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[Saede Riordan]

I was under the impression that some Holders actually bred slaves...and as long as the slaves aren't discouraged from getting it on with one another, there'll be offspring, so yeah, not sure how the "we're going to run out of slaves" thinking comes into play?

Because you're only supposed to keep slaves for 9 generations. Eventually you will run out if you abide that rule and don't bring in fresh stock.

[Morwen Lagann]

I was under the impression that some Holders actually bred slaves...and as long as the slaves aren't discouraged from getting it on with one another, there'll be offspring, so yeah, not sure how the "we're going to run out of slaves" thinking comes into play?

Because you're only supposed to keep slaves for 9 generations. Eventually you will run out if you abide that rule and don't bring in fresh stock.

I don't think that proclamation was supposed to be a continuing thing. Did it say it was going to institute a limit on generations from then on, or was it just a one-time "if you're 9th gen or above right now, get the fuck out of here" thing like I remember it being?

[Shaikar]

On modernising the IN, there's evidence it was happening before Jamyl. The most obvious is the description on some of the Amarr t2 ships - for example the Zealot item description says it's Viziam's first major starship design and they now mass produce it for the Imperial Navy. That predates Jamyl and navies that aren't modernising wouldn't be spunking ISK up the wall having major research and manufacturing companies design and mass produce ships for them.

Also, when wormholes and t3 landed there were a few news reports about suspected IN legions playing hit and run games in Matari space. The stories never went anywhere and you could put it down to "special forces" rather than standard navy units but still.

Naturally none of this means a thing when put against the usual level of world story telling.

[Louella Dougans]

I was under the impression that some Holders actually bred slaves...and as long as the slaves aren't discouraged from getting it on with one another, there'll be offspring, so yeah, not sure how the "we're going to run out of slaves" thinking comes into play?

I don't think that proclamation was supposed to be a continuing thing. Did it say it was going to institute a limit on generations from then on, or was it just a one-time "if you're 9th gen or above right now, get the fuck out of here" thing like I remember it being?

Only 9th+ generation Minmatar. One off.

Ealurians, there are plenty of, and are not covered by teh emancipation thing.

FURTHERMORE, Ealurians, are better at physical labour than Minmatars, of all sorts.

SO, again, why is there even this idea about "Running out of slaves". The concept is ludicrous.

[Shintoko Akahoshi]

[Removed. I spent too long formulating a reply that ended up saying the same things that everyone else said on this page]

[Vincent Pryce]

I was under the impression that some Holders actually bred slaves...and as long as the slaves aren't discouraged from getting it on with one another, there'll be offspring, so yeah, not sure how the "we're going to run out of slaves" thinking comes into play?

I don't think that proclamation was supposed to be a continuing thing. Did it say it was going to institute a limit on generations from then on, or was it just a one-time "if you're 9th gen or above right now, get the fuck out of here" thing like I remember it being?

Only 9th+ generation Minmatar. One off.

Ealurians, there are plenty of, and are not covered by teh emancipation thing.

FURTHERMORE, Ealurians, are better at physical labour than Minmatars, of all sorts.

SO, again, why is there even this idea about "Running out of slaves". The concept is ludicrous.

Propaganda. It doesn't need to be real or even remotely factual as long as it serves a purpose.

[Louella Dougans]

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/aritcio-kor-azor-urges-calm-republic-denounces-imperial-aggression/

Kor-Azor Prime – In the first public statement made by a member of the Privy Council since news broke about Merimeth Sarum's proposal to relaunch the Reclaiming, Aritcio Kor-Azor preached a calm and measured approach.

“We must not rush hastily into an escalation of war,” the Heir and Imperial Chancellor said to reporters with the Amarr Certified News. “The Empyrean War has already taken a heavy toll on the Bleak Lands and Devoid. We must be cautious if we do not want to bring it to the borders of the Throne Worlds themselves.”

According to Kor-Azor, the Empire must tread carefully and only act after a full examination of the situation has been made. “Is the Minmatar Republic really more belligerent, as some are claiming? Or is it merely the chirping of an annoyed furrier with no force behind it? We must determine the truth of the matter before we take any sort of action.” Despite this, the Heir has pledged “my house's forces stand ready for whatever my empress commands.”

Sanmatar Maleatu Shakor has issued a statement denouncing Merimeth Sarum and Catiz Tash-Murkon, saying, “The Minmatar Republic does not take threats against it lightly. We have stood resolute for over a century and will never be subject to oppression again. Our culture, our people, our lives are our own and nobody else's. Any sign of aggression from the Empire will be met and revisited tenfold.”

Mediators from CONCORD have apparently stepped in to prevent any escalation of conflict. A delegation of CONCORD representatives have been seen at the imperial palace at Dam-Torsad, while another has been spotted meeting with tribal chiefs.

Why would CONCORD even bother sending a delegation to the Minmatar ?

[Lyn Farel]

Yeah, and why CONCORD is suddenly doing something here when they were busy looking elsewhere when it happened between the Gallente and Caldari ?

[AOkazon]

Is there a good source that explains what all these slaves do, anyway? The Amarr, like the rest of the cluster, are a technologically advanced society. One of the reasons we don't have slaves anymore is because it's really pre-industrial -- let alone pre-robotic.

A massive stellar empire can't seriously have, like, legions of slaves tilling the soil or shit like that. And even having them hand-manufacture spaceships or whatever is an economic disaster waiting to happen.

[Louella Dougans]

Is there a good source that explains what all these slaves do, anyway? The Amarr, like the rest of the cluster, are a technologically advanced society. One of the reasons we don't have slaves anymore is because it's really pre-industrial -- let alone pre-robotic.

A massive stellar empire can't seriously have, like, legions of slaves tilling the soil or shit like that. And even having them hand-manufacture spaceships or whatever is an economic disaster waiting to happen.

Well, actually, that's what they do. Hand-cultivation of crops. That's what the remnant Starkmanir were still doing when that whole shebang kicked off.

~seriously~

Oh, and also, mining rocks BY HAND

[Lyn Farel]

The only explanation we have is that the Empire does not benefit from it economically, but that they do it for their souls.

At the same time, we have the difference between actually educated slaves and labor slaves that are considered as cattle for work labor. 

[AOkazon]

The only explanation we have is that the Empire does not benefit from it economically, but that they do it for their souls.

Right. Which would imply that they're... actually make-work projects?

[Nicoletta Mithra]

I don't know, we have a post industrial world that largely shuns slavery: Yet today we have more slaves on earth than ever before.

There are lots of tasks even in a modern industrialized world that are done cheaper and even more efficiently by people than machines. Like, ah, sewing clothes, for example, picking grapes, strawberries and the like and a lot of other tasks...

And actually, industrialization with assembly line manufacture was taking a lot of jobs away from specialists and employed instead people that needed little actual knowledge of what they do, because it's just one repetitive task. Tasks salves are quite suitable for.

[Gabriel Darkefyre]

Why would CONCORD even bother sending a delegation to the Minmatar ?

Because they believe, quite rightly, that the most likely Matari response to the Heirs Sabre Rattling would go along the lines of "Oh, Really? *cracks knuckles* Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough!"

[Louella Dougans]

Why would CONCORD even bother sending a delegation to the Minmatar ?

Because they believe, quite rightly, that the most likely Matari response to the Heirs Sabre Rattling would go along the lines of "Oh, Really? *cracks knuckles* Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough!"

The CONCORD Yulai station is still in pieces the last time that CONCORD and the Minmatar disagreed about something.

I guess people have just forgotten about all of that, when the Minmatar did the equivalent of planting a car bomb outside the UN building to complain about the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons treaties. vOv

~Elders~