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[Lillith Blackheart]

...what's with the bad blood and people taking it personally?

It's a game, people. There's a number of posts I'm seeing on IC boards that are obviously OOC posts, and a number of posts on OOC boards directly attacking us about what happened.

I put forth the suggestion that anyone that is angry about this (not IC angry, that's totally cool, rip me apart IC I love it) takes a step back, a few deep breaths, sets some multi-day skills to train....

...and takes some time off.

This is getting ridiculous.

This is a public message not to start a discussion, it's just a public request. An open letter if you will. Feel free to lock it up if you think it will get out of hand.

But c'mon people, from one player to another -- let it go, relax, and have fun with it. This has been getting way too personal for some of you.

[Casiella]

Remind them:

[Arvo Katsuya]

While its less excuseable to the veteran roleplayers, it can be made in defense of the newer ones that gotten hooked into the event to roleplay some. That actions made in character should be taken only in character, and not personally. Sometimes its a point people have to remember occasionally as well when things become more intense.

We're all here to have fun, aren't we? Thought me cracking out more silly stuff than I normally do on a message board to lighten the mood helped. =/

[Misan]

* Misan shrugs

I thought it was well played. Can't complain here, I got to shoot things (even if it was horribly laggy). Petition for node reinforcement next time, just in case.

[Lillith Blackheart]

Yeah, tbh we didn't expect the PL/NC wtfpwn squad to show up. We were expecting ~150 people on your side and ~150 on ours. And it was fine at those levels. But when another ~300 showed up from the PL/NC brigade, it went nuts.

But that's not the point.

This came to my attention because, and I stress that I have never reported any posts before anywhere, I have been debating reporting more than one post on the IGS forums for being OOC sniping on an IC board, and I've been getting some pretty heavy OOC flak over this.

It's pretty nuts, and people need to chill the fuck out.

[Silver Night]

[admin]I'm not going to lock this, yet. I see a lot of potential for it to get out of hand, though, so I would ask people to please consider very carefully before hitting post. I would also like to point out a specific sentence from the FAQ:

You are here as the player, not the as the character.

There may be a broader discussion to be had about IC deception (if it wasn't all covered in the corp theft thread), but I think it would be better to start a separate thread for that if people feel it is needed.The mod team will be watching this thread.[/admin]

[Casiella]

To me, this is the same symptom as people taking the rest of the game too seriously. Emoragequitting because somebody suicide ganked their pimped-out Hulk or tracking down a corp thief IRL and making threats in meatspace. Those things happen, too, and it makes me sad.

I've said for years that most RPers (including me at one time or another) don't separate IC and OOC nearly as well as we like to think we do.

[Caellach Marellus]

If I'm honest I've been getting frustrated recently. But it's between a mix of me throwing my character (and with it myself) at the deep end of getting involved in this on the defence against the Nation side, and having to put up with players (not characters) in various channels who are..

A: Not there for the RP (despite the channels requesting to keep it IC)

B: Not there to work as a team. They just want in on shiny killmails.

C: Making the same mistakes people already made and not listening.


But thinking about it seriously, it's no different than any other situation where you put yourself in a group of random people, there's always going to be some Village's idiot out on his or her big adventure.

As for some of the targeted OOC stuff I've seen between people, it's a game guys CTFO.

[Lillith Blackheart]

I'm not going to lock this, yet. I see a lot of potential for it to get out of hand

As I said, Silver, I completely understand if you need to lock this. I would request, though, that if moderator action needs to be taken, the whole thread doesn't go to the Catacombs. At the very least if the initial post could be kept, I would appreciate it, because I think it's something people need to be reminded of. It's actually kinda depressing me a little.

A: Not there for the RP (despite the channels requesting to keep it IC)

B: Not there to work as a team. They just want in on shiny killmails.

C: Making the same mistakes people already made and not listening.

I can completely understand the frustration here, Caellach. I'll be entirely honest with you -- we've been pretty unforgiving of that on the Nation side. We've booted people out of the channel CCP set up for us for not RPing, and we've ostracized people that are in there just begging for True Slave implants or other loot being given to them by CCP.

I like to think we're justified in such policing, but that may just be the elitist in me, and I readily admit that it is there. We also have some non-RPers in there that are still there, because they don't play up that stuff, they truly just want to be part of the event, because they think events are cool. IMO, those people are just as solid as those in it for the RP.

[Caellach Marellus]

A: Not there for the RP (despite the channels requesting to keep it IC)

B: Not there to work as a team. They just want in on shiny killmails.

C: Making the same mistakes people already made and not listening.

I can completely understand the frustration here, Caellach. I'll be entirely honest with you -- we've been pretty unforgiving of that on the Nation side. We've booted people out of the channel CCP set up for us for not RPing, and we've ostracized people that are in there just begging for True Slave implants or other loot being given to them by CCP.

I like to think we're justified in such policing, but that may just be the elitist in me, and I readily admit that it is there. We also have some non-RPers in there that are still there, because they don't play up that stuff, they truly just want to be part of the event, because they think events are cool. IMO, those people are just as solid as those in it for the RP.

I envy you guys for that. If you weren't all evil despicable toaster humping scum I'd be broken down enough to consider jumping sides =p

The biggest problem is dealing with idiocy in an IC fashion. After Ation it was a given in SYNEPublic that Ghost Hunter is an obvious decoy and following him around on a blind merrygoround is pointless.

Ever since then it's been

"I think Sansha are going to attack here."
"Any sign of them in Local"
"No but Ghost Hunter..."

Last night the channel was whipped up in a mass frenzy of either IC or OOC stupidity, sadly I can't really tell which it was. But all people had to go on was intel and the fact Ghost Hunter had been seen hanging around there and then "OMG HE'S LIGHTING A CYNO" and more people jumping in.

People joining or not reading 3 lines of text above their "WHERE IS THE EVENT?" and blatently disregarding the point of the channel and the whole thing just became a giant clusterfuck. It's an IC channel where people are suppose to be trained capsuleers, the truth is that channel was like a group of excited 14 year old boys who just found a discarded porn mag in the nearby woods.


I've got mod access in that channel, and I tried cleaning it up for about 4-5 days. It ended up being a full time job for the hours I was online and I got zero time to undock myself and enjoy the event, doubled up with the crap and grief I got from people who were banned, their mates were banned, their alliance members were banned and I just thought "well fuck this"

Problem is, that not everyone in that channel is like that, there's a good group of people that are serious about working together in the events and like you have Lilith not all may be RP;ers but they at least behave in a responsible manner in the channel. Furthermore it's the only real resource to co-ordinate a decent defence across the four empires, not everyone joins the set up local channels.


Anyway I'm ranting >.< I'd spend time in EVE doing anything else, but it's Sansha. There's nothing Cael would rather do than blow as many up as often as he can.

[Ember Vykos]

Hell I loved it. My lil ole Drake got blown up by several cap ships, and I didnt know about it till 5 minutes later. I got a laugh out of that, had a chance to RP, and flew in the biggest fleet Ive ever been in. All in all it was a win for me. Woulda been cooler without the lag, but im not gonna complain I knew it would be laggy and that I would probably die going in, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

[Kyoko Sakoda]

More roleplayers actually PvPing? Win.

[Kaldor Mintat]

Caellach, sorry to say it seemed more or like as a given it would end up ooc heaven in syne. Many that are using that are not roleplayers in any way except perhaps lolrp. As you said there is a solid group on rpers there but tends to get drowned out.

As for Lilliths original post, yes, a number of people seem to take this way to seriously. Seen it in a minor way in the alliance/copr where it manifests like "well, last time i bother putting any time into this event crap". No matter that it was never any part as such of the events.

[Lillith Blackheart]

For the record.

This should never be said to someone:

"best to put your hands up and say, "sorry that wasn't official, we messed up a bit" you gotta remember, people are pissed off at you OOC-not Ic ... Its nto good for the game"

Ever.

If it is the case you are feeling that way, it's not the people who ran a spontaneous player event that are the problem. Understand that.

That is very important.

[Darveses]

It was awesome stuff you people did there Lilith

I'd have been there to lose another Drake to you people, but my connection decided to die 15 minutes prior to the "Final Sansha Invasion"