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[Samira Kernher]

And yet, people called me stupid when Synthia mentioned the Exotic Dancer Farms, and the trade in Exotic Dancer eggs. vOv

Well they're wrong. Nothing wrong with training strippers, or whatever. Breeding sex slaves is something I'm surprised we don't see more of in Amarr RP... but I suppose it's just too unpalatable to be roleplaying somebody who's force breeding and selling rape victims.

Breeding is done, though it is very hard to justify by the religion and is therefore not well-respected by many Amarr RPers, so it's not going to get much support. It's one area where both liberal and conservative Amarr RPers typically come together on.

Breeding sex slaves on the other hand, there's no reason why that should be common place, let alone public. It's established that an Amarr sleeping with or even having relations with a slave and/or non-Amarr is bad form. While some individual Holders probably secretly do this, if it got discovered it'd be something that would be a major hit on their reputation.

Involuntary, [Idonis Ardishapur's] mind drifted to the little hiding place he had down in the city, to the lithe and winsome creature he whispered words of passion and affection to during lovemaking. His family and friends would be appalled if they knew of his dark-skinned Starkmanir girl, with her almond eyes and her smile that was coy and bold at the same time.

-Chronicle: Khumaak

[Esna Pitoojee]

It has appeared at times, and the people responsible have usually been hounded by the Amarr bloc IC because that is not something you do to a people you are trying to educate and enlighten.

[Morwen Lagann]

Kat, read the last line of Makkal's post.

In this thread, we can discuss how our characters and the various New Eden cultures likely view 'the world's oldest profession.'

With the exception of the EULA stuff ("ISK 4 cyb0rz" is something that can get you banned), which is obviously an OOC issue, I was answering for my character. Which is what the question was.


And we've definitely had people dealing in sex slaves before in RP. It got, as expected, a very unfavorable reaction from people despite it being something expected from where that character was coming from.

As for "being unprofessional"... that's the default when you talk in Jita local.

Regarding the scam? Given what was said in the Summit last night, I don't think that you can really make that argument. It was pretty clearly stated that anything would go for the winner - and my complaint with regards to the scam was not really about the context of the scam, but that the scam itself was also the target of people's ire last night, not just what she was doing or offering as part of it.

[Silas Vitalia]

IC: S. Owns numerous baseliner vice dens.  Good for business, good for blackmailing upstanding subjects in the Kingdom 

Regarding the wealthy capsuleers not needing to pay for it comment, we only have to look at all the fabulously wealthy people in our world who by rights should never have to pay for it who get caught and embarrassed constantly.  Often it's not about the money.


Edit: Removed ooc soapbox

[Synthia]

Synthia would need to have the concept of prostitution explained to her, before she'd have any real opinion.


Probably with diagrams.

* Synthia looks blank

[Samira Kernher]

It has appeared at times, and the people responsible have usually been hounded by the Amarr bloc IC because that is not something you do to a people you are trying to educate and enlighten.

^^^^^^^^^

I have often said that if you want to convince Samira that slavery is bad, you have to hit on the areas where it goes against Amarr religion, not where it goes against western morals. Torture and beating to punish sin? Perfectly acceptable. Using slaves for personal sexual fulfillment and thus diluting the Chosen Amarr bloodline with Godless heathen blood, and breeding slaves to make them better workers, treating them like cattle instead of lost children, are areas that go against everything she as a conservative believes in.

It certainly happens, as evidenced by the Kameiras and other breeding programs, but unlike other aspects of Amarr slavery it is very hard to justify and rationalize by religion. The only justification that really works is that the Amarr are God's Chosen and are free to use the lesser races as they see fit, and therefore such programs are probably most common in the Kingdom (and maybe Tash-Murkon) where slaves are widely viewed as tools and where the Holders are more enterprising and willing to "experiment" with their slaves to mold them into a superior labor force.

[Makkal]

Right. This is a conversation about New Eden, its cultures, and various PC's viewpoint.

I have no idea if what Cynthia is doing is against EULA but regardless, I (the player) have no problem with it. People sell sex for money for all sorts of reasons and it doesn't strike me as odd that some of the PCs would. While it makes 'more sense' to buy a harem of baseliners, I am sure capsuleers would also spend ridiculous sums for one night with one of their own.

It has appeared at times, and the people responsible have usually been hounded by the Amarr bloc IC because that is not something you do to a people you are trying to educate and enlighten.

Even for the less spiritually inclined, breeding a group for sex doesn't make a lot of sense. You can simply pick an attractive house slave (or several) and tell them "Make sure X is completely satisfied during her visit here."

[Creep]

While it makes 'more sense' to buy a harem of baseliners, I am sure capsuleers would also spend ridiculous sums for one night with one of their own.

Exactly my view. Baseliners are a dime a dozen. Nobody is impressed. For the exact same reason that someone would hire a high class escort to accompany them to a function as their date, a wealthy capsuleer (or perhaps just an obscenely wealthy baseliner) would hire a capsuleer as an escort, or for sex. A large chunk of the allure is "I am boning an immortal demi-god and s/he is letting me do this because I am fucking riiiiiich".
The vast majority of capsuleers will of course hire baseliners. A select few will pay top dollar for an attractive capsuleer.

As for EULA, I think I did read somewhere that CCP considers it against the rules. Still they are out there, plying their trade. And while they wont receive any traffic from me (nor will those who offer it for free), I have to say I like the idea of prostitution in EVE — if anything I think it ought to be organized into some sort of ultra-exclusive escort service with a hyper-modern website thing. That would be really cool to see, even if it is just for cardboard cybersex.

[Samira Kernher]

It has appeared at times, and the people responsible have usually been hounded by the Amarr bloc IC because that is not something you do to a people you are trying to educate and enlighten.

Even for the less spiritually inclined, breeding a group for sex doesn't make a lot of sense. You can simply pick an attractive house slave (or several) and tell them "Make sure X is completely satisfied during her visit here."

Yeah. I can see some trained courtesans. Intimate relations between Holder and slave aren't particularly well-respected, but many Holders even in the greater Empire see their slaves solely as free labor and would probably have no qualms with that. They're just likely to keep it quiet.

What I don't see though is concentrated breeding programs for sex slaves.

[Saede Riordan]

While it makes 'more sense' to buy a harem of baseliners, I am sure capsuleers would also spend ridiculous sums for one night with one of their own.

Exactly my view. Baseliners are a dime a dozen. Nobody is impressed. For the exact same reason that someone would hire a high class escort to accompany them to a function as their date, a wealthy capsuleer (or perhaps just an obscenely wealthy baseliner) would hire a capsuleer as an escort, or for sex. A large chunk of the allure is "I am boning an immortal demi-god and s/he is letting me do this because I am fucking riiiiiich".
The vast majority of capsuleers will of course hire baseliners. A select few will pay top dollar for an attractive capsuleer.

As for EULA, I think I did read somewhere that CCP considers it against the rules. Still they are out there, plying their trade. And while they wont receive any traffic from me (nor will those who offer it for free), I have to say I like the idea of prostitution in EVE — if anything I think it ought to be organized into some sort of ultra-exclusive escort service with a hyper-modern website thing. That would be really cool to see, even if it is just for cardboard cybersex.

I can agree with this, that would be pretty cool.

Overall, Saede's view's on prostitution basically comes down like this:

Its a profession like any other. When you need work, its work, at the end of the day. As long as its safe, consensual, and not coerced, there's nothing wrong with it. The way it (and sex in general) is treated with negativity and contempt is a symptom of a problem with the culture.

[Svetlana Scarlet]

As far as the Caldari go, I don't think there is a stigma against prostitution, but I think there is a very large stigma against making it blatant. If you're able to afford them, a high-class courtesan or "mistress" is probably fine (though if you are married and out with them, that is probably a no-no), but you don't want people to see you picking up streetwalkers. The corporations probably operate a great many very clean and very safe brothels for their employees, though, although they are probably labeled in the same way that Japan has its "hostess clubs" and things of that nature, where the fiction is preserved. Of course in the more...disreputable parts of the State selling your body is probably pretty common when you have nothing else left to offer.

As with most things in Caldari society, it's more what it looks like than what it is.

[Ulphus]

Nothing against Cynthia Gallente the character, as appearance is subjective... but I have a hard time figuring out what makes her worth 500 million ISK as a prostitute. Pieter is right. You could buy out half a planetary city with that kind of money.

But but but... We approve of scammers in Eve, don't we? Especially in Jita local.

If she can sell something for 500M isk that a lot of people think isn't worth that much, good for her.

She was also scamming people in the process. And bragging about it.

That makes it even better!

[Creep]

She was also scamming people in the process. And bragging about it.

That makes it even better!

Seriously. This is shaping up to be a brilliant business strategy. Isn't Cynthia Gallente's club some kind of pirate front/seedy crime lair anyhow?

This kind of reminds me of Istvaan's "Valentine Operatives" and pretending to be a woman irl in order to get the trust of directors (women NEVAR lie! That's SCIENCE!).

[BloodBird]

One shouldn't treat one's pussy like frozen trout sold bulk at Food-4-Less; it should be fine caviar, elegant and exclusive.

I lol'd, so so hard.

Same.

I believe in the concept of professional pride - if you have a job to do, do it well and respectfully. (Kind of sucks for me to believe this but slip from this standard at times, always sucks to catch yourself doing that, but that's another topic for another time...)

I would imagine even prostitutes can and should hold to this kind of standard - if your basically going to sell your body or parts of it for the other party's pleasure, one would hope you enjoy it as well and keep a specific margin of acceptability that you don't go below. No, there is little to no standard in harking your service like a cheap whore, in full meaning of that term - bad sex can be quite traumatic and scarring, and as a prostitute of either gender you risk that on a daily basis. Least you can do for yourself is ensure you minimize this risk and bad/misleading PR don't help.

If you offer yourself as a cheap whore with no inhibitions, people are more likely to treat you like one and think of you as one. As a player, and my toon as a character, prostitution is not the worst thing ever or terribly a-moral, but it's often a victim of bad quality, in many ways. You should always do what you can to make your job more enjoyable to go to and not something you dread, down that road lies suffering and misery on a daily basis. No thanks.

I'm a little confused as to why a Capsuleer would elect to spend the sort of money that could arrange for a small town of consorts exclusively engineered, sculpted and trained from birth to meet their exacting standards on a night with Cynthia Gallente

This. Nothing against Cynthia Gallente the character, as appearance is subjective... but I have a hard time figuring out what makes her worth 500 million ISK as a prostitute. Pieter is right. You could buy out half a planetary city with that kind of money.

It would be more worthwhile to hire your very own harem of, as Pieter pointed out, "consorts exclusively engineered, sculpted and trained from birth". Regular baseliner girls, who could easily live the socialite Kim Kardashian life on a fraction of a million ISK. More girls is often better than one, especially when we're talking about being useful for more than sex. You could staff your entire household with nothing but whores of every shape and color imaginable, perfectly molded to shape your needs and desires.

Oh, and... baseliners girls won't scam your ISK and run away like a capsuleer will.

As usual, I see nearly no reason to pay a capsuleer for anything I can get from a baseliner.

EDIT: Please note that I used girls instead of guys as an example because Cynthia is a female. Made more sense to compare by the same gender, but male prostitutes are great too!

And ofc this. From an IC pow capsuleer whores are hilarious. 500 million for one girl one time? I could buy and PIMP FIT 5 BC's with that or fit 3-4 BS's in a very acceptable T2 manner, ALL THE WHILE spend maybe 10 million (being very generous here) to have my own sex-paradise set up anywhere I want.

Or several. One for each station I've EVER been on.

[Natalcya Katla]

While she might sneer at it for being "primitive" behavior, Katla is basically fine with prostitution as long as it happens within the frames of the law (whatever the law may be).

While she is intellectually aware of prostitution as a social phenomenon, Ruby's frame of thinking would probably cause her to imagine an over-romanticized image of high-class escorts as being the norm of the human profession. "Common" prostitutes would fall squarely into her cognitive schema of "not really people", along with janitors, sailors, dockhands, etc. The idea of having sex with one would seem somewhat gross to her. She'd see it as the equivalent of having sex with a drone (which probably happens in EVE all the time, come to think of it). And anyone claiming that such prostitutes are in fact real people would come off as extremely creepy to her, or at best very, very lonely.