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[Samira Kernher]

Yes. Was around 80 trillion total for the main four empires.

[Lyn Farel]

If I recall correctly, the calculations on the number of pve casualties per year was largely exceeding any reasonable birthrate of even those trillions, no ? Esna might have a better answer on that.

Tbh i'm pretty knackered already. It's like fighting windmills, I give up (yeah, so much for the willpower to do something in the first place), but considering that everyone has his own idea and doesn't care... And then complains that the community is fragmented and does not do things together...

Bleh. You can update the OP as much as you want, I don't feel like to format it with proper ideas and all the fluff I intended first since it's pointless anyhow.

[Aria Jenneth]

If I recall correctly, the calculations on the number of pve casualties per year was largely exceeding any reasonable birthrate of even those trillions, no ? Esna might have a better answer on that.

Tbh i'm pretty knackered already. It's like fighting windmills, I give up (yeah, so much for the willpower to do something in the first place), but considering that everyone has his own idea and doesn't care... And then complains that the community is fragmented and does not do things together...

Bleh. You can update the OP as much as you want, I don't feel like to format it with proper ideas and all the fluff I intended first since it's pointless anyhow.

Eh ... consensus is hard. The community's fragmentation isn't just a product of nobody having tried to bring everyone together before.

The closest you (or I) can really do is put things together as best we can, make a case, and hope it catches on, or else wait for CCP to clarify things. Sometimes they even do.

[Aria Jenneth]

Also, occasionally, CCP's been known to adopt a player idea, especially one that becomes widely accepted. There's reason to keep working at this stuff, but not a lot of reason to expect to get it all clarified to everybody's satisfaction-- not least because a certain CCP canon source isn't big on internal consistency.

[Lyn Farel]

Added jump cloning to the list of stupid shit.

[Ashley]

Added jump cloning to the list of stupid shit.

Why? 

[Lyn Farel]

It supposedly is the same than cloning when your capsule gets shot, so since the hardscan is lethal, your body dies, and you wake up in the target clone.

Which makes sense until you start to wonder how they manage to keep the implants you had on the body that supposedly dies, for when you come back.

[Esna Pitoojee]

Supposedly they "dig the implants out" and install them in an entirely new clone, free of charge.

This was even more retarded back when clones had costs, so they were supposedly replacing a clone worth several of aircraft-carrier-sized spacecraft for free.

Of course, that brings up the plot hole of why clones suddenly went from costing tens of millions of ISK to absolutely nothing at all.

[Lyn Farel]

Maybe some new breakthrough in cloning tech... It's the same thing everytime they decide to redesign a ship so... We have to explain it with advance of tech or somesuch...

But the problem is that "they dig the implants out". No they don't, since we have to destroy them... ? Or yes they do, and we are not allowed to remove them ourselves without destroying them, but they can when we clone jump ? wtf ?

[Elmund Egivand]

Maybe some new breakthrough in cloning tech... It's the same thing everytime they decide to redesign a ship so... We have to explain it with advance of tech or somesuch...

But the problem is that "they dig the implants out". No they don't, since we have to destroy them... ? Or yes they do, and we are not allowed to remove them ourselves without destroying them, but they can when we clone jump ? wtf ?

Well, let's hope that prior to the patch, there will be a live event where they make capsuleers risk their ship killing Drifters and loot corpses out of the wrecks or something, and then donate to CONCORD (because I seriously doubt they will implement a system where we reverse-engineer the implants ourselves).

Or, you know, release Entosis Link module blueprints which requires corpses of Drifters to manufacture. And you have to get that blueprint off Sansha or something.

[Ashley]

Well, they could use something like sodium hydroxide + water to make soup out of clone tissue and take metal bits(or whatever implants are made of) out after, then shove them in a new clone.

[Lyn Farel]

Then why can't I make that with my other clones as well ? :/

[Elmund Egivand]

Well, they could use something like sodium hydroxide + water to make soup out of clone tissue and take metal bits(or whatever implants are made of) out after, then shove them in a new clone.

I recall there being PF about baseliners who seek out capsuleer corpses and rip out implants to sell in the black market (black because those implants aren't 100% safe). If the baseliners can do it, why can't we?

[Ashley]

Then why can't I make that with my other clones as well ? :/

You mean like biomassing your clone to get the implants?
Some CONCORD bullshit policy would be my guess, they can't garantee 100% safety of implants that you unplugged "yourself" and/or want to siphon as much money from capsuleers as they can.

[Aria Jenneth]

Then why can't I make that with my other clones as well ? :/

You mean like biomassing your clone to get the implants?
Some CONCORD bullshit policy would be my guess, they can't garantee 100% safety of implants that you unplugged "yourself" and/or want to siphon as much money from capsuleers as they can.

Besides, capsuleer corpses you come by the other way have been subjected to all sorts of fun stuff: lethal toxins, hard vacuum, modern warhead materials (some of which are amazingly nasty), entertaining types of radiation....