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Author Topic: RP PvP Corps.  (Read 12817 times)

Gesakaarin

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Re: RP PvP Corps.
« Reply #60 on: 27 Aug 2012, 21:22 »

RP PvP to me is all about creating potential shenanigans by seeking to frame blowing things up in an IC context and proceeding to set objectives that others are more then welcome to seek to upset and foil. It's just method acting and improvisation to me at the end of the day and I could care less about, "Winning" or "Losing" so long as the events that lead up to that point were engaging and interesting. You just need a mindset that's relaxed enough to just go with the flow and rationalize things as they come when doing RP and PvP as well as realize that they aren't separate and distinct concepts.

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Re: RP PvP Corps.
« Reply #61 on: 28 Aug 2012, 01:39 »

Just caught this thread.

I'm in a RP PVP corp (KISEC) in a PVP alliance (I-RED). We are occasionally not terrible at what we do.

From my perspective, I prefer killing RPers over anyone else. If there were a Rote gang behind one gate and a Masquerade gate behind the other, I'd try to encourage John to go after the Rote gang on the off chance I get to shoot Bacch. My favourite kills of all time are the times I've killed Damar Rocarion (who I suppose isn't really a RPer).

If I get to kill Diana Kim one day I would have won Eve.

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Jev North

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Re: RP PvP Corps.
« Reply #62 on: 28 Aug 2012, 01:52 »

Um, yes. I confess to a tiny bit of lust for "celebrity" kills, too. Although so far, it's been mostly me appearing on their killmails.
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Re: RP PvP Corps.
« Reply #63 on: 28 Aug 2012, 04:31 »

Interaction between different RP entities, be they conversations, meetings, joined ops, conflict in space, with words or whatever, is something I've wanted and miss now that I'm as inactive as I am.

This tread has been ab interesting read; a great deal of things have been mentioned and talked about, touching on, among other things, the 'value' of RP entities that fight, or not, with others, and have no fear of doing so. RP is a very broad term however and while it's been interesting to read this I recall two issues, of a kind, that may well be related. When talking about RP and the different view-points around it it would be useful to keep these in mind.

Not everyone's expectations or understandings of RP are the same.

Some people might find it rather alien to even fight with other RP entities or might even understand the idea behind such a conflict to start with. As much as many here believe conflict between RP entities enriches the experience (I certainly do) others may very well just want to be alone in their corner doing their thing, hoping/expecting that others will leave them be. So if pressed, these are more likely to just curl up and not 'interact' with even an IC-fueled deck or actions in space. Some might even take major offense OOC for the actions made.

Some endeavors in RP can be seen as rather unfair and ways to work this out should likely be considered.

EVE is a huge place, RP-wise, and there are countless options for your ideas and desires. While some people (like me, as seen in the example linked inside the tread I linked to) engage in open, 'public' RP like this occasionally hoping someone might 'opt-in' and join the fun in some way, others might be stumped a bit and not know exactly how this can be even done.

I think it might be smart to engage in a sort of 'compromise' between the mentioned ideals in this tread; in between having the RP interaction or conflict non-consensual and in the 'no rules, no honorable deals' manner, and the 'civilized conflict' with fair numbers and so on, any major interaction between RP'ers should have at least some level of OOC unison. While I think it would be more important with a far tighter OOC agreement regarding fluff-RP and stories and non-space activities, and having this relaxed considerably in the in-space PVP part, the ultimate goal was for everyone to be entertained, right? If so, it likely goes without saying that ensuring everyone involved are cool about it OOC is mandatory, IMHO.

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Re: RP PvP Corps.
« Reply #64 on: 28 Aug 2012, 05:30 »

Um, yes. I confess to a tiny bit of lust for "celebrity" kills, too. Although so far, it's been mostly me appearing on their killmails.

Hm. I don't think I've ever achieved "celebrity" status but there's something intriguing about people gunning for you just because you're well known and they hate your character (or oppose them without hate) in-character. To me, that means you're doing RP correctly.
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Re: RP PvP Corps.
« Reply #65 on: 28 Aug 2012, 07:36 »

Um, yes. I confess to a tiny bit of lust for "celebrity" kills, too. Although so far, it's been mostly me appearing on their killmails.

Koronakesh went so far as to use an alt in my alliance to ninja steal one of my corpses from a botched operation battlefield to add to his IC corpse library.

Bastard  8)
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Jev North

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« Reply #66 on: 28 Aug 2012, 07:41 »

I like that man. Has goals, gets things done.
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« Reply #67 on: 28 Aug 2012, 08:19 »

I like that man. Has goals, gets things done.

I don't know if you were around when he blasted a dev IC actor at abig live-event and derailed the whole thing, it was one of my favorite eve RP unscripted moments ever.

Koro knew a little-known fact that you can actually shoot dev actors in highsec with no CONCORD interference.  The Republic Fleet commander was rallying the RP troops for a Sansha incursion and Koro sent him straight to hell in front of everyone. Was glorious.


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« Reply #68 on: 28 Aug 2012, 08:23 »

I like that man. Has goals, gets things done.

I don't know if you were around when he blasted a dev IC actor at abig live-event and derailed the whole thing, it was one of my favorite eve RP unscripted moments ever.

Koro knew a little-known fact that you can actually shoot dev actors in highsec with no CONCORD interference.  The Republic Fleet commander was rallying the RP troops for a Sansha incursion and Koro sent him straight to hell in front of everyone. Was glorious.

You're forgetting the best part: the actor then cockslapped his, Boma's and one other person's sec status and Republic standings (might've only been just one, I forget) well into outlaw range.

A Nation actor then offered to "fix" the changes for them later on.
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Re: RP PvP Corps.
« Reply #69 on: 28 Aug 2012, 08:24 »

I agreed with the sec status hit as it was IC consistant, but god it was glorious.

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Re: RP PvP Corps.
« Reply #70 on: 28 Aug 2012, 11:37 »

Silloneri Balginia, who I seriously wish I had talked to more :s RSS4lyfe
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Re: RP PvP Corps.
« Reply #71 on: 28 Aug 2012, 11:46 »

A few points:

Someone mentioned a POS. However, there are a number of problems with this sort of thing.
1. Highsec POS require standings. An "Evil Amarr Slaver" corporation cannot put up a Highsec POS in Minmatar space, without a whole lot of meta fiddling. An Alliance could, afaik, but that's a whole different thing. There is still the question of why someone who is held in reasonable standing by the Republic is working actively with "Evil Amarr Slaver" corporations. Iirc, alliances can also move the POS holding corporation out of the alliance when the tower enters reinforced mode, allowing it to be refuelled before a war can become active again. Shenanigans.
2. Lowsec POS are unsuitable for groups of smaller size, it would, quite rightly, attract the attention of the Electus Matari dreadnoughts.

Anchorable containers, with an Orca hanging around, and other things would be far simpler to set up and play about with, however, there is another, bigger issue.

We've talked about this before, I think, the RP Hats problem.

To get RP-in-space things happening, a lot of things seem to require RP characters to act in such a way that places them in the most naive sector of the capsuleer populace.

Examples: The general population uses alt corporations to avoid things being easily traced to them. The exception are the naive people that haven't thought of this, or have not yet had it shown to them why alt corporations are a good idea.
The general population uses neutral transport ships to move items around.

Characters would see this sort of thing happening in the news articles, and would thus be aware of it.

A thing that is set up as a slave holding depot, would be done by most people with alt corporations and neutral transports. Instead, to get some rp-in-space going on, there's a requirement for the RP characters to disregard thing that the chars would have seen on the news, disregard any of their own experiences, and act in a foolhardy and naive fashion.

it just seems a bit weird to me, to expect RP characters to act in a way that is contrary to the way every other entity acts.
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Re: RP PvP Corps.
« Reply #72 on: 28 Aug 2012, 12:05 »

Ok, just to have people throw a few ideas out there.

What would an appropriate trigger for your (RP) PvP corp be to engage in a conflict with clear reachable objectives, and with which the triggering entity can fire the trigger without appearing naive, dense or stupid?

Because honestly, I sometimes have difficulty in imagining what I could convincingly do to pull another RP party into a nice (OOC mutually desirable) conflict that is about more than KB-stats or IGS braggery.

Let us brainstorm a couple of ideas!
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Re: RP PvP Corps.
« Reply #73 on: 28 Aug 2012, 12:09 »

This war will not cease until we have driven those Goddamn (Group X) out of our sovreign space!
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Re: RP PvP Corps.
« Reply #74 on: 28 Aug 2012, 12:41 »

Perhaps a split thread would be desirable for Merdaneth's ideas post?
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