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[Silas Vitalia]

There is sometimes a wide assumption by some RPers that the Amarr Empire is prudish with regards to sexuality, alcohol, and anything 'fun.'

Let's discuss.

If you have evidence to support this being the general lay of the land let's hear it.

I think we should steer clear of hoisting too much 20th century conservative religious judeo-christian morality onto a 20,000 year future spinoff of the faith.

These people look at violence in a very different way (Articio, Ardishapur's hand, etc), I have to believe their take on sexuality, homosexuality, alcohol consumption, etc will not be on the same moral scale some christians/muslims use here on Earth today.

So when I get people with the whole 'amarr don't drink, amarr don't have sex, amarr don't have FUN' trope it makes me sadface.

Brazil is pretty Catholic.  Go watch Carnivale sometimes.  They aren't even wearing clothes There are displays of raw sexuality and debauchery there that are quite powerful and not in line with the pious catholic stereotype.

Some of the most awesome and powerful beers were made by catholic MONKS.

Etc, etc,  My point is it's a wide Empire, with lots of things going on, that dumping all Amarr into a 'no fun zone' go pray and be celibate sort of attitude is limiting and I don't think correct for the PF.

[Lithium Flower]

I have a counterquestion.
Why sexuality, homosexuality, alcohol consumption are accented as Amarr "fun"?
Maybe there are other sorts of fun after all, eh? 

Oh, and if amarr didn't have sex, how did they make small amarrs? 

As for amarrian sexuality, I have read somewhere, that amarr consider showing naked body as a sin. Unfortunately, I don't remember who or where it was, so maybe some amarr roleplayers will correct me.

And meanwhile I will enjoy my little naive virgin khanid 

[Adreena Madeveda]

As silly as it may sounds, I have the feeling a good part of Amarr supposed austerity comes from their avatars. Seems hard to make an Amarr character that doesn't look like life just gave her/him a full box of lemons.

I really like the recent thing about the festivities and how Jamyl reacted to it. Enthusiasm etymologically means, after all, "divine transport". I suppose a certain amount of joy and ecstasy is carried for the trip. Even if, especially if Amarr culture as a whole is all bottled up, those kind of festivities and excess are a necessary valve.

As far as I'm concerned, the more variety there is in Amarr rp, from space calvinism to Rocky Amarr Picture Show (i.e. classy manor outside and "Olawd ! My dignity !" inside), the better.

[Samira Kernher]

[ArtOfLight]

I think it's most accurate to say that the Amarr value everything in moderation (at least publicly).

There is nothing wrong with drinking or having a party, or any number of other social activities as long as it maintains expected levels of decorum and decency. Public nudity is obviously a no go, sex is something that should be considered private and stay that way, etc.

I don't see any justification for them not having a good time and enjoying the lives they live, rather I see them focusing on maintaining a measure of decency and practicing moderation when it comes to the consumption of alcohol and their behavior.

[Sepherim]

I think, when it comes to the Amarr, it's all a matter of the moment and the place. Some things may be perfectly appropriate to do in every moment and place, while others may require specific ones: privacy, festivities, the group of friends, etc. So, for example, being naked in public may be a grave sin, but probably there is no problem in being naked with your husband/wife.

So, among all factions, probably the Amarrs are the ones who are always closer to playing a masquerade, somewhat like victorian people: perfectly polite and respectful from the outside, while keeping their deviances and problems for private spheres or appropriate moments. I don't think any society could remain stable without some "fun", they're human as well afterall.

[Lithium Flower]

Yes, this!
Thank you!

[Samira Kernher]

So, among all factions, probably the Amarrs are the ones who are always closer to playing a masquerade, somewhat like victorian people: perfectly polite and respectful from the outside, while keeping their deviances and problems for private spheres or appropriate moments. I don't think any society could remain stable without some "fun", they're human as well afterall.

This is the way I view it. Reserved and composed in public, "loose and free" in private. Samira's got a lot of personal problems and vices, but she keeps it all very closely guarded. In public she's been accused of being "perfect", but those who are on more informal terms with her have gotten to see how messed up she really is in private settings.

[Techie Kanenald]

Rocky Amarr Picture Show

You just made my day.

[Silas Vitalia]

Rocky Amarr Picture Show

You just made my day.

That just made everyone's day. Epic post.

This needs to be a news story about this film being banned and censored and shown underground in the Empire.

NAO.

[Silas Vitalia]

The exotic dancer is some good evidence, nice find.

Maybe Seri has it right that it's more about the public / private / locational aspects rather than the activity itself. 

Good reference to the Victorians.

[Sepherim]

The exotic dancer is some good evidence, nice find.

Maybe Seri has it right that it's more about the public / private / locational aspects rather than the activity itself. 

Good reference to the Victorians.

It's a common thread among societies, the more they are repressive of some social displays, the more extreme they become in private. Victorians are a good example, but also we can look to modern days Japan for other examples, where it is "inappropriate" for your girlfriend to hold your hand in public, but the porn industry is completely inmense on the other side.

[Silas Vitalia]

The exotic dancer is some good evidence, nice find.

Maybe Seri has it right that it's more about the public / private / locational aspects rather than the activity itself. 

Good reference to the Victorians.

It's a common thread among societies, the more they are repressive of some social displays, the more extreme they become in private. Victorians are a good example, but also we can look to modern days Japan for other examples, where it is "inappropriate" for your girlfriend to hold your hand in public, but the porn industry is completely inmense on the other side.

This.   

[Esna Pitoojee]

Confirming my opinion that it's a case of location and time as well. "Chained to the Sky" has the characters order alcohol from a bar, so I think it's a fair assumption that the Amarr perspective on alcohol is "in moderation". The penalties (let alone the social stigma) on drunkenness and associated improprieties may be considerably greater than in modern western society.

[Lithium Flower]

I am not sure about alcoholic bewerage. But just taking a drink and drinking to totally drunken condition is a bit difference things.

If the religion is not against the drinking, the stopping factor may lie in the fact, that amarrians would like to avoid commiting sins while being drunk.