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[Rok-Yuni]

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Unfortunately you've mistaken the post in that thread that I was referring to.
Before the FIO report into the massing of ships and manpower there was a report where the current head of house Sarum 'Promotes aggressive conquest of minmatar territories', one that also contained the quote [the] “time to bring the Minmatar back to the fold is upon us once again.”

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2840976#post2840976 - Reference

In that post Sarum isn't stating anything about a taskforce and honestly it's just the same, that is Sarum dedicating itself to a war already fought.

By the way, Sarum did this before the Colelie incident. I think it's quite too comfy to state that this declaration by Sarum should silence Federal criticism of the Minmatar actions, when the Minmatar themselves thought nothing about infringing on their allies while under such a "serious threat".

Please, learn to comprehend my writing.
At no point did i say it should silence criticism. I merely stated calling for an end to the alliance was a somewhat extreme response.
You are putting words into my mouth where they previously did not exist.

[Lyn Farel]

Of course, if we didnt, RP would be less fun.

I may use the wrong term but fabricated is what all our loyalties are to me since they are not enforced into our characters through their affiliation, since they are privateers, unlike military capsuleers where loyalties are a reality and not an abstract product of their code of conduct / imagination / morals / etc. So, they fabricate them, whatever the reason behind is.

Lynn. Some groups might consider membership in a militia merely a licence to make ISK and a welcome source of fights. Well so do we, but a lot of us also consider it to be our best way of serving the nation we are loyal to. And military loyalty is very much an artifact of the imagination. All the ceremony and formality is part of what keeps that imaginary thing alive.

I know military loyalty is an artifact, something fabricated the same way. The difference is that if they break their oath, they might lose more than a freelance capsuleer. They are held accountable for it.

And that's pretty cool that some factionned groups like EM also try to take it to their heart, especially with their freelance/independent status.

[Nicoletta Mithra]

Please, learn to comprehend my writing.
At no point did i say it should silence criticism. I merely stated calling for an end to the alliance was a somewhat extreme response.
You are putting words into my mouth where they previously did not exist.

Well, I can't read your mind through what you write. If you think people don't comprehend you properly, then either explain - without snarky remarks - what you meant without expecting people to read you mind or improve your writing.

Also, all I'm saying is that it's quite comfy to denounce the reaction of calling for an end to the alliance as 'somewhat extreme', when it's really just a reaction that's matching the extremism of the action that caused it. Why would you think of the reaction as being 'a little overly extreme', not - apparently - the action that caused it, I wonder.

[AOkazon]

This thread has turned into a debate over Colelie I DID NOT SEE THIS COMING

[Morwen Lagann]

This thread has turned into a debate over Colelie I DID NOT SEE THIS COMING

Not just empty quoting.

[Anslol]

This thread has turned into a debate over Colelie I DID NOT SEE THIS COMING

Not just empty quoting.

+1

[Esna Pitoojee]

I think we can basically sum this up as "our characters (and possibly players as well) have fundamentally differing views on the degree of flexibility available to an empire-loyalist capsuleer, and what they can (and should) do when given an order they feel is wrong or distasteful by a representative of the nation they are loyal to."

Unfortunately that's a fairly hefty divide, one that pertains as much to our views of the world as players as it does our characters experience, and the kind of thing that's vastly unlikely to be answered in the short term.

[Anslol]

Being an independent nut job is easier \o/

But +1 to what Esna said, though I still don't think it's beyond the bounds of reasoning to think someone would say no to an order they feel is wrong.

[Shintoko Akahoshi]

Excellent. Further commitment to Shin's obsession is therefore confirmed. Moving on to stage 3...

[Arnulf Ogunkoya]

Being an independent nut job is easier \o/

But +1 to what Esna said, though I still don't think it's beyond the bounds of reasoning to think someone would say no to an order they feel is wrong.

This would seem to indicate otherwise. Depressing, I know.

[Galen Darksmith]

Excellent. Further commitment to Shin's obsession is therefore confirmed. Moving on to stage 3...

The pigeons are ready, but I wasn't able to grease all the wineglasses.

[Anslol]

Excellent. Further commitment to Shin's obsession is therefore confirmed. Moving on to stage 3...

The pigeons are ready, but I wasn't able to grease all the wineglasses.

I have the furriers and the Gold Tequila ready. Now, did you want a deacon or a shaman?

[AOkazon]

Being an independent nut job is easier \o/

But +1 to what Esna said, though I still don't think it's beyond the bounds of reasoning to think someone would say no to an order they feel is wrong.

This would seem to indicate otherwise. Depressing, I know.

People make a big deal out of Milgram, and it's an important/disturbing insight. But keep in mind, quite a few people did object at some point and others refused to participate at all. There was no lemming-like march of all the subjects.

In RL, of course, we see people bucking at authority all the time. Just not, perhaps, as often or as vociferously as they should.

[Shintoko Akahoshi]

Pigeons - check
Greased wineglasses - a majority is fine, as we'll still get statistically relevant results
Furriers and tequila - excellent!

As far as religious figures go, we want a relative sample of shamans from all major tribes, as well as three Idas as a control group. Please note that they must all be shaved per spec 1.483-a.

Do we still have the rental option on the extra vats?

Re: Milgram, Robert Altemayer wrote a fascinating study of authority figures and those who follow them. It's well worth the read.

[Anslol]

Rental confirmed.