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[Senn Typhos]

Valid, at the end of the day, blobbing is one way to get what you want.

[Svenjabi Xiang]

blobbing

It could be.  I've certainly seen cases where that is true.  It seems, though, that you are referencing SF tactically though and, on that score, I'm not sure what you mean by blobbing particularly.  The bulk of SF day-to-day operations is in the 10-and-under set.  Depending on timezones, it can be significantly in the "under" side of things.  We can muster higher numbers, certainly, but the bulk of our engagements are much smaller than what we would muster for a tower defense (as an example).

The typical way we get our objectives accomplished is by recruiting tenacious players.  Arousing the interest of SF members usually will take the form of a campaign after a couple of weeks of regular interaction and may then continue until we've had our fill of the engagement, which, historically, can take quite some time.  The targets of these campaigns usually just don't maintain the stamina for that sort of engagement.

[Senn Typhos]

blobbing

It could be.  I've certainly seen cases where that is true.  It seems, though, that you are referencing SF tactically though and, on that score, I'm not sure what you mean by blobbing particularly.  The bulk of SF day-to-day operations is in the 10-and-under set.  Depending on timezones, it can be significantly in the "under" side of things.  We can muster higher numbers, certainly, but the bulk of our engagements are much smaller than what we would muster for a tower defense (as an example).

The typical way we get our objectives accomplished is by recruiting tenacious players.  Arousing the interest of SF members usually will take the form of a campaign after a couple of weeks of regular interaction and may then continue until we've had our fill of the engagement, which, historically, can take quite some time.  The targets of these campaigns usually just don't maintain the stamina for that sort of engagement.

Couple of points:

1. I'm aware that roughly 74% of what I say is sarcastic, but the aforementioned statement was part of the other 26%. It's an entirely valid tactic to send as many war dogs as you can into one area and deny your opponent their assets, mobility, combat potential and morale. In fact, it's an excellent tactic, and it's worked for centuries.

2. I've never dealt with SF in any sense, other than two instances of minor IC banter on the IGS. So I'm not speaking on your methods of achieving your objectives. In fact, I've never even seen you on the field. My comment wasn't an implication regarding your combat ability, just a general statement.

3. I don't know of a force in Placid other than the militias who would be willing to tangle in 10-ship prowling parties for any length of time. I've heard rumors of PL, Agony, other such entities mulling around in Placid, but I haven't seen them personally, nor do I believe they would waste ammunition engaging an RP force. So while I can't speak on your combat tactics, if you subscribe to 10-man roams, you're probably going to see not a lot of action.

[John Revenent]

all these parties just insisting that they're "winning."

Well I can say I-RED is not "winning" anything, just enjoying ourselves by being wedged in between the heating up Militia conflict in Intaki.

I imagine I-RED will have towers

Setup 5 already in Intaki alone, another dozen elsewhere. To promote infrastructure.

Intaki is a fascinating area I think - but to impact ILF you'd need to blow up their tower. To impact I-RED you'd need to be significantly hurting their fleet capability or otherwise doing something serious in space.

From SF's point of view at this point we want to get involved and to promote the agenda of free-space commerce amongst those invested with Intaki roleplay. How we do that is still open to question - but we've got resources to allocate, propaganda to do and no doubt more enemies to fight and I think its interesting already how many potential avenues are becoming apparent through discussions in this thread!

I am going to enjoy SF here.

From I-RED's point of view we are here to promote Ishukone's efforts. Defend their escorts (rawr wars over NPC haulers.) Work with people to keep trade-lanes open and stimulate free-trade. I would not say people are fighting over Intaki. We all have our own views on what Intaki should be and that is what makes the RP more dynamic.

[Jade Constantine]

Couple of points: 1. I'm aware that roughly 74% of what I say is sarcastic, but the aforementioned statement was part of the other 26%. It's an entirely valid tactic to send as many war dogs as you can into one area and deny your opponent their assets, mobility, combat potential and morale. In fact, it's an excellent tactic, and it's worked for centuries.

I think with us its more a case that we acknowledge war is usually won by the side that cares more and you help your membership to care more by moving to the target zone as a group and living there rather than simply launching raids and roams etc.

2. I've never dealt with SF in any sense, other than two instances of minor IC banter on the IGS. So I'm not speaking on your methods of achieving your objectives. In fact, I've never even seen you on the field. My comment wasn't an implication regarding your combat ability, just a general statement.

Fair enough really.

3. I don't know of a force in Placid other than the militias who would be willing to tangle in 10-ship prowling parties for any length of time. I've heard rumors of PL, Agony, other such entities mulling around in Placid, but I haven't seen them personally, nor do I believe they would waste ammunition engaging an RP force. So while I can't speak on your combat tactics, if you subscribe to 10-man roams, you're probably going to see not a lot of action.

Funnily enough I've seen an awful lot of pirate groups that are operating fleets every bit capable of engaging a 10 man party. Our problem if anything has been how to scale up to engage the larger allied pirate groups that call in friends for anything over 4-5 man groups. Muppet Ninjas, Quam, Unicorns, Session Change, random russians, + of course the gcc friendly caldari militia entities - all have pretty large groups that come through placid looking for trouble.

[Casiella]

[mod]Another friendly reminder that people should report posts they find objectionable rather than respond to them.[/mod]

[Makkal]

This might be a little off topic, or it might not.

That was an epic wall of text recounting recent events. The thing is, the people who care about said events (or find them interesting) have been paying attention and already know what happened, and the people who don't are going to see a massive wall of text and look away. Condense that down to one or two paragraphs - perhaps with a link to the more detailed version you put on IGS. I know you love your historical recaps, but this one's hardly going to be read because everyone either already knows what happened or doesn't care.

I had no idea about this and didn't care when I clicked on the topic but found the original post quite interesting and well written.

It's a pity others don't put as much effort into creating these sort of narratives.

Edit: Having read the entire thread, I have to say it's an interesting from a historical perspective as well. I'm not even sure where Intaki is and didn't know that at some point IRED thought it was important.

[Havohej]

Trudat.

Jade gets trolled alot for his wall-o-text campaign reports, but his writing was a big factor in my being positively receptive when we were approached about joining up with them.  He paints a hell of a picture; would be nice to see something out of that camp again soon - Jade still posts here so I have to assume -SF- is still active...

Just hopefully not in Solitude.  I have no interest in dealing with Titan bridged fleet hotdrops (hilarious on the giving end, wtfstahp on the receiving end).  Amarr militia boys fucking hated that shit! 

[Graelyn]

I, for one, didn't know all of what was going on, and I was happy to read about them. There's bias, of course, but I like to think I'm good at filtering that out as I read something, I'm not so deathly afraid of it as some seem to be. Somewhat biased info is better than silence.

I would point out though, to all the sides trying to make events out to look like they're 'winning' (just about everyone), you're doing yourselves a disservice. The side that loses things for an ideology, who sacrifices and stumbles, is a story in my mind, sparks my imagination. 'The Glory of your Organization' and waving the flag bore the hell out of me, and if a story is what you're trying to tell, one should remain cognizant of this.

EVE, and it's storytellers and listeners, are usually not the 'Hooray the Heroes win' type of audience.

[Natalcya Katla]

It's a pity others don't put as much effort into creating these sort of narratives.

I agree completely. I miss the old SF and Jade's campaign narratives.

[Saede Riordan]

Yeah, this is actually cool, and the sort of propaganda stuff I really want to get my corp into.

[Havohej]

Damned good point, Graelyn.  I remember when I had my blog up (btw, found the backups of the dbs, will have all that stuff back online Soon™ and try to fix all the links to blog posts), I was rarely psyched enough after taking a loss to do a write-up about it, but the excitement and tension of those few posts, to my mind, was generally a superior narrative to the posts about victories that I/we had.  Partly because I'd feel self-conscious of coming off too self-aggrandizing, whereas when writing of defeat I could lay it out a bit more cleanly and openly.

Nobody (generally) likes to point out or highlight their stumbles, but I think if more people did so in well-written narrative it could do nothing but improve the state of the game and the overall RP scene by creating more humanly-relatable characterizations for those of us who're into that sort of thing to enjoy with one another.

In the absence of that sort of honesty in propaganda, however, (and Jade himself never hesitated to use the P word about those campaign reports, so I expect he shouldn't be insulted by my using it here), the bigger the better!  Feed me moar epic battles to read about while I spin my ships in :bitter: mode, motivate me to go shoot someone in the face and then RP about it again

[Graelyn]

Thanks.

I say that, of course, after years and years of doing the opposite. 

Hindsight shows a lot. AM peaked when the Theology Council/Amarr Navy dread-dropped our towers. All the successful campaigns and 'Amarr Victors' before that were background at best.

Propaganda in public gets fierce, of course. Every side wants to show others what they put so much effort into. Making it the center of your organization's narrative, however, is a monumental waste of energy, and a mistake I would encourage the newer generations not to repeat.

[Victoria Stecker]

provoking conversation two years after the fact. Awesome \o/

[John Revenent]

Edit: Having read the entire thread, I have to say it's an interesting from a historical perspective as well. I'm not even sure where Intaki is and didn't know that at some point IRED thought it was important.

We still think Intaki is very important and operate the majority of the POCO's there at 0% tax rate. IPI have been picking the slack since we redeployed to Syndicate, but we are in contact incase help is needed etc.

Intaki is like 3 jumps from Stacmon in lowsec btw.