[Myyona]

Are we discussing the Syndicate because the latest chronicle is about them?

Mere coincidence?

[Milo Caman]

Are we discussing the Syndicate because the latest chronicle is about them?

Mere coincidence?

/tinfoilhat

[Saxon Hawke]

Saxon was born aboard a space station in Syndicate space and he goes back there every once in a while.

I have to admit, though, it hasn't always ended well for him and one recent return trip was expedited by a particularly vicious gate ganking that left him sore even in the clone vat.

While Saxon and his family lived aboard the space station entirely, I also find it hard to believe that everyone would. As has been noted the resources required to do so would be epic.

I look at it kind of like this: The Gallente exiled the dissenting Intaki to an unsettled area of wild space and told them not to colonize the planets there. But the Gallente didn't do anything to enforce it. As far as I've seen there is no Gallente military or government presence in Syndicate Space.

So if the Syndicate Intaki were to start colonizing, but kept it covert, it would be difficult for the Gallente to know.

As for overcrowding, I'm not sure what the population of Syndicate Space is. Does anyone have a PF resource that details it?

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the initial Intaki exile population was about 5,000. I couldn't find a timeline that detailed when during the war they were exiled, but it couldn't have been more than 190 years ago.

Over the last 200 years, the Earth has averaged a 1.8 percent population growth annually. If the 5,000 Intaki exiles increased their population at the same rate for 190, they would now number just under 150,000. That does not take into account additional immigrants from other areas and their descendents since the exile, however.

Speaking of the new chron:

She waved dismissively at him and knelt slowly, pulling her long braid of synthetic blond hair behind her shoulder as she ran her hand across the concrete landing platform, tilting her head to examine her palm when it came back covered in a thin layer of dust and small pebbles. Smiling, she stood up and rubbed her hands together, nodding for the entourage to continue on their way to the cathedral’s spaceport terminal a short distance away. Despite the glaring sunlight reflecting off the glass paneled surface, she could see several figures anticipating her arrival near the main entrance.

As she led the group to the terminal, the last two armed escorts established positions near the ship, one of them leaning in closer to the other and whispering, "What was that all about?"

Not taking his gaze off of his responsibility, he whispered back, "It’s been a while for her."

This passage would make it seem that at least a few Syndicate Intaki spend the majority of their time in the sterile environment of a space station.

[Silver Night]

5k seems a very low number, considering the number of space stations. I think it says that it is the descendants of those original 5k that rule the various stations. That suggests that the majority of the population immigrated in later, to me.

You have the 5k's descendants who in large part comprise the ruling class, and then you have everyone else?

Any given station is big enough for hundreds of thousands to millions of people. I suspect the 5k number is a failure to recognize the scale of this stuff, but it's PF, so there you go.

[Casiella]

That 1.8% number seems low in the Syndicate context. The current Earth population takes into account developed places like Europe and Japan with incredibly low fertility rates, not just the developing world with much higher growth. In a "frontier" type of situation, I'd expect it to be much higher than that.

[Saxon Hawke]

That 1.8% number seems low in the Syndicate context. The current Earth population takes into account developed places like Europe and Japan with incredibly low fertility rates, not just the developing world with much higher growth. In a "frontier" type of situation, I'd expect it to be much higher than that.

You have a point, and those rough figures were just for discussion purposes. There are a lot of other factors as well. For example, what were the ages of those who were exiled? One would assume that most, if not all were adults. But what if they had young children. It would take them years to reach reproductive maturity. On the other end of the spectrum, how many were past the age of reproduction?

And then there is the question of gender divisions. Were the exiles an even mix of men and women? Truth be told, political dissidents have a tendency to be males. It could have been that the ratio of men to women would have been ridiculously skewed, perhaps 3 or 4 to 1. That would have hampered growth in the first few generations.

[Syylara/Yaansu]

That 1.8% number seems low in the Syndicate context. The current Earth population takes into account developed places like Europe and Japan with incredibly low fertility rates, not just the developing world with much higher growth. In a "frontier" type of situation, I'd expect it to be much higher than that.

You have a point, and those rough figures were just for discussion purposes. There are a lot of other factors as well. For example, what were the ages of those who were exiled? One would assume that most, if not all were adults. But what if they had young children. It would take them years to reach reproductive maturity. On the other end of the spectrum, how many were past the age of reproduction?

And then there is the question of gender divisions. Were the exiles an even mix of men and women? Truth be told, political dissidents have a tendency to be males. It could have been that the ratio of men to women would have been ridiculously skewed, perhaps 3 or 4 to 1. That would have hampered growth in the first few generations.

Which leads to the next question, if (lets just say) 5000 male dissidents were exiled, did their wives and children willingly follow, etc.  Of course, politically outspoken females can also have spouses and children, so I think the gender issue gets mitigated depending on demographics.

edit: assuming these exiles were among the core of the domestic resistance, would a portion of their "political network" have followed them, as well.

[Silver Night]

Maybe Syndicate was a 'new frontier'? Following the initial wave, why would more people go out there?

Also, what kind of systems of governance do you think the stations have?

[Silver Night]

[mod]Testing to make sure the thread necro warning is disabled. Also, the sort of thread I don't mind seeing revivified. [/mod]

[Ché Biko]

If you do necro your own thread, it wouldn't hurt to fix the link in the OP.

[Silver Night]

CCP broke all my links. 

Edit: Put in a link tot he faction page on the wiki.

[BloodBird]

This is probably the region/political sphere I find most intriguing (as some of my writing might show).

There is a chron about it here. Here is the not-broken wiki link. I'll add more links as they are found.

I think that while in all of Eve there is potential for an incredible diversity across different places, nowhere is it easier to envision than in Syndicate.

I'd like to know what other people think about the place.

Easiest place to find incredible diversity = Various planet-side places in the Fed.

Syndicate is ultimately a large collection of space-stations built by a small group of Intaki 'black-sheep' and their descendants with possibly a few illegal colonies to back them up, colonies that constantly run the risk of being found and wiped off the map by Federation forces. Assuming ofc they give a shit, I don't recall from where, but I think there was a short snippet from somewhere, stating they occasionally go about looking for and possibly 'removing' undesirable settlements. I can't confirm this though.

I've gotten the sense, a long time ago, that the Syndicate is considered to be this small black smear on the Intaki's reputation that they don't like, but much like the former "removes the colonies on discovery" thing I am not sure from where or about it's accuracy. Could be an interesting topic on it's own.

[Valdezi]

I've been becoming quite interested in Intaki Syndicate RP. I'd always hoped Anshar would go that way, but they went more Serpentis before becoming Mercs. The Syndicate seem largely unexplored to me.

[Creep]

The Sandy Cat is my favorite Null region, and one of the cooler factions. It really compliments the Thukker/Angel/Bunny side of things and I love what Silver Night has done with it in his fiction (Silver Night for Eve Illuminati! Make it happen Verone!).

Also, how awesome is it that their security is called the Space Police?