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[Bong-cha Jones]

I'm not sure one would expect "waltz" from a faction that has its primary naming scheme after Persian/Arabic styles, whereas we know the Gallenteans are former monarchists with a name scheme based off French, English, Germanic and Italian styles (eg. Harner and Villore systems). Even the awful French reference re: the Gallente that has been removed. Then the word "masque" is French, and the whole concept of a masquerade was developed in France. Without the lolfrench thing, for example, the styles of extravagant, multi-coloured costumes and hedonism definitely sounds Gallentean to me.

Why would one expect musical styles to stay closely matched to the naming schemes developed alongside them 20,000 years ago (in the setting)?  Waltzes are formal, regal and upper class.  Amarrian parties probably shoot for the same thing, so why not use them?  The word masquerade may be French, but that doesn't make it Gallentean proprietary culture.  Hedonism is more a function of carnivales than masquerades and I suspect you're conflating the two.

Which isn't to say that I disapprove of Seriphyn complaining; I do not!  But I do think you, the player, sometimes get a little overzealous about what the other empires may or may not lay claim too.

[Borza]

Not to sure if you're calling myself or my character a twit (the latter of which is often valid and correct), but I'm not sure one would expect "waltz" from a faction that has its primary naming scheme after Persian/Arabic styles, whereas we know the Gallenteans are former monarchists with a name scheme based off French, English, Germanic and Italian styles (eg. Harner and Villore systems). Even the awful French reference re: the Gallente that has been removed. Then the word "masque" is French, and the whole concept of a masquerade was developed in France. Without the lolfrench thing, for example, the styles of extravagant, multi-coloured costumes and hedonism definitely sounds Gallentean to me.

So are all the pod pilots speaking English rather than a variety of languages translated for ease of communication? Do you think any of the dances today would be the same 20,000 years from now? If any are would the current origins of the dances or their names be at all relevant?

[Borza]

I don't think "waltz" would even exist that far into the future and so detached from Earth, no. I would have personally developed something completely unique for the Amarr that may have been similar, but not be derivative of an RL dance. You wouldn't expect the Caldari to have ballet, for example.

It's all translation though. Why couldn't Amarrians have a dance which would  be equivalent to a "waltz" and translate as such without it having any of the cultural or historical baggage we associate with the term?
I think you're maybe taking things literally in a way that doesn't make much sense.

[GoGo Yubari]

I don't think "waltz" would even exist that far into the future and so detached from Earth, no. I would have personally developed something completely unique for the Amarr that may have been similar, but not be derivative of an RL dance. You wouldn't expect the Caldari to have ballet, for example.

It's all translation though. Why couldn't Amarrians have a dance which would  be equivalent to a "waltz" and translate as such without it having any of the cultural or historical baggage we associate with the term?
I think you're maybe taking things literally in a way that doesn't make much sense.

Exactly. If everything has a weird-ass name, then it will be difficult to learn all the lingo for proper interaction. It's very probable there would be something similar to for example waltz in the setting if not even a direct descendant of that very thing. So why no call it waltz, then? It's not like all the ship names are all new worlds, either.

There is a place for made-up linguistics and coming up with a whole new world filled with wondrous objects that never happened in our reality. I don't think Eve is necessarily that place in the large application sense of it, especially since it is indeed placed in a universe that shares our reality as background. Some fantasy settings go for that thing as an interesting exercise, but I don't think every imaginary world created should follow that pattern.

[Seriphyn]

There is no CCP information regarding this right now, so the only thing we've got to go on is extrapolation.

Naming is one big thing that I personally go with in terms of using as a reference point for such things. It would make little sense, for example, if the Gallenteans had something called "samurai". Why? Because we know samurais are Japanese, and the Gallenteans do not resemble Japanese in anyway. Similarly, the Achuran names are Japanese-esque; we wouldn't expect them to have West African names.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_dance#Styles

This article here has many dance styles that we could associate with Amarr; look at the some of the names there, then compare it with the names we have of Amarrians. Take a look at the syllables there, too. If you type in "Sha" to solar system search, pretty much all the systems that come up are Amarrian (Shabura, Shajarleg, Shafrak, etc, about 18 in total). Similarly, about 8 systems come up for the "Kh" syllable that are Amarrian.

Sort of deviated about the specific point regarding "waltz", but in these areas where there is absolutely ZERO information regarding a certain RP topic, then I always found the best bet is to look at naming and aesthetic, and make the connections as such. For this, spurred my OOC "eh" at an Amarrian waltz and masquerade, the same way we would go "eh" at Caldari bhangra.

tl;dr - No PF regarding dance, only point of reference is naming habits IMO.

[GoGo Yubari]

Well, it's off-topic, but I've argued this somewhere else before more extensively: I don't think there is any concrete evidence to be found in the Amarr empire to support a Persian connection. A few similar syllables is at least not concrete to me.

[Borza]

Disagree. Naming habits are greatly divorced from the cultures that spawned them along with associated trappings.

[Seriphyn]

So Caldari bhangra would be fine, then?  

We get a lot of "lolFrench" with Gallente, due to naming, and this is proliferated a lot amongst the RP community. But pointing out Persian stuff with Amarr is erroneous?

edit - it's not exactly syllables, I'm talking about their entire range of system names. Would CCP have given the Fed systems Russian names while saying there were initially French? stuff like that

[Silver Night]

[mod]Please avoid generalizations about 'the RP community'.[/mod]

[GoGo Yubari]

We get a lot of "lolFrench" with Gallente, due to naming, and this is proliferated a lot amongst the RP community.

But the lolFrench is not because of naming. It's because CCP quite directly stated that they are Tau Ceti French settlers, making the connection in the setting material. The Caldari have had a link made to the Japanese/Finnish. In the same source (that Chinese CCP site way back when), the Amarrians had connections drawn to the Balkans. 

[Seriphyn]

Then I shift posture, and note that the Intaki have a lot of Indian subcontinent influences to them, yet ethnically, they appear as Generic White People™

But, yeah, WRT the original point of waltz, from my understanding and looking at things, I would not expect waltz from the Amarr the same reason that, again, I would not expect bhangra from the Caldari.

[Casiella]

Out of curiosity, because it's pretty far removed from my normal RP spheres of interest, what ties the Intaki to the subcontinent beyond the Reborn?

And while I see nothing wrong with Seriphyn having his viewpoint on what to expect from the Amarr, everyone should just keep repeating "it's a big cluster" to themselves. Hell, I have slightly different interpretations of (say) Sebiestor nomadism than somebody else might, and that's cool too.

[Borza]

But, yeah, WRT the original point of waltz, from my understanding and looking at things, I would not expect waltz from the Amarr the same reason that, again, I would not expect bhangra from the Caldari.

Elaborate. Amarrian culture seems like it would be exactly the breeding ground for formal dances that could translate as "waltzes".

[Orthic]

Your original post was removed to the Catacombs. Please express your opinion a little more respectfully.

More respectfully: I think CCP painted the different factions very broadly for the sake of simplicity and easier storytelling. I think the idea that empires spanning hundreds of inhabitted worlds would be so culturaly homogenous is pretty ridiculous. As such, I would fully expect to find samurai somewhere in the gallente federation and ballroom dancing in the empire. For people who don't care about RP or are simply new to it, simplicity is good, it keeps it from feeling overwhelming. For people who have spent hours and days learning about and playing in this world, I think the diversity of the people in the cluster shouldn't be quite as duanting.

[Mitara Newelle]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_dance#Styles

Ouuuu! Nice!