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[Silver Night]

The second largest Megacorp and considered perhaps the most ruthless in business, Sukuuvestaa has always interested me.

Part of it is that they are probably one of the most sprawlingly large operations, and they also seem to control a lot of the basic industry and sources of commodities in the State. They seem to be sort of the ultimate practicals.

they were also the biggest winners in the CPD land grab, by a factor of almost two.

More links:

http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1848&tid=6 - Alliance tournament article, that also has some interesting info on places where SuVee has a strong grip.

Suvee doing or suspected of doing questionable things:
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1348&tid=6
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2444&tid=6
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3523&tid=6
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2464&tid=11

And more Suvee articles:
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=utype&tyid=1&cid=1000025

[Casiella]

Every time I see that abbreviation, I think of an Arkansas hog call.

[Boma Airaken]

I don't really remember how we came to the conclusion, but the old Celestial Imperative alliance Achur loyalist bloc, mostly Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu somehow managed to come up with evidence that SuVee was responsible for the desecration of the Achur temples.

I would love to elaborate further but my dump of the old forums is totally incomplete. Akikkio might have more info if he sees this thread.

[Silver Night]

Well, I could certainly see them doing it, at least depending on the dynamic there.

CCP kind of retconned SuVee as the Mega 'closest' with the Achura. That opens up a lot of possibility for conflict with the pre-existing power structures and culture.

[orange]

I think SuVee is really really into real estate.  They likely lease property and exploitation rights to all comers.

[Julianus Soter]

*Looks up and makes notes on Japanese housing collapse for future use as 'leverage' against Suvee should it become necessary*

[Silver Night]

I think SuVee is really really into real estate.  They likely lease property and exploitation rights to all comers.

That seems to be supported by the description. While I expect that all the megas own loads of land/real estate the SuVee description seems to imply it is (in various forms) the company's 'primary' business.


I think it's been gotten into a bit in other threads, but what do you think about SuVee's reputation as being 'ruthless'?

Would they be as ruthless as their reputation suggests they are? What forms would such ruthlessness take? Buying up smaller companies and stuff is mentioned, but what else?

[Boma Airaken]

I think SuVee is really really into real estate.  They likely lease property and exploitation rights to all comers.

That seems to be supported by the description. While I expect that all the megas own loads of land/real estate the SuVee description seems to imply it is (in various forms) the company's 'primary' business.


I think it's been gotten into a bit in other threads, but what do you think about SuVee's reputation as being 'ruthless'?

Would they be as ruthless as their reputation suggests they are? What forms would such ruthlessness take? Buying up smaller companies and stuff is mentioned, but what else?

Well, smashing up an entire culture and screaming "we own you bitches" from the rooftops seems pretty ruthless to me.

[Mithfindel]

I still fail to see much support for the "they killed the Achura" thing (for example, if the Achura were discovered by the Fed, they'd likely have been hit much worse).

However, on real estate: "Clever" lease terms allow a fair deal of ruthlessness to be applied. If that's not enough, then sure, the terms for the land might be great... at which point, you might want to buy some power, heat and water. No worries, your local SuVee subsidiary plant will provide all of those at a fair price. Of course, they only accept SuVee scrip. This might be negotiable for other megas or other very large corps, but even smaller "independent" corps and subcontractors would likely have to bend. And once they get the company store hook deep enough, it's just a matter of time until the subcontractor is either pumped dry of capital or bought out to cover the "debts". Ruthless enough?

[Seriphyn]

Since resettling in the Achura home system of Saisio after the evacuation of Caldari Prime, the corporation has become the sentimental favorite of the Achura population for both employment and purchasing decisions. Many of the corporation's high level positions are filled by Achura, and images from Achura  culture are often used for corporate products. However, corporate philosophy is still dominated by SuVee traditions that date back to its origins on Caldari Prime, not Achura culture.

Giant piece of Achur PF there. If Achurans like SuVee, then what does this say about them as a people? Perhaps they are also ruthless and practical?

It doesn't quite 'fit' with their philosophical nature, especially being 'anti-materialistic', which seems what SuVee is all about..."all for the profit".

Also, if SuVee is 2nd largest mega, and 'many of the high level positions' are Achurans...seems they are bigger than originally thought? I was under the impression the population of the State was around 90% Caldari and 10% Achur...then again, "high level" is at a pyramid so...

[Silver Night]

Giant piece of Achur PF there. If Achurans like SuVee, then what does this say about them as a people? Perhaps they are also ruthless and practical?

It doesn't quite 'fit' with their philosophical nature, especially being 'anti-materialistic', which seems what SuVee is all about..."all for the profit".

I think that it may just be that it's a huge corporation, and a whole planet full of people. It probably just doesn't boil down that easily. Looking at it another way, there are many companies today that are pretty ruthless (at least, as ruthless as they can be - child labor in foreign countries, etc) and people still have a sentimental attachment to them. With a sufficiently large organization, all of the unpleasant business can be comfortably far away, and even if people know about it, it is easy to ignore.

I'm sure there are Achura that have a problem with SuVee too.

Also, if SuVee is 2nd largest mega, and 'many of the high level positions' are Achurans...seems they are bigger than originally thought? I was under the impression the population of the State was around 90% Caldari and 10% Achur...then again, "high level" is at a pyramid so...

Many isn't most, and 10% of billions and billions is still a large pool to draw from. It seems likely, given the Achura background, that other Megacorps might simply have near zero Achura members. Relative to that, even a fairly small number working high up in SuVee would be a lot.

[Boma Airaken]

Since resettling in the Achura home system of Saisio after the evacuation of Caldari Prime, the corporation has become the sentimental favorite of the Achura population for both employment and purchasing decisions. Many of the corporation's high level positions are filled by Achura, and images from Achura  culture are often used for corporate products. However, corporate philosophy is still dominated by SuVee traditions that date back to its origins on Caldari Prime, not Achura culture.

Giant piece of Achur PF there. If Achurans like SuVee, then what does this say about them as a people? Perhaps they are also ruthless and practical?

It doesn't quite 'fit' with their philosophical nature, especially being 'anti-materialistic', which seems what SuVee is all about..."all for the profit".

Also, if SuVee is 2nd largest mega, and 'many of the high level positions' are Achurans...seems they are bigger than originally thought? I was under the impression the population of the State was around 90% Caldari and 10% Achur...then again, "high level" is at a pyramid so...

You could go all kinds of crazy with that, like how the Ammatar/Nefantar (forgive, I am not up on my Matari PF as near as I should be) had to man up and hold their tongues and act like slavers to save the Starkmanir.

Where did that particular piece come from?

[Lydia Tishal]

I think it's been gotten into a bit in other threads, but what do you think about SuVee's reputation as being 'ruthless'?

Would they be as ruthless as their reputation suggests they are? What forms would such ruthlessness take? Buying up smaller companies and stuff is mentioned, but what else?

I don't seem to be able to find the news link for this, but I can't believe no one has mentioned this yet. . .from the YC 105 review. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Year_YC105

"During the last days of October [YC 105] and throughout the beginning of November reports began to come in of decreasing test scores within the Gallentean school system, as well as an increase in student truancy and disciplinary problems. An investigative committee was assembled to search for the reasons behind this sudden drop, but made little headway initially. A few days later, the Quafe Company suddenly released information that proved beyond doubt that the main ingredients in the Protein Delicacies were in fact organic waste, processed station sewage and second grade biomass. The Caldari State’s Chief Executive Panel was quick to respond, promising that an investigation would be undertaken to determine whether there was cause for further action in the matter."

"Some days later, the Gallente Federal Senate lodged a formal inquiry as to how the Sukuuvestaa Corporation had managed to conceal the dubious origin of their food product from health boards and other agencies. At about the same time, the Suukuvestaa Corporation suddenly released a statement on the issue, denouncing the Quafe Company’s “deplorable” industrial espionage and accusing the popular soft-drink manufacturer of having intended to steal the manufacturing process for the Protein Delicacies. Interestingly, the Suukuvestaa statement made no mention whatsoever of the delicacies’ unsavory contents, a clear indicator to some that they were apathetic to the situation. "

[Lydia Tishal]

Also, although nothing was ever proven, it was strongly suggested that Suvee designed and introduced a virus that wiped out the agricultural base of an entire planet in order to gain a competative advantage.

http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=utype&tyid=3&cid=30002763

And there's this little gem. . .

http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1932&tid=6

Finally, the articles linked under "doing questionable things" in the original post essentially says that Suvee wanted to swap out food production in favor of increased mining, but thought the resulting starvation would be bad for their image. When NOH figured a way to starve Lai Dai employees instead, they jumped at the idea.

[Boma Airaken]

Was talking with a corpmate last night about the SuVee/Achura thing. Got us to thinking after reading that description, looking at the board of directors thing, and it seems you could easily take it as cheesy culture exploitation. Putting that happy Achur face on the corporation that is exploiting them akin to Native American smoke shops and Casinos here in the states, especially the PNW.