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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Silas Vitalia on 10 Oct 2013, 18:58
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Whose alt? I'm possibly dodging ban-hammers here but the postings have in my opinion been more of the troll variety, working into threads and assploding them in short order, along with the "im a current member of an NPC group" stuff.
You all feeling some genuine RP behind the postings or more elaborate straw-man alt nonsense?
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The name leads me to think it was originally designed to be a less than serious character. Be spent the first two years in an NPC corp before dropping and forming the corp he's in now.
I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the/a doubt (not sure how the saying goes), and assume he's making a legitimate pass at RP - even if it is intended to be stirring the pot.
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I will point you to their alt and give you my views ingame.
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Done and done.
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They read as 'made a strawman/parody character and are now attempting to play it straight' to me.
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He considers himself a descendant of Gheinok, and a Speaker of Truth. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Slaver_Filth
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I think I know who he may be, but I don't want to throw my guess out here. I will say that I noticed another RP character's typing style and use of words to be very similar to Slaver Filth's. My guess is, with some inkling on who the main is, Slaver's probably a strawman character. :ugh:
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"his ability to focus with laser like intensity on any task he chooses enables him to consistently better any and all who oppose him."
errr, ja...
even if he tries to be more than a troll, he's pretty bad at being anything but.
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Although I liked some of his posts, I would have serious troubles roleplaying with someone bearing a name like this. One of the funniest things I read was that someone replying to one of his posts with "Mr Filth, ..." :D
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Too bad, his posts often are rather good and bring a little factionalism inside the faction (Reformists vs Apostles).
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bring a little factionalism inside the faction (Reformists vs Apostles).
Always good.
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Too bad, his posts often are rather good and bring a little factionalism inside the faction (Reformists vs Apostles).
Odelya would love him, for that is basically what she is advocating... I am sure he would be one of the first to exchange a PLEX for a new name...
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"Quality" posts like this (http://eve-search.com/thread/277628-1/page/6#168) (this was nuked from the official forums by CCLs for obvious reasons) make me go "troll/strawman and little else", but I guess time will tell.
To answer Silas: It is a bit of a social faux pas to ask who someone's alt is in a place like this (especially if you're going to call them out like that), but as I've, uh, been the direct target of said person's... 'quality posting', I'm going to leave it to other moderators to decide. :p
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Morwen has been the target of the 'quality posting'...
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One of the funniest things I read was that someone replying to one of his posts with "Mr Filth, ..." :D
Glad I could amuse you with that :)
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One of the funniest things I read was that someone replying to one of his posts with "Mr Filth, ..." :D
Glad I could amuse you with that :)
Oh, that was you! :)
Too bad, his posts often are rather good and bring a little factionalism inside the faction (Reformists vs Apostles).
Odelya would love him, for that is basically what she is advocating... I am sure he would be one of the first to exchange a PLEX for a new name...
I retract that by the way…
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Yeah I just saw his bio making up a lot of things, and asking people to back up their (true, btw) claims at the same time...
If someone would be kind enough to send in private whose alt it is ?
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If someone would be kind enough to send in private whose alt it is ?
Add me to this list.
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Done.
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ME TOO ME TOO!!!
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He's going into my 'ignore' pile for the time being, you guys have fun with all that troll bait
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"Quality" posts like this (http://eve-search.com/thread/277628-1/page/6#168) (this was nuked from the official forums by CCLs for obvious reasons) make me go "troll/strawman and little else", but I guess time will tell.
To answer Silas: It is a bit of a social faux pas to ask who someone's alt is in a place like this (especially if you're going to call them out like that), but as I've, uh, been the direct target of said person's... 'quality posting', I'm going to leave it to other moderators to decide. :p
Thank you for sharing that.
I can comfortably go from 'give him a chance' to 'pour gas on it and set it on fire.'
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Yeah this guy's kind of a doucher...I don't (think [citation needed]) I even get THAT pissed off. I mean ...bestiality? Slavery? Da phuck?
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"Quality" posts like this (http://eve-search.com/thread/277628-1/page/6#168) (this was nuked from the official forums by CCLs for obvious reasons) make me go "troll/strawman and little else", but I guess time will tell.
To answer Silas: It is a bit of a social faux pas to ask who someone's alt is in a place like this (especially if you're going to call them out like that), but as I've, uh, been the direct target of said person's... 'quality posting', I'm going to leave it to other moderators to decide. :p
Thank you for sharing that.
I can comfortably go from 'give him a chance' to 'pour gas on it and set it on fire.'
Likewise! Wow...
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"Quality" posts like this (http://eve-search.com/thread/277628-1/page/6#168) (this was nuked from the official forums by CCLs for obvious reasons) make me go "troll/strawman and little else", but I guess time will tell.
To answer Silas: It is a bit of a social faux pas to ask who someone's alt is in a place like this (especially if you're going to call them out like that), but as I've, uh, been the direct target of said person's... 'quality posting', I'm going to leave it to other moderators to decide. :p
Thank you for sharing that.
I can comfortably go from 'give him a chance' to 'pour gas on it and set it on fire.'
I was amused by that one myself, but I have a twisted sense of humour.
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being amused by something doesn't preclude one from identifying it as clearly inappropriate. ;)
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being amused by something doesn't preclude one from identifying it as clearly inappropriate. ;)
Indeed. :monocle:
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Shots fired. None returned. The war begins. :yar:
Edit:
Filth: 0
Murrica: 1
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I blocked this troll on the first day he appeared on the IGS. I read a few of his posts and didn't care for where I figured he was going, especially when he started claiming noble heritage and being a Speaker. At that point I made a little public service post (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3661802#post3661802) to remind people about the block function.
I'm not sure why people keep responding to him since it's pretty obvious that he's just made this character to stir the pot and generate as much negative attention as possible. If everyone would block him he'd soon get tired of talking to himself and go away.
Or, keep handing him rope so that as he continues to cross the line CCP will ban his ass. :yar:
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SEE RELLA GETS IT.
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Maybe he got bored to be looked down with his main...
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Why not bring out the locator agent and shoot him?
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That's hoping that he undocks
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Scope became aware of one pilot by the code name ' Slaver Filth' and his vitriolic ramblings against capsuleers. In a flurry of angst ridden words and bestiality laden insults, he derped a herp and forgot how to Amarr. As a fake ancestor to the legendary Gheinok, he decreed everyone else, including Amarr, heretics!
Papal!
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I blocked this troll on the first day he appeared on the IGS. I read a few of his posts and didn't care for where I figured he was going, especially when he started claiming noble heritage and being a Speaker. At that point I made a little public service post (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3661802#post3661802) to remind people about the block function.
I'm not sure why people keep responding to him since it's pretty obvious that he's just made this character to stir the pot and generate as much negative attention as possible. If everyone would block him he'd soon get tired of talking to himself and go away.
Or, keep handing him rope so that as he continues to cross the line CCP will ban his ass. :yar:
I would have, but I can't say that I wanted to block the character completely. As if we don't have cringingly embarrassing elderly people in our respective IRL cultures that make you wish someone would just shut them up and soiling all your work to make yourself look good. It seems, as an Amarr player, it's kind of a cop-out to just ignore that guy permanently. He's essentially the guy who gives us a bad name and it gives you something to react against in your own culture, however your character does that.
Still, I can't blame people for blocking him. He pretty obviously started as a troll and has that tendency to troll. I just can't say he's been completely useless in our community. Then again, Odelya is sort of holding the same IC role but doing it a lot better, and without being a troll. So his usefulness is somewhat lessened.
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It's not a cop-out if the blocking/ignoring is being done ICly. Samira's avoided responding to him because even if he's a heretic in her eyes, he's still Amarr of noble blood (or so he claims). It would be inappropriate for someone of her social status to make aggressive responses to him (though she has let slip a few minor quips, like the militia comment).
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I don't know, really. Middling to fair as trolls go, and although I liked the term "pre-slave", the whole slaver-hound-cum-drinking episode seemed like a break of character. Vea should really lay off the blow.
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Pretty sure that's not Vea.
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Nonsense, Vea is the sum of all fears and demonic joining of our enemies.
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I read it as a complete non sequitur and lol'd.
The advice goes for most people, really. Shit's bad for you.
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It's not a cop-out if the blocking/ignoring is being done ICly. Samira's avoided responding to him because even if he's a heretic in her eyes, he's still Amarr of noble blood (or so he claims). It would be inappropriate for someone of her social status to make aggressive responses to him (though she has let slip a few minor quips, like the militia comment).
Yeah, Constantin's essentially stood up like a wall to him, but he wouldn't ICly ignore anyone. I seriously do look at Slaver Filth like that old guy who lives alone and is stuck in the 50s. You know, the guy who is racist, sexist, judgmental, and bitter about how society is changing from when he was a kid? Honestly, outside of a few trollish slips, that's pretty much been how I've treated him and he's played that part pretty well. If that's the aim, then he's sort of filling that gap.
He's sort of the Amarrian that even most Amarrians are telling to STFU, the Moral Reforms happened a millenium ago, grandpa. But that character ought to exist somewhere and be recognized that way. He has a corollary in every culture on Earth, the crotchety old guy that no one likes and everyone tends to ignore when he goes on about Communism and those damn [insert racial slur here] trying to take over the country. I think he definitely started as a troll, but as the character has grown, I'm not sure if he's stayed that way or if he's become more of an actual character. For sure, it's sad he can't change his name, otherwise we could take him more seriously.
Either way, I don't think Constantin could ignore him. When he's on task, Slaver's sort of a necessary evil in RP. He's that example of what happens when everything that can go wrong in a society does and produces an embarrassment.
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Three pages already where three words* would suffice.
(*: "Moving swiftly on..")
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It is possible to be conservative and cantankerous Amarr with some flair and interest, we have seen this from many in the past.
Just jumping on and throwing out the worst of the culture doesn't add much.
IE if you are going to be an ass IC at least try to make them endearing in some other small ways, like awful people you can kind of appreciate or get behind in some other way.
If you are 100% argumentative and awful IC 100% of the time in every single post why does anyone ever want to interact with you?
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Well, it speaks for itself, I guess. While you want to say that the idea of an asshat Amarr doesn't lead to pleasant RP, he gets a lot more interaction than more pleasant and thoughtfully-created characters. He's exactly what people want to see on the IGS. We tend to vote with our posts, and he's engendered a reaction if nothing else.
I wouldn't call him the most constructive character ever, but he's the Amarr everyone wanted. I might have misgivings, but it's hard to argue with results.
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Well, it speaks for itself, I guess. While you want to say that the idea of an asshat Amarr doesn't lead to pleasant RP, he gets a lot more interaction than more pleasant and thoughtfully-created characters. He's exactly what people want to see on the IGS. We tend to vote with our posts, and he's engendered a reaction if nothing else.
I wouldn't call him the most constructive character ever, but he's the Amarr everyone wanted. I might have misgivings, but it's hard to argue with results.
That's like saying the most successful trolls are the people we want to interact with on forums. People have a tendency to respond to abrasive things.
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Well, it speaks for itself, I guess. While you want to say that the idea of an asshat Amarr doesn't lead to pleasant RP, he gets a lot more interaction than more pleasant and thoughtfully-created characters. He's exactly what people want to see on the IGS. We tend to vote with our posts, and he's engendered a reaction if nothing else.
I wouldn't call him the most constructive character ever, but he's the Amarr everyone wanted. I might have misgivings, but it's hard to argue with results.
That's like saying the most successful trolls are the people we want to interact with on forums. People have a tendency to respond to abrasive things.
People are gluttons for punishment, it seems. Nobody really has the need to interact with him, in fact most people could just ignore him and move on. People don't though. They'll stop and take time to have long, drawn out fights with him. So maybe successful trolls are the people you do want to interact with, if abrasive things are what tends to provoke a response. If you wanted to interact with people who weren't abrasive, they'd be a lot more popular.
Hell, I didn't remember hearing anyone say anything about Silas until she pulled a mustache twirl and blew up a ship full of orphans.
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Silas-c had a habit of only posting when she had something to say that she felt was important enough to run the risk of being wasted on everyone else's ears.
Morwen used to only post occasionally in a similar fashion, but being sick and under effective house arrest for her own health kinda left her with not a lot to do, so being a wiseass on the IGS turned into something she could do without raising the ire of her 'warden'.
And frankly, yeah. People tend to respond to things they really ought not to. Some things will really get under Morwen's skin. Shit like what he's posted is a prime example. It's disgusting, it's horrid, and it's using her as the subject/target.
Blocking's also pointless when people quote each other. You're still going to see people's posts in the end.
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Which might be true, but I remember her posting on my threads a lot before then. She just wasn't particularly mentioned and didn't stand out that much until the community heard about that. It wasn't like she wasn't around, but Silas was definitely part of the background noise until then. I just thought it was noteworthy that it took that to make her a popular subject of conversation on IGS. It might be the nature of the game, but it does tend towards the adversarial. Which is probably why a sort-of troll has such a big presence on the IGS itself. I just think that the idea of trolls garnering such a reaction out of online communities probably says more about the community than the trolls.
I guess it's hard for me to blame Slaver Filth's player for derailing threads when everyone seems to like the derailment better than the original (sometimes civil) nature of the previous conversation.
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Pretty sure that's not Vea.
Am I just the number one suspect anytime someone's doing something perceived as silly?
Nonsense, Vea is the sum of all fears and demonic joining of our enemies.
This is totally going in a bio somewhere.
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I think both points are right and not mutually exclusive.
People are eager to answer to trolls.
It then depends what you call being successful : garnering abrasive answers after your own abrasive trolling, or creatin g a successful character itself that is recognized for what he/she is and still garners interest, even with less flamboyance (but a lasting flame on the long run).
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I think he's basically been discredited ICly and backed off a bit since Anslo-c called him out as the equivalent of a cyno alt (cyno bitch)....then again I have yet to check the forums.
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Hell, I didn't remember hearing anyone say anything about Silas until she pulled a mustache twirl and blew up a ship full of orphans.
No offense, but I make a purposeful effort of spacing out the mustache twirling as to not be too annoying, or at least to mitigate that effect. Popping into the occasional thread for a few quips and then vacating is not on the same league as Mr. Filth. Blowing up a few orphans or other assorted shenanigans I try to space out so as to be the very opposite of Mr. Filth's thread conduct. I like my moustache twirling to be at the end of the day more related to other people and possible interaction and often undetermined outcomes rather than forum arguing.
S. can be an annoying character in larger doses so I try to space things out. Events, threadnaughts, exploding impressionable youngsters.
Back to topic though!
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Hell, I didn't remember hearing anyone say anything about Silas until she pulled a mustache twirl and blew up a ship full of orphans.
No offense, but I make a purposeful effort of spacing out the mustache twirling as to not be too annoying, or at least to mitigate that effect. Popping into the occasional thread for a few quips and then vacating is not on the same league as Mr. Filth. Blowing up a few orphans or other assorted shenanigans I try to space out so as to be the very opposite of Mr. Filth's thread conduct. I like my moustache twirling to be at the end of the day more related to other people and possible interaction and often undetermined outcomes rather than forum arguing.
S. can be an annoying character in larger doses so I try to space things out. Events, threadnaughts, exploding impressionable youngsters.
Back to topic though!
Oh, I didn't intend any offense, if that's the way it was taken. Mustache twirl isn't usually a derogatory term, just means doing something so blatantly evil that it's essentially meant to garner hate. That's probably why I hadn't heard much out of you though before then. It's probably good not to CAPSLOCK the evil too hard. I was just pointing out that there wasn't much else that really pushes people to the fore that way, so I didn't even really separate her out until she blew up orphans. Sometimes, it just seems like everyone is kind of looking for a fight, so they tend to give a lot of fuel to trollish characters when they show up. They're the gift that keeps on giving.
Unless you meant no offense to me. I'm not Slaver Filth, just to clarify. My complete prick is Roman, who has an ICly good reason not to talk very often. He just doesn't care about people enough to usually say anything. When he does, he's intensely unlikable.
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Yeah, most of the 'moustache-twirling' that Silas has done happened before you started playing (or at least browsing the IGS), back when she came out of the Sabik closet almost two years ago.
Too busy shooting people and generating tears ingame to bother doing it on the IGS, that one. :lol:
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Yeah, most of the 'moustache-twirling' that Silas has done happened before you started playing (or at least browsing the IGS), back when she came out of the Sabik closet almost two years ago.
Too busy shooting people and generating tears ingame to bother doing it on the IGS, that one. :lol:
heh :P
Actually you 'nice' characters have it easy you get to socialize in the summit all the time and chew the fat. When the more ebil people come on to chat people leave or get pissy more often than not. It makes me spend more time lurking in channels than participating, but small dosage better than all drama all the time.
That being said gonna start pissing off more of you soon (tm)
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Yeah, most of the 'moustache-twirling' that Silas has done happened before you started playing (or at least browsing the IGS), back when she came out of the Sabik closet almost two years ago.
Too busy shooting people and generating tears ingame to bother doing it on the IGS, that one. :lol:
heh :P
Actually you 'nice' characters have it easy you get to socialize in the summit all the time and chew the fat. When the more ebil people come on to chat people leave or get pissy more often than not. It makes me spend more time lurking in channels than participating, but small dosage better than all drama all the time.
That being said gonna start pissing off more of you soon (tm)
I think that evil people are interesting if they actually have motives and idealogies that go beyond 'for the evulz'. The 'for the evulz' people are not to be spoken to, only shot at.
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writing mis-directing fake evelopedia entries to give yourself special roles, that is a new low?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3753021#post3753021
bwaahhahahaa
it's like those phishing sites you get to when you mis-spell a popular website by one letter
I have to imagine some EULA thing with this?
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You could report it to YARR I guess. vOv
As for those phishing sites, you can find some pretty hilarious ones if you add a few o's to google :P
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Actualllllyyyy under the new EULA about impersonating authorities from NPC Corproations (Lord on the Theology Council vs Admiral Derp of Scope)....he could get shat on.
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I'm not stooping to those run and tell mamma tactics, but I did send an IC mail to one of the amarr actors goading them a bit about it.
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writing mis-directing fake evelopedia entries to give yourself special roles, that is a new low?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3753021#post3753021
bwaahhahahaa
it's like those phishing sites you get to when you mis-spell a popular website by one letter
I have to imagine some EULA thing with this?
Looks like CCP have sorted the issue. The Fake Page now Points to the Real One. I suspect he got his wrists slapped over this given it's a Dev rather than ISD or a GM that got involved.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/index.php?title=Council_Of_Apostles&action=history
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"In my judgement the previous content went beyond the pale of RP using EVElopedia. Redirect replaces it.)"
all kinds of schadenfreude up in this motherfucker :P bwahhahahaha
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In other notes, has anyone checked his IGS thread lately? It's turning into pure comedy gold. His latest trick is to claim that he spoke to CCP Falcon, who said that Rodj didn't speak to a Speaker of Truth (he did, btw. It was the old AURORA events). The logs of this supposed "conversation" are of course marked as "content redacted", as if a mod had been there... except a quick look at eve-search shows it was originally posted that way. Hurrr.
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In other notes, has anyone checked his IGS thread lately? It's turning into pure comedy gold. His latest trick is to claim that he spoke to CCP Falcon, who said that Rodj didn't speak to a Speaker of Truth (he did, btw. It was the old AURORA events). The logs of this supposed "conversation" are of course marked as "content redacted", as if a mod had been there... except a quick look at eve-search shows it was originally posted that way. Hurrr.
(http://i-l-i-k-e.us/img/uploads/228-55f8fe75.jpg)
Pic relevant.
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Reported. It should be interesting to see what Falcon does about it, if anything. I don't think he'll take too kindly to being lied about (if it was indeed a lie).
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=287968&find=unread
Looks like slaver filth and the emperor Hideraan were friends. I didn't know!
"Darius thought back, Heideran V had been a close friend, they had both joined the Council of Apostles in the same year, had spent time in the Imperial Navy as officers under the command of the same Admiral. Bought commanded dreadnought squadrons. Darius had always managed to stay just one step ahead of Heideran, “Because of that glory to the saints last name of yours!” Heideran had always laughed.
For decades Darius had thought it was a joke between friends and allies. But at his coronation after being elected Emperor Heideran V had whispered coldly to Darius, “That last name will never give you or anyone else advantage over me ever again holder.” the vindictiveness of the tone staggered and shocked Darius. His friend of decades was no friend at all. Darius recovered quickly and soothed his gloating Emperor by saying “Emperor I voted for the best man to ascend to the Imperial Throne. In all the Empire no one shall or should have any advantage over you sire.” Heideran regained his composure with a dismissive “Yes, yes indeed you did loyal holder, indeed you did.” all the while smiling like a predator closing in on its prey.
Darius had always bested Heideran V because he was far better then him in most things. Ironically Darius had removed himself from the balloting to be Emperor specifically because he carried the Gheinok name. House Gheinok had founded the Amarr. The legacy of his noble forebear Dano Gheinok was second to none."
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I have no words for that story ...
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I have no words for that story ...
Try this on for size:
(http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/mother-of-god.jpg)
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I see he is now the CEO for the Council of Apostles.
I wouldn't call him the most constructive character ever, but he's the Amarr everyone wanted.
No.
Also from another thread:
Let's face it, most of the characters on the IGS are really looking for reasons to dislike each other...
No.
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In true faith to God and solemn alligiance to the Amarr Empire as it should have remained we are reborn! A clandestine conservative order committed to overturning the artifice of Theocracy to enable this order to once again rule as a "Council Of Equals" with a legitimately elected Emperor to jointly administer the Amarr Empire with a representaive Holder slavocracy.
Getting quite pissed off with jumped up buckaroos trying to fuck the PF so blatantly.