Backstage - OOC Forums
EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Silver Night on 17 Apr 2010, 21:28
-
This is probably the region/political sphere I find most intriguing (as some of my writing might show).
There is a chron about it here (http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=aug01-01). Here is the not-broken wiki link (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Category:The_Syndicate_(Faction)). I'll add more links as they are found.
I think that while in all of Eve there is potential for an incredible diversity across different places, nowhere is it easier to envision than in Syndicate.
I'd like to know what other people think about the place.
-
Suuji Prath's been in there. Says they got good drugs. And Natalcya Katla's from that place, too, the spessnazi XD
On a more serious note, Syndicate's interesting to me because it's a region without colonized planets, which makes it excellent.
This is New Eden's largest spaceborne culture. Eat your heart out, transhumanists.
-
And Natalcya Katla's from that place, too, the spessnazi XD
Katla's from Placid, not Syndicate. She was born in a safespot someplace within the Vivanier system and spent her childhood and youth in the boarding schools of various Federal Navy stations.
She has had several forays into Syndicate, though, first running guns to the Intaki Space Police, and later running the gauntlet to or from Solitude, or hunting Serps while dodging the local capsuleers.
Cosmo Cyrano is the only character I'm aware of who actually is from Syndicate.
-
I've seen a couple here and there. There was one ILF member whose character was a Syndicate native, and I think that EVE Observer guy Joaquin Diabel also has Syndicate in his bio.
-
After moving down to Syndicate I was really happy to find a couple Thukker Mix and Trust Partners stationed scattered around. There does seem to be a decent variety of stations here, though the most common ones by far are the Intaki and Aliastra stations.
Not much else to add yet beyond what the typical corps/alliances you see inhabiting the space are. It's quite varied due to Syndicate's reputation as a place to find fights.
-
Well, Silphy enDiabel(sp?) is the 'Queen of Syndicate' right?
-
I think Casiella started a Syndicate corporation a little while back, but I'm not sure that it went anywhere. The corporation name was Back Alley Trading Company as I remember it. PRETA were thinking of doing some work with them, although I believe it's closed now.
-
It is. :(
-
Good effort anyway, Casiella. Maybe you'll try again next year ;)
-
There are a number of inter-factional corporations with stations in syndicate space.
Quafe Corporation
Aliastra
Ishukone
Trust Partners
NOH
Expert Distribution
TransStellar Shipping
The "virgin planet" deal is entirely unenforceable, IMO. It's entirely likely that many third parties or organizations colonize the various Syndicate planets for the resources located there. They sell them to the Intaki, who then act as brokers with various high-end buyers in the Empires.
-
The "virgin planet" deal is entirely unenforceable, IMO. It's entirely likely that many third parties or organizations colonize the various Syndicate planets for the resources located there. They sell them to the Intaki, who then act as brokers with various high-end buyers in the Empires.
Oh, definitely, and good addition. But the question is, does Intaki society in Syndicate mostly reside in space, and is thus mostly a completely spacer culture?
I think that, despite the odd illegal colony and all the stolen minerals they launder from the planets they orbit, they do reside off-planet and thus are a spacer culture to da max.
-
The "virgin planet" deal is entirely unenforceable, IMO. It's entirely likely that many third parties or organizations colonize the various Syndicate planets for the resources located there. They sell them to the Intaki, who then act as brokers with various high-end buyers in the Empires.
Oh, definitely, and good addition. But the question is, does Intaki society in Syndicate mostly reside in space, and is thus mostly a completely spacer culture?
I think that, despite the odd illegal colony and all the stolen minerals they launder from the planets they orbit, they do reside off-planet and thus are a spacer culture to da max.
Pretty much like the thukkers?
Maybe a more hardcore Intaki RP'er can enlighten me, does this lifestyle have a big impact on their culture. I could imagine that they're more open to new ideas than even the fed's, since they see new faces every day, and, well, a small colony can only support a population for so long ;)
-
Syndicate, to me, is a cesspit full of opportunists and evil russians. I've had the unfortune of living in syndicate / OR for quite some time, and I've raised my security status from -10 to -1.9 about five six times by now so I have a love/hate relationship to the region. I keep the region close to my heart by far away from my jugular.
-
Syndicate, to me, is a cesspit full of opportunists and evil russians. I've had the unfortune of living in syndicate / OR for quite some time, and I've raised my security status from -10 to -1.9 about five six times by now so I have a love/hate relationship to the region. I keep the region close to my heart by far away from my jugular.
Yeah. I once had a group of about 10 bubble camp my (AFK) frigate into a station for about 8 hours. Some of the smack in local when I came back and played docking games here and there was priceless. It's amazing how desperate for kills some of them are.
-
Thukkers are spaceborne by choice; it is perfectly likely they have major enclaves on planets in GW.
-
Perhaps the Intaki separatists just never developed the demographic base to establish large-scale planetary colonies? It would indicate that the number of "dissenters" at the time was a minority of the Federation public.
Otherwise, we'd be looking at station overpopulation and authoritarian population control. Constructing a space outpost is a very expensive way, per capita, to hold and nourish a few thousand wage slaves.
I'm thinking surface outposts are possible by various economic interests, though. I've Rp'ed in the past that Serpentis Corporation uses some of the less-peeked at worlds for various nasty things.
-
Are we discussing the Syndicate because the latest chronicle (http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=19-04-10) is about them?
Mere coincidence?
-
Are we discussing the Syndicate because the latest chronicle (http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=19-04-10) is about them?
Mere coincidence?
/tinfoilhat
-
Saxon was born aboard a space station in Syndicate space and he goes back there every once in a while.
I have to admit, though, it hasn't always ended well for him and one recent return trip was expedited by a particularly vicious gate ganking that left him sore even in the clone vat.
While Saxon and his family lived aboard the space station entirely, I also find it hard to believe that everyone would. As has been noted the resources required to do so would be epic.
I look at it kind of like this: The Gallente exiled the dissenting Intaki to an unsettled area of wild space and told them not to colonize the planets there. But the Gallente didn't do anything to enforce it. As far as I've seen there is no Gallente military or government presence in Syndicate Space.
So if the Syndicate Intaki were to start colonizing, but kept it covert, it would be difficult for the Gallente to know.
As for overcrowding, I'm not sure what the population of Syndicate Space is. Does anyone have a PF resource that details it?
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the initial Intaki exile population was about 5,000. I couldn't find a timeline that detailed when during the war they were exiled, but it couldn't have been more than 190 years ago.
Over the last 200 years, the Earth has averaged a 1.8 percent population growth annually. If the 5,000 Intaki exiles increased their population at the same rate for 190, they would now number just under 150,000. That does not take into account additional immigrants from other areas and their descendents since the exile, however.
Speaking of the new chron:
She waved dismissively at him and knelt slowly, pulling her long braid of synthetic blond hair behind her shoulder as she ran her hand across the concrete landing platform, tilting her head to examine her palm when it came back covered in a thin layer of dust and small pebbles. Smiling, she stood up and rubbed her hands together, nodding for the entourage to continue on their way to the cathedral’s spaceport terminal a short distance away. Despite the glaring sunlight reflecting off the glass paneled surface, she could see several figures anticipating her arrival near the main entrance.
As she led the group to the terminal, the last two armed escorts established positions near the ship, one of them leaning in closer to the other and whispering, "What was that all about?"
Not taking his gaze off of his responsibility, he whispered back, "It’s been a while for her."
This passage would make it seem that at least a few Syndicate Intaki spend the majority of their time in the sterile environment of a space station.
-
5k seems a very low number, considering the number of space stations. I think it says that it is the descendants of those original 5k that rule the various stations. That suggests that the majority of the population immigrated in later, to me.
You have the 5k's descendants who in large part comprise the ruling class, and then you have everyone else?
Any given station is big enough for hundreds of thousands to millions of people. I suspect the 5k number is a failure to recognize the scale of this stuff, but it's PF, so there you go.
-
That 1.8% number seems low in the Syndicate context. The current Earth population takes into account developed places like Europe and Japan with incredibly low fertility rates, not just the developing world with much higher growth. In a "frontier" type of situation, I'd expect it to be much higher than that.
-
That 1.8% number seems low in the Syndicate context. The current Earth population takes into account developed places like Europe and Japan with incredibly low fertility rates, not just the developing world with much higher growth. In a "frontier" type of situation, I'd expect it to be much higher than that.
You have a point, and those rough figures were just for discussion purposes. There are a lot of other factors as well. For example, what were the ages of those who were exiled? One would assume that most, if not all were adults. But what if they had young children. It would take them years to reach reproductive maturity. On the other end of the spectrum, how many were past the age of reproduction?
And then there is the question of gender divisions. Were the exiles an even mix of men and women? Truth be told, political dissidents have a tendency to be males. It could have been that the ratio of men to women would have been ridiculously skewed, perhaps 3 or 4 to 1. That would have hampered growth in the first few generations.
-
That 1.8% number seems low in the Syndicate context. The current Earth population takes into account developed places like Europe and Japan with incredibly low fertility rates, not just the developing world with much higher growth. In a "frontier" type of situation, I'd expect it to be much higher than that.
You have a point, and those rough figures were just for discussion purposes. There are a lot of other factors as well. For example, what were the ages of those who were exiled? One would assume that most, if not all were adults. But what if they had young children. It would take them years to reach reproductive maturity. On the other end of the spectrum, how many were past the age of reproduction?
And then there is the question of gender divisions. Were the exiles an even mix of men and women? Truth be told, political dissidents have a tendency to be males. It could have been that the ratio of men to women would have been ridiculously skewed, perhaps 3 or 4 to 1. That would have hampered growth in the first few generations.
Which leads to the next question, if (lets just say) 5000 male dissidents were exiled, did their wives and children willingly follow, etc. Of course, politically outspoken females can also have spouses and children, so I think the gender issue gets mitigated depending on demographics.
edit: assuming these exiles were among the core of the domestic resistance, would a portion of their "political network" have followed them, as well.
-
Maybe Syndicate was a 'new frontier'? Following the initial wave, why would more people go out there?
Also, what kind of systems of governance do you think the stations have?
-
[mod]Testing to make sure the thread necro warning is disabled. Also, the sort of thread I don't mind seeing revivified. [/mod]
-
If you do necro your own thread, it wouldn't hurt to fix the link in the OP. 8)
-
CCP broke all my links. :s
Edit: Put in a link tot he faction page on the wiki.
-
This is probably the region/political sphere I find most intriguing (as some of my writing might show).
There is a chron about it here (http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=aug01-01). Here is the not-broken wiki link (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Category:The_Syndicate_(Faction)). I'll add more links as they are found.
I think that while in all of Eve there is potential for an incredible diversity across different places, nowhere is it easier to envision than in Syndicate.
I'd like to know what other people think about the place.
Easiest place to find incredible diversity = Various planet-side places in the Fed.
Syndicate is ultimately a large collection of space-stations built by a small group of Intaki 'black-sheep' and their descendants with possibly a few illegal colonies to back them up, colonies that constantly run the risk of being found and wiped off the map by Federation forces. Assuming ofc they give a shit, I don't recall from where, but I think there was a short snippet from somewhere, stating they occasionally go about looking for and possibly 'removing' undesirable settlements. I can't confirm this though.
I've gotten the sense, a long time ago, that the Syndicate is considered to be this small black smear on the Intaki's reputation that they don't like, but much like the former "removes the colonies on discovery" thing I am not sure from where or about it's accuracy. Could be an interesting topic on it's own.
-
I've been becoming quite interested in Intaki Syndicate RP. I'd always hoped Anshar would go that way, but they went more Serpentis before becoming Mercs. The Syndicate seem largely unexplored to me.
-
The Sandy Cat is my favorite Null region, and one of the cooler factions. It really compliments the Thukker/Angel/Bunny side of things and I love what Silver Night has done with it in his fiction (Silver Night for Eve Illuminati! Make it happen Verone!).
Also, how awesome is it that their security is called the Space Police?
-
Syndicate space makes me think of "anarchic" communities like Freetown Christiania, but on a bigger scale.
-
Syndicate is ultimately a large collection of space-stations built by a small group of Intaki 'black-sheep' and their descendants with possibly a few illegal colonies to back them up, colonies that constantly run the risk of being found and wiped off the map by Federation forces. Assuming ofc they give a shit, I don't recall from where, but I think there was a short snippet from somewhere, stating they occasionally go about looking for and possibly 'removing' undesirable settlements. I can't confirm this though.
That sounds familiar to me, as well. I remember some of the earliest writings on the Syndicate talking about how the Syndicate Intaki were forbidden from colonizing planets, so it seems reasonable to assume the Federation would aggressively police this. At the same time, it's been a big deal every time the Federation Navy crosses the border into Syndicate, so they may simply impose sanctions instead. The Syndicate strikes me as particularly vulnerable to sanctions, given the lack of planetside resources.
I've gotten the sense, a long time ago, that the Syndicate is considered to be this small black smear on the Intaki's reputation that they don't like, but much like the former "removes the colonies on discovery" thing I am not sure from where or about it's accuracy. Could be an interesting topic on it's own.
I've never thought about it from that point of view, but it makes sense. I went down the rabbit-hole of creating a Syndicate Intaki alt at one point, and this hint of animosity just naturally appeared whenever he interacted with Federal Intakis (both from my alt and from the Federal Intakis). It's interesting how that seems to just swim there under the subconscious.
-
Wow, I've probably written loads on this topic before, but of course being so long removed from Eve (and the RP forums associated with it), I can't bring you links. The thread does seem to tread on old ground and I would've thought any discussion of the Syndicate would have moved past it. I guess the knowledge of the area has lapsed.
But yes, the Federation treaty with the exiles dictated they can't colonize the worlds (probably so they couldn't in time become a competing faction). So, they built space stations, in effect becoming the first spacers building and living out of outposts, laying the trail for 0.0 alliances to follow.
Opinions about them among the Federals and the Federal Intaki may vary, but the fact is that parts of the Federation needs this shadow zone on their border.
Souro Foiritain had his links to the Syndicate and undoubtedly other politicians do the same: when you need to buy illegal goods, you go to the Syndicate. On the other hand, when you need to sell them, you do the same which provides the link to shady Federal corporations. In the same vein... can you say spring break down in Mexico? Oh bet you can.
So yeah, you can sorta snub your nose at it, but it is there and people like to use its services. Of course, some politicians like the militant competitor of Souro Foiritain for one, named Mentas Blaque? It's been years... Anyway, some of them make it their policy/platform to oppose the illegalities of the Syndicate. Easy villains for that sort of thing.
It's also always been my contention that the Syndicate is necessary to the Placid region. The smugglers bring in needed goods (which avoid Federal taxation, bringing prices down), as well as drugs, porn, etc. They provide a non-Federal marketplace to Placid products as well. The cultural links between the Placid-born and the Syndicate residents are strained, but it is not always/necessarily antagonistic! Some may think that Federal policies have made the exiles into criminals, who have simply embraced their fate and made the most out of it. The smugglers provide a really cool and interesting way of cultural traffic between the Federal and exiled Intaki. They also polarize Intaki culture itself and the question emerges: which is the truer expression of Intaki culture, the exiles or the Federals?
Anyway, I just scraped the surface here and searching this forum and/or Chatsubo will bring up old threads where me and bunches of other people have written a lot on this topic.
-
The Syndicate has always reminded me a little of Illium in Mass Effect 2. A bridge between the lawful and the underground.