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[hellgremlin]

I find it immersion breaking that Seriphyn RPs a 'normal' person.

Am I doing this right?

Seriously, we're capsuleers. I see absolutely nothing immersion-breaking with a pack of halfway insane demigods tearing up the space the Empire's are a little too busy to take full control over.

If I agreed with this statement any harder, I WOULD PISS WHITE-HOT BLOOD.

What about the experience of a capsuleer can in any way be related to normalcy as we know it? Oh hi, generic New Eden citizen, you're biologically compatible with bizarre alien technology we just got our hands on, that lets us hardwire you into a spaceship and turn you into a killing machine. We're gonna drill a bunch of holes in you, stick in some pluggy circuity type deals, and cut you loose upon the universe with the equivalent of a teenager's Driver's Ed learner licence. Best of luck, and try not to commit any genocides! Oh, and don't worry if you die during the process, because it's such a temporary affair, we'll just rebuild you out of poor-people-biomass and banana peels!

How does a human - a normal vanilla human, the likes of which you might run across on the street - cope with that sort of paradigm shift?

How would a monkey behave, if you gave it laser eye-cannons and the ability to shoot bananas down from trees, from five miles away? In the process of acquiring these bananas, wouldn't it burn the fucking jungle down?

[Casiella]

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[Alain Colcer]

hahaha Itsvaan wins!

[Amann Karris]

How would a monkey behave, if you gave it laser eye-cannons and the ability to shoot bananas down from trees, from five miles away? In the process of acquiring these bananas, wouldn't it burn the fucking jungle down?

Give a thousand monkeys pianos, and somewhere in the cacophony I'm sure someone will find beauty.

I mean, monkeys may not see the forest for the trees, but that does not mean that burning the jungle down isn't a bad thing.  It is progress, isn't it?

The question is whether progress - regardless of the consequences, regardless of the aftermath - is worth it.

I'm lookin' at you, Kuvakei! 

Also, no; Alliances shouldn't be a problem with world building.  Badly chosen or offensive names shouldn't be a problem with world building.  The people who chose those names have as much a right to "world build" as you do, and if the world they are building is a bit anachronistic, who are we to tell them no?  Hell, how can we?

I for one wouldn't, because that's a part of the EVE universe that I love.  Then again, The Joker/The Red Hood was always my favorite villain/anti-hero. 

[Benjamin Shepherd]

My 0.02 ISK:

Everyone RPs different, so we don't all have to be stereotypical psychopaths.
CVA was one of the greatest RP null-sec alliances to have ever controlled a region, and for so long.
CCP should work on true 0.0 reform soon.

[Kazzzi]

Immersive RPers don't have time to both RP and manage a large sov holding alliance.

[Casiella]

Or, as Fiddler wrote, "Role-play only justifies idiotic decisions if the role you play is an idiot."

[Elsebeth Rhiannon]

"Do capsuleer alliances hurt nullsec world-building and RP?"

What a bizarre question. The capsuleer alliances are "the nullsec world-building and RP" that EVE has.

Want to be there to do it too? Bloody go out there and do it. You do not get any special excuse for having an easy time at it just because you happen to consider yourself an RPer. It's a war out there, and the people at the fringes do not care about your political background or your fancy Fed military medals or who you served before you crossed the borders to lawless space - and that's just how it is, IC.

What stops me is not that I RP immersively. I could continue RPing and run a nullsec operation (at least as well as I could stop RPing and do so), the same as I for years ran diplomacy for an antipirate organization and continued to RP. Yes, it would require me to compromise my Republic stance somewhat - but that's not an OOC problem, that's an IC one. That's how nullsec currently is: very little time for national politics, you are too busy defending your space against other nutcase demigods.

What stops me is that 4AM wakeup calls to a sov defense are really not my thing, OOC.

[Seriphyn]

It's not about "doing it myself", it's about the fact that there was a rich fictional universe out there to be explored. Remote colonies of the empires, the "true frontier" and so on.

[Elsebeth Rhiannon]

There's still remote colonies, and there's still a fringe space out there. It just has capsuleers in it now.

[Arnulf Ogunkoya]

I know this is rationalising away an aspect of the game but.

We know the interbus exists, yest we never see it's ships in transit. I susepct this is because IC our targetting systems have been programmed to ignore them.

We know that merchant cartels and the Empires operate private gate networks as we sometimes get tasked to clear pirates from them. Also, how else would the stations in rat nests like Amamake get supplies? It seems likely that pirate organisations have their own gate networks to get those huge fleets that we blow up day after day into the core worlds.

So the antics of null sec capsuleers are just a drop in the ocean. There is a wider universe out there, and a lot of it seems to take great pains to avoid getting in our way.

[Elsebeth Rhiannon]

I am going to show my PF ignorance again, excuse me.

Is "Interbus" and/or capsuleers using it for out-of-the-pod transport actually Prime Fiction? I always thought it was a RPer work-around for "CBA to fly there".

[Ghost Hunter]

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_InterBus_%28Chronicle%29

A bit of a grey area, but might as well be.

[Merdaneth]

"but that's not an OOC problem, that's an IC one. That's how nullsec currently is: very little time for national politics, you are too busy defending your space against other nutcase demigods.

I dislike the 'nutcase demigod' rationalization to explain behaviour that basically amounts to 'playing a game'. For me it doesn't work. It doesn't fit.

If my character speak to people most of them they don't act insane at all. I guess they might be classified as delusional or schizophrenic, since they often claim there are no other people in this univese except for capsuleers and even that this world is not really here, and that it is only a game.

Then again, if they are nutcases because they don't really believe this is a real world, maybe I should re-evaluate my own sanity, since most capsuleers seem to believe this isn't a real world and act like it and only a few don't.

In fact, when they question my sanity and start asking me questions about how I view the world, I often have no answers for their simple questions. I cannot explain why what they call NPCs 'never speak to me', or at certain intervals 'a whole class of weapons and modules suddenly starts functioning differently', or  'how come that pirate ships never warp out and seem to have endless supplies', 'why can't we see interbus shuttles on scanner' etc. etc.

If anything, I have to conclude IC that they are the sane people, and I am the nutcase.

So, for me, it just doesn't work.

I also believe the question can be termed as: Are nullsec capsuleers are so immersion-breaking that its hurts RP? And to that question I have to answer: mostly yes.

[Elsebeth Rhiannon]

To clarify: in my case by "nutcase demigod" I meant a basically sane-ish person with way too much resources in their use and a lot invested personally in controlling a random corner of space. Not someone who actually is clinically insane. Or a deity, for that matter.

Such nutcase demigods do not break immersion for me much; enough of that in the real world. Hell, a lot of our so-called history consists of nutcase demigods thinking it might be a fun idea to invade the territory of some other nutcase demigod.