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Nugoeihuvi Corporation
« on: 30 Jan 2014, 11:26 »

There has been significant discussion lately, here and in-game, of the different megacorps that get little attention from CCP. I see no reason why we can't have separate discussions for individual ones - let's see how the community interperetes and perceives them.

What we know from canon:

Practicals Bloc:
"The Sukuuvestaa Corporation, CBD Corporation, and Nugoeihuvi Corporation between them make up the Practical faction, which cares little for limiting concepts like ethics. This bloc is frequently associated with organized crime and has an exploitative view of international trade. It also takes a zero-sum view of profit and loss in cluster-wide markets.

Generally the most pro-Heth of the three political groups, the Practicals appreciate the new opportunities he's delivered, and while being forced to cede political control to his Providence Directorate is not a slight that they will easily forgive or forget, they're generally prepared to play along with him for as long as his actions remain productive. They're fully aware, though, that this state of affairs won't last forever, and they're quietly assembling plans to ensure that when he is brought down, the Practicals won't find themselves hamstrung by the other corporations. If in the end they have to topple Heth themselves, then that's what they'll do. In the meantime, they're content to beat the war-drums and use the fighting as a cover for their other activities."


"Heading the self-proclaimed “practicals” faction is the huge Sukuuvestaa Corporation. The SuVee, as it is commonly known, is one of the oldest Caldari corporations, matched only by the Kaalakiota Corporation in size. The exploiters, which also include the CBD Corporation and NOH (Nugoeihuvi) Corporation, have practiced unethical business tactics for a long time, as well as being frequently associated with organized crime elements. The practicals see the other empires merely as naïve markets ready to be exploited by unrestricted and ruthless trade where everything goes. The recent Protein Delicacy episode serves as a good example of what kind of business these companies want. They care little about who is a friend with whom and even less about what long-term political ramifications their unscrupulous business practices can have. They are mercantilist in their views on trade, believing that profit for one always means loss for another."

Nugoeihuvi Corporation
"The only Caldari mega corporation that has focused on the entertainment industry. NOH, as they're commonly called, have always been suspected of strong ties to the Caldari underworld, mainly because many of their products cater to that social element or are on the borderline of legality."

"Chief activity: Nugoeihuvi is the largest manufacturer and distributor of entertainment products, as evident by its name (Nug-oei-huvi means play-relax-enjoy, the corporation is commonly called NOH).

Brief history: NOH was originally a conglomerate of small companies that manufactured all kinds of luxury goods, ranging from delicatessens to quality furniture. But once the Caldari had formed their independent empire, they filled the void created when the Gallente entertainment business was cut out. Over the years the entertainment business has slowly become the main activity of NOH. The NOH have many times been accused of having dealings with the underworld, those rumors have never been proved or disproved."


Entertainment:
"The professional gladiators, gamers, and gamblers of the State make up the entertainment caste of the Caldari. This group is widely considered the most diverse in the State, being made up of citizens from a wide array of backgrounds, particularly ordinary Caldari who broke into the professional scene through luck or skill. At the bottom, competitors engage in daily battles to ascend up the ranks, a labor grind in itself. At the top, prestiged warriors are honored highly by the Caldari masses, and are among the most wealthy State citizens. The dynamics of this particular brand of entertainment means it is very easy to plummet to become a nobody, even from an esteemed position. The non-meritocratic nature regarding games of chance is mostly overlooked by the Caldari.

A slight majority of the members of this caste are from the NOH corporation, though they are nonetheless found in all corporations. Entertainers in the commercial arts (such as music and visual media) are few and far between, as this is not considered an aspect of typical Caldari entertainment. This niche is filled in by the Gallente instead.

There is a niche in Caldari entertainment for the classical arts, consumed by the chief executive and executive castes. Citizens who have already well-established themselves in one of the more standard fields can earn respect by the production of classical artwork in the ascetic and minimalist Caldari style. Wealthy traditionalists pay a large cash sum to these individuals. It is considered bad form for a citizen to earn a living purely from making art, as their art must be representative of everyday Caldari living, and not the product of a detached citizen who does not commit to the same hard work as everyone else."

/Canon

My Take:

Contradictions
First, there is one potential contradiction implied by the PF here:
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But once the Caldari had formed their independent empire, they filled the void created when the Gallente entertainment business was cut out.

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Entertainers in the commercial arts (such as music and visual media) are few and far between, as this is not considered an aspect of typical Caldari entertainment. This niche is filled in by the Gallente instead.

Either the Gallente entertainment business was cut out only initially after the Caldari gained independence and slowly regained exposure, or this is PF is contradicting itself. This is important for considerations of NOH - if the Gallente still fill the need of holovids, music, etc., then the industries NOH is involved in is even narrower than it already is.

What does NOH do?
First, the PF states that entertainment "became the main activity of NOH." This implies that they are still involved in their previous markets, namely, luxury goods.

Second, the emphasis in Caldari entertainment is gladiators, games, and gambling.

Games:
We have virtually no information about Caldari-specific "games" beyond gladiator arenas. The other games mentioned in the PF are intergalactic in popularity. The most well-known, and the one we have the most PF on, is Mind Clash (We have almost no PF about Pettokori or Skyball). There is strong evidence in the PF that Mind Clash is popular amongst Caldari alongside gladiators:
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The early years of the sport were often marred by controversy and shady dealings. Numerous accusations of match fixing were leveled against both players and tournament officials, cheating through the use of drugs and neural boosters was rampant, and many players cracked under the intense psychological pressure that top-tier matches induced. By YC 20, the sport was more popular than ever, but also was tottering at the edge of collapse under scandals and criminal charges.

It was the Caldari who potentially saved the sport. Their sanctioning body, the Caldari Clash Coalition, began to enforce strict rules against the use of performance enhancing drugs by competitors, opened their books to public review, had winner's purses dwarfing the other bodies, and permanently banned anyone caught violating even the smallest rule. Combined with aggressive marketing that often overstated the corruption in the other sanctioning bodies, these unusual methods worked; players flocked to their tournaments, abandoning the other organizers.

First, shady dealings in a sport are just begging to have NOH involved. Second, if the Caldari had a sanctioning body, it would seem Mind Clash enjoys significant popularity with Caldari.

It would seem the most logical to me that NOH, as the largest entertainment conglomerate in the State, would have an extensive system of sponsorship, teams, and organizing regional Caldari leagues. With Mind Clash, I am imagining an extremely upsized version of the Starcraft leagues and tournaments that exist in real life.

Gambling
With Pettokori being a gambling game played on a board, it is implied that many gambling games have an element of skill involved. I'm imagining less slot machine style games, more blackjack - still luck, but skill slightly increases your luck. Given the other implications of PF, which I discuss below, it seems like this style of gambling is certainly the least popular.

Since NOH is described as shady, it seems that a conglomeration of casinos and gambling operations would make sense. In addition, the potentially limited involvement in holovids and music implies operations on a massive scale in other industries in order to justify the label "megacorp". For a real life analogy, I am imagining the gambling beast that is MGM Resorts International but on an even larger scale.

From the PF:
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Whatever the sport, they love betting on the outcome, making gambling a massive industry in the State.

While I am not saying that I see them having a monopoly on gambling, it does seem the most rational that NOH is as close as you can get to a monopoly in an industry. Especially with the little PF we have explicitly making note of the fact that they are the only megacorp to focus on entertainment.

In addition, this also creates more situations for shady dealings. If you are close to a monopoly and are in the Practicals bloc (which explicitly is described as viewing profit as purely zero-sum), it follows that you would use shady and criminal tactics to maintain that near-monopoly. The obvious real life examples are the mob dominating Las Vegas for the time that they did.

Gladiators:
The big one, in that it is the specifically Caldari one. Besides the PF I started with, we also have this tidbit:
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To curb their aggressive tendencies, the Caldari actively pursue and sponsor a range of sporting activities. Many of these are bloody, gladiatorial-like competitions, while others are more like races. Whatever the sport, they love betting on the outcome, making gambling a massive industry in the State.

This provides the second possible contradiction - it doesn't distinguish between sports and gladiators. In the earlier PF quoted above, gladiators and gamers are listed separately. This implies that violent games (rugby on steroids or something) are separate from strictly gladiator events.

Beyond that minor detail, here is how I've interpreted the PF:

First, these competitions are actively bet on. Further, that quote implies a direct connection between the betting on events and the massiveness of the gambling industry. This reinforces the notion that gambling in the State is less slot machine, more betting on competition. It also implies how unbelievably massive the gladiatorial and sporting industries must be in order to almost singlehandedly drive a huge gambling industry.

Second, it says sponsors. This implies a UFC-like system where an overarching authority organizes the leagues and sponsors support individual events, teams, and athletes. Based on the PF, it would seem logical that NOH is that overarching authority for a huge percentage of the leagues and events, with other corporations specifically sponsoring the outcomes of teams and athletes. Owning and operating most of the leagues and gambling institutions in the State can easily justify the label "megacorp".

So in the case of the UFC, a fighter has a contract with the UFC itself - but their team or individual training is sponsored and paid for by other corporations or entities; in some cases (typically newer or, frankly, untalented fighters) they pay out of their own pocket. This system of contract with the organizer but sponsorship by others is what maintains active competition instead of a sport turning into scripted entertainment like the WWE. Given the State's corporatism, it would make sense that sponsorship would be an extremely important, cutthroat, and vital component of State entertainment. This again provides ample situations for shady dealings with NOH.

The other benefit to this perception of gladiators and gambling is that it would also explain a league structure that would allow a tiered system of leagues. Regional leagues would have local sponsors, local audiences, local gambling, with the gladiators attempting to launch themselves into the larger State-wide leagues and the mainstage. This provides a basis for some gladiators, mentioned in the PF, as being hugely famous and some of the richest Caldari. It also provides reasoning behind the PF stating that these stars can drop from their glory incredibly fast - nothing would do that faster than being relegated back down to a regional league.

When I am saying regional here, I am meaning it in the general sense - not the Eve designation of an area of the cluster. It would be rational for tiered leagues to go all the way down to planetside. You have to start somewhere. So leagues could go planetside, constellation, region, State-wide. Some system of tiered leagues would almost have to exist, because you can't have someone become a gladiator and the very next day validly challenge a current champion.

The other aspect of gladiators that is often debated (though the Caldari RP community has started to reach a consensus on this it seems) is what "bloody" means. Well, it means bloody. Don't insert death where it is not written. To again use the UFC example, none of those fights are stopped due to blood. All competitors are screened for diseases before they are allowed to compete and fights are typically only stopped for obviously broken bones, someone giving up, or a knockout.

I see no reason why State gladiator competitions would be any different. Would deaths accidentally happen? Of course, all combat-style competition has that risk. But this is a huge industry attached to untold amounts of gambling money. Besides the unjustified grimdark^2 aspect of death sports, it would make absolutely no business sense for your stars to be constantly killing each other. An industry of this size would have rules, regulations, and culture-wide respectability.

Broad Implications:
Beyond all of this overthinking of specifics that won't be too interesting to someone not writing a character who's background is deeply involved in all of this (ahem), the implications here for NOH are rather huge. It denies the validity of those who have argued that NOH is essentially a corrupt version of Viacom. This is not what entertainment means in the State.

The PF is clearly implying a huge sporting and gladiatorial industry driving a huge gambling industry. It seems clear to me that this is entertainment in the State. It is a deeply significant part of the culture.

Sure, there might be some holovids and some music. But this bit of PF really crushes the idea that the State consumes popular culture in that way:

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It is considered bad form for a citizen to earn a living purely from making art, as their art must be representative of everyday Caldari living, and not the product of a detached citizen who does not commit to the same hard work as everyone else.

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Entertainers in the commercial arts (such as music and visual media) are few and far between, as this is not considered an aspect of typical Caldari entertainment.

I have heard many players somehow interpret this as the Caldari not caring about entertainment. This is clearly not in line with the rest of the PF already quoted. Entertainment is a massive industry in the State that drives an equally massive gambling industry. It is simply more focused genres of entertainment. Take the music, art, holovids, and fashion that make up a typical entertainment industry and combine those markets and industry all into competition and gambling. That is a huge industry.

This is why NOH is a megacorp, in my opinion. Yes, the PF leaves room for them to still create some luxury goods and other industries. But frankly, they don't need much else beyond the massive sporting and gambling industries in order to qualify as a megacorp. In my opinion, people are underestimating the sheer size and influence of gambling, games, and gladiators in the State.

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NOH Signal Operators
Trusted with secrets that at times, are shared only with the uppermost echelons of Nugoeihuvi, these signal operators are the very definition of "insiders". For these men and women, there will be no other career in their life. The classified information they transmit on a daily basis ensures that much.

Although Caldari in positions like this tend to lead lives as happy as any other citizen, those lives can also quite easily come to an end if they ever decide the grass is greener elsewhere, or cave to an offer of ISK for information. Those who are identified as potential risks are frequently targeted by Nugoeihuvi's own Internal Security department, if not immediately "removed". Nugoeihuvi’s defense force is called "Internal Security" for a reason; they practically invented the concept, refining it to the level of ruthless self-scrutiny inherent in every corporate infrastructure today.

Nugoeihuvi Caretaker
Those who watch over Nugoeihuvi's secret storage facilities are entrusted with secrets that run deep inside the shadowed histories of the NOH staff. Valued for their loyalty, discretion and endless hunger for ISK, these men and women serve Nugoeihuvi's darkest interests without question.

Under the Radar
Nicknamed the "Shadow HQ" after its curious location, the Nugoeihuvi station in Poinen sits just one jump out from their Headquarters and shares the system with Internal Security HQ, the security arm of NOH. For certain individuals, the station is ideally situated, offering fast and easy personal access to many of NOH's highest-ranking officials - whilst remaining on the periphery of things, unnoticed in the shadow of the 13th moon. To those who are charged with the defense of Nugoeihuvi interests, it is not Josameto but Poinen that is considered the nexus, the bustling heart of a corporation that is their whole world.

These tidbits reinforce the notion of organized crime with a laundered or somewhat presentable front. That presentable front could be luxury goods or the gambling and gladiator industries, but NOH certainly has their fingers in many pies. I think my initial interpretation written above is reinforced even better with this added info.

Also, Bloodsport Arenas:
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To escape the jurisdiction of those who would curb their entertainments, full-contact fight promoters and unlicensed, duel-to-the-death Clash Masters have taken to setting up these deep-space arenas for their brutal games to take place in.  A hive of scum and villainy -- or, alternatively, a wonderland of sport and blood-stained jollity.

It would make sense that smaller versions of these would exist throughout the cluster and, within Caldari territory, have underground connections to NOH. From the basement beneath the bar to an obscure arena in deep space that can hold thousands of spectators, it would make sense that no-holds barred fighting would be an outlet for those who can't make it in the regulated leagues - or in the case of NOH, it could be an outlet to try to get yourself recognized by them or potential sponsors.

Fighting leagues typically have very strict schedules and once you are actually making a living, you have very limited fights per year. This would be another way for gladiators to make a living while waiting for the next official bout to come along.
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Re: Nugoeihuvi Corporation
« Reply #1 on: 30 Jan 2014, 11:59 »

Nice work, sir, and good reading. I wish I had the time to put this kind of effort in for Wiyrkomi.

Some impressions I got from NOH were that they were market manipulators, not producers but brokers of vice, not appealing to Caldari tastes alone, but exploiting the proclivities of the other empires for the betterment of the State. One possibility I imagined is that they hunt for entertainment markets to control outside the State, subvert the populace in these markets after muscling out the locals, and reap the profits.

Just an idear in addition to the supporting text for gladiatorial production/consumption.
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Re: Nugoeihuvi Corporation
« Reply #2 on: 30 Jan 2014, 12:05 »

Nice work, sir, and good reading. I wish I had the time to put this kind of effort in for Wiyrkomi.

Some impressions I got from NOH were that they were market manipulators, not producers but brokers of vice, not appealing to Caldari tastes alone, but exploiting the proclivities of the other empires for the betterment of the State. One possibility I imagined is that they hunt for entertainment markets to control outside the State, subvert the populace in these markets after muscling out the locals, and reap the profits.

Just an idear in addition to the supporting text for gladiatorial production/consumption.

As far as time goes, this is what I do to take a break from things that actually need to be done. =P

But yes, that notion is very befitting to the notion of NOH owning the leagues, structure, and contracts with individual gladiators - but allowing the sponsors and outside corporations essentially "produce" the gladiators through training and funding. It seems logical that this would extend to other markets as well.
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Re: Nugoeihuvi Corporation
« Reply #3 on: 31 Jan 2014, 03:17 »

Here is a bit of NOH pieces taken from the Lorebook:

Nugoeihuvi Corporation
The Caldari State's answer to the cultural powerhouses of the Federation, Nugoeihuvi Corporation (more commonly known as simply "NOH") is one of the leading entertainment providers of the cluster. Nugoeihuvi Corporation is rumored to have dealings with criminals and others of questionable moral character, although their working relationship with the real-estate giant Sukuuvestaa Corporation, for instance, has helped the company maintain at least the appearance of discretion at most times. Every day, all sorts of NOH goods flow freely to consumers across State space, frequently with little or no questions asked.

NOH Signal Operators
Trusted with secrets that at times, are shared only with the uppermost echelons of Nugoeihuvi, these signal operators are the very definition of "insiders". For these men and women, there will be no other career in their life. The classified information they transmit on a daily basis ensures that much.

Although Caldari in positions like this tend to lead lives as happy as any other citizen, those lives can also quite easily come to an end if they ever decide the grass is greener elsewhere, or cave to an offer of ISK for information. Those who are identified as potential risks are frequently targeted by Nugoeihuvi's own Internal Security department, if not immediately "removed". Nugoeihuvi’s defense force is called "Internal Security" for a reason; they practically invented the concept, refining it to the level of ruthless self-scrutiny inherent in every corporate infrastructure today.

Nugoeihuvi Caretaker
Those who watch over Nugoeihuvi's secret storage facilities are entrusted with secrets that run deep inside the shadowed histories of the NOH staff. Valued for their loyalty, discretion and endless hunger for ISK, these men and women serve Nugoeihuvi's darkest interests without question.

Under the Radar
Nicknamed the "Shadow HQ" after its curious location, the Nugoeihuvi station in Poinen sits just one jump out from their Headquarters and shares the system with Internal Security HQ, the security arm of NOH. For certain individuals, the station is ideally situated, offering fast and easy personal access to many of NOH's highest-ranking officials - whilst remaining on the periphery of things, unnoticed in the shadow of the 13th moon. To those who are charged with the defense of Nugoeihuvi interests, it is not Josameto but Poinen that is considered the nexus, the bustling heart of a corporation that is their whole world.
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Re: Nugoeihuvi Corporation
« Reply #4 on: 31 Jan 2014, 09:15 »

Here is a bit of NOH pieces taken from the Lorebook:

Nugoeihuvi Corporation
The Caldari State's answer to the cultural powerhouses of the Federation, Nugoeihuvi Corporation (more commonly known as simply "NOH") is one of the leading entertainment providers of the cluster. Nugoeihuvi Corporation is rumored to have dealings with criminals and others of questionable moral character, although their working relationship with the real-estate giant Sukuuvestaa Corporation, for instance, has helped the company maintain at least the appearance of discretion at most times. Every day, all sorts of NOH goods flow freely to consumers across State space, frequently with little or no questions asked.

NOH Signal Operators
Trusted with secrets that at times, are shared only with the uppermost echelons of Nugoeihuvi, these signal operators are the very definition of "insiders". For these men and women, there will be no other career in their life. The classified information they transmit on a daily basis ensures that much.

Although Caldari in positions like this tend to lead lives as happy as any other citizen, those lives can also quite easily come to an end if they ever decide the grass is greener elsewhere, or cave to an offer of ISK for information. Those who are identified as potential risks are frequently targeted by Nugoeihuvi's own Internal Security department, if not immediately "removed". Nugoeihuvi’s defense force is called "Internal Security" for a reason; they practically invented the concept, refining it to the level of ruthless self-scrutiny inherent in every corporate infrastructure today.

Nugoeihuvi Caretaker
Those who watch over Nugoeihuvi's secret storage facilities are entrusted with secrets that run deep inside the shadowed histories of the NOH staff. Valued for their loyalty, discretion and endless hunger for ISK, these men and women serve Nugoeihuvi's darkest interests without question.

Under the Radar
Nicknamed the "Shadow HQ" after its curious location, the Nugoeihuvi station in Poinen sits just one jump out from their Headquarters and shares the system with Internal Security HQ, the security arm of NOH. For certain individuals, the station is ideally situated, offering fast and easy personal access to many of NOH's highest-ranking officials - whilst remaining on the periphery of things, unnoticed in the shadow of the 13th moon. To those who are charged with the defense of Nugoeihuvi interests, it is not Josameto but Poinen that is considered the nexus, the bustling heart of a corporation that is their whole world.

So the Epic Mission Arc does support the notion that they still have their hands in various luxury and good markets, which helps those who don't like the idea of NOH being purely entertainment/gambling. Good to know.
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« Reply #5 on: 31 Jan 2014, 13:05 »

I think NOH might also be involved in other forms of "entertainment" such as prostitution, pornography, and the illicit drugs trade which both forms the basis for the rumours of its ties to criminal cartels and the success of which is due to the efficiency of its Internal Security branch and secretive nature as a whole.
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« Reply #6 on: 31 Jan 2014, 23:08 »

I think NOH might also be involved in other forms of "entertainment" such as prostitution, pornography, and the illicit drugs trade which both forms the basis for the rumours of its ties to criminal cartels and the success of which is due to the efficiency of its Internal Security branch and secretive nature as a whole.

Sure, it makes sense that they would have their fingers in multiple pies - but for some reason the notion of criminal activity revolving around gambling has always made sense to me with how important gambling is in the State. Add in the things you mentioned and money laundering, you essentially have a Caldari version of the mob.
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« Reply #7 on: 01 Feb 2014, 08:12 »

I'm going to edit my post and add a second part discussing the item descriptions that I somehow missed which were posted above. There are some implications there worth including in the original post.

Also, do people find this specific sort of post worthwhile? If not, I can just keep my writeups in my own files for personal reference.
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« Reply #8 on: 01 Feb 2014, 10:08 »

The old Caldari description mentioned 'Splinterz' which is a gladiatorial sport between giant robots.   Also, anywhere there is a NOH station there is usually (but not always) a Quafe station nearby.     I find it an  amusing co-incidence that  RvB are headquartered in Josameto and Poinen.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Echelon_Entertainmenting
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« Reply #9 on: 01 Feb 2014, 14:08 »

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Echelon_Entertainment

Good read. Schools built specifically to headhunt children, who being extensively trained in traditional song and drama become a pantomime of Caldari cultural ideals... I find this strangely appropriate.
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« Reply #10 on: 01 Feb 2014, 20:54 »

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Echelon_Entertainment

Good read. Schools built specifically to headhunt children, who being extensively trained in traditional song and drama become a pantomime of Caldari cultural ideals... I find this strangely appropriate.

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« Reply #11 on: 02 Feb 2014, 12:31 »

NOH also has heavy ties to the Guristas Pirates, and not so subtle at that either. I still have my 10 Nugoeihuvi dogtags with Guristas skullbunny on them.
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« Reply #12 on: 02 Feb 2014, 16:46 »

Added another section based on the additional information provided by Myyona, as well as Bloodsport Arenas.
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« Reply #13 on: 03 Feb 2014, 03:43 »

NOH also has heavy ties to the Guristas Pirates, and not so subtle at that either. I still have my 10 Nugoeihuvi dogtags with Guristas skullbunny on them.

Kaalakiota and SuVee's early rivalry started over increasing the power and prestige of the Caldari Navy - Kaalakiota wanted to increase it's budget and SuVee wanted to develop land.    While officially each member of the CEP has equal say in the control of the Caldari Navy - Kaalakiota and it's political allies Lai Dai and Wiyrkomi are very much involved in building naval ships, infrastructure and developing new weapons for the Caldari Navy.   Those three also heavily promote a culture of honoring members of the military.

It's probably safe to guess then that most of the Caldari Navy's admiralty are probably sourced from one of those three or at the very least have a closer working relationship than they likely have with say SuVee or NOH.

Given the dominance of their rivals over the Caldari Navy, and a major point of contention being the strength of the Navy, it does make a certain sense that they'd use 'outlaws' to do their biding.  Makes me think that that Guristas might be more apart of the State's structure than is apparent.

This makes even more sense if the Peace and Order Unit and Internal Security are both primarily ground based military/civilian police force.   The Guristas could provide a self funding and deniable naval force to achieve SuVee and NOH's strategic objectives.   

Further, while I mentioned above that I think the majority of the Caldari Navy's brass and even rank and file comes from the Patriot faction, some certainly have to come from Practical sources.   

Unlike their Patriot cohorts they may not been indoctrinated to believe the Caldari Navy is the height of honor.  In fact the may have been raised in a culture that subtly frowns upon naval service.  When their tour of duty is up, or if they've decided they just don't fit into the Patriot dominated CN culture, they have a skill set that isn't that useful to SuVee or NOH proper.   

The Guristas on the other hand have plenty of use for them.   This could lead to a common personnel flow of:  Practical Corp -> Caldari Navy -> Guristas.  Perhaps within the Practical culture it isn't even considered a dishonor to join the Guristas. No more so than peddling Gallente porn anyway.

 I think the Guristas PF does mention that the majority of it's officers come from the CN and aren't home grown, so if the average Guristas recruit grew up in a Practical corp, then culturally the Guristas and Practicals would more similar than other groups. Further, it would much easier for them to do business with the practicals since most of their members would have points of contact (family) within them.

Since the Guristas are even bigger than than Home Guard and perhaps even rival the Navy in size why wouldn't the Practicals use them as often as possible?

Since the Practicals favor mercantilism, which includes the use of wealth/military to acquire more wealth/firepower then they could be deliberately  promoting the flow of personal into the CN for training and then into the Guristas who control vast amounts of space and resources in nullsec.   Perhaps those Guristas NPC out in Venal are for all intent and purposes  SuVee or NOH employees.

Even if it isn't necessarily  a deliberate grand strategy by the Practical leadership - the Caldari are entrepreneurs.    If the Practicals teach a mercantilistic school of economics to their members then perhaps it's a case of self starting Practical entrepreneurs using what they are taught to break off and acquire wealth out on the frontier.     They may even have  part of their business operating as above the board citizens under a SuVee or NOH banner while the other half is out hunting rare mineral deposits under Gurista's flag (and of course shooting and looting anybody they happen to come across in the process).   
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Vincent Pryce

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Re: Nugoeihuvi Corporation
« Reply #14 on: 03 Feb 2014, 09:02 »

Interesting points about the practicals.

Though as far as I know, only NOH holds the tags and other ties to Guristas. In many ways I found NOH to be in similar relationship to the Guristas as the Serpentis is to the Angel Cartel, but that's more my speculation than solid pf fact.

It is mentioned in the guri-pf that a lot of their members come from Caldari Navy and from the disenfranchised of the State. Such as the gay population - see such officers as Kaikka Peunato. Being gay is not ok in the State even if the player base conveniently like to ignore it for their purposes. Unless they have changed this again recently, you can find this in Kaikka's in-game bio.
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