Well yes Senn, yes it can 
But not in here. Given the info provided in Templar One, how we know Tibus and Ishokune to work from before and etc. I'd say the title of traitors is subjective to a few different viewpoints. We can debate this in mail if you want, send me one with the arguments for Ishokune's treason and I'll reply with counter-arguments.
No, it really can't.
Any collaboration with the Federation, outside of the necessity of trade of course, is a direct denial of Statist ideology. And since 6 of the Big 8 are Patriots and Practicals, it's a betrayal of the Hethist administration. There's really no debate to be had.
Guess you did not get my point, so I will point this out more plainly. I know there is allot of it, but the above bold lines are, frankly, bullshit.
What *IS* the State's ideology, Senn?
The 'cleansing' of the State from all 'non-Caldari' influence?
Eternal war with the Federation?
The extermination of all things 'Gallente'?
The subjugation of the Republic?
All of these and more are possible aims if one take the Heth administration at face value - and who are they, anyhow? From some view-points, they are one man, his inner-demons and his yes-men. From others, the legitimate government who's word is law.
When the State was formed it was done as an alternative to remaining in the Federation. A State by Caldari FOR Caldari. Those who emigrate to it are either subsumed into the ranks and become Caldari in spirit or they go elsewhere. Each of the different 8 megas have slightly different flavor, different ideas and viewpoints, though they are all essentially Caldari in spirit. Ishukone's desire to trade with outside factions, for instance, is merely one of their ideas for self-improvement. That's quite fair, ne?
No it's not. Not according the man who in quite un-Caldari ways assumed power by trusting an outside provider with getting him into the right positions at the right time and staging one of the biggest terrorist assaults in EVE's history, and igniting a war between two super-powers, causing the deaths of millions of people. How many people in the State has died by federal hands so far because of Heth's inner demons and racism? He has assumed un-Caldari like control over all of the State, minimized the other CEO's power, and direct the whole nation like his personal hate-wagon. Far as Ishokune is concerned, Heth's actions likely paint him as the greatest traitor to the Caldari 'ideology' there ever were.
"Who is the traitors to the State" is likely up for a considerably large amount of debate and the answer likely change depending on who's viewpoint one looks at. Simply assuming Heth is right and Ishukone is a corp of traitors because they don't want to be slowly eaten up in a never-ending war with the Federation is merely buying into one of many view-points. It is only natural that they will try to do whatever they can or must do to avoid perishing.
TL;DR - The automatic assumption that Ishukone are traitors to the State are unfounded insofar that they ignore a great deal of different opinions based on revealed facts; who is and who is not traitors to whatever is likely as varying in belief as to what it means to be a 'true' Caldari. Ergo, arguing OOC that Ishukone are traitors is foolish because as players we have to take all factors into consideration.
What your TOON believes is entirely up to you, though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statism"Statism (French; étatisme) is a term used by political scientists to describe the belief that, for whatever reason, a government should control either economic or social policy or both to some degree."
"Some statist analyses use a dichotomy between state and society, viewing the state as a homogeneous institution capable of using political power to force policy on a passive or resisting society. "
"The ideology of statism espoused by
fascism holds that sovereignty is not vested in the people but in the nation state, and that all individuals and associations exist only to enhance the power, prestige and well-being of the state."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism" Fascists seek rejuvenation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood through a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and eugenics."
"The fascist state is led by a supreme leader"
"Fascism promotes political violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[3][12] It views violence as a fact of life that is a necessary means to achieve human progress. It exalts militarism as providing positive transformation in society and providing spiritual renovation, education, instilling of a will to dominate in people's character and creating national comradeship through military service."
"Fascism seeks to purify the nation of foreign influences that are deemed to be causing degeneration of the nation or that do not fit into the national culture."
"Fascists supported the unifying of proletarian workers to their cause along corporatistic, socialistic, or syndicalistic lines, promoting the creation of a strong proletarian nation, but not a proletarian class."
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Caldari"Founded on the tenets of patriotism and hard work that carried its ancestors through hardships on an inhospitable homeworld, the Caldari State is today a corporate dictatorship, led by rulers who are determined to see it return to the meritocratic ideals of old. Ruthless and efficient in the boardroom as well as on the battlefield, the Caldari are living emblems of strength, persistence, and dignity."
I'm sure you think I make this stuff up, as Senn hasn't made his hatred of the Liberal bloc a secret in the past. But if you'd taken any time at all to research the ethos of the Caldari State, the rigidly militaristic society, the strict dedication to work counterpointed by the natural aggression (read a chron or bloodline definition sometime, gambling is big in the State especially among the Civire, and Mindclash is still highly popular), the xenophobia (expulsion from the military for homosexuality, post-war ancestral hatred for the Federation), the ferocious patriotism, or hell, even looked at Hethist policies, you might have an informed position.
At the moment, you're just defending a position for the sake of being contrary.
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