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Seriphyn

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ME3 Extended Cut impressions [spoilers]
« on: 27 Jun 2012, 06:50 »

Just finished all four(!) endings. Excluding the new ending, the time from waking up at the beam to the credits is around 30 minutes. Anyway, some thoughts...

- The "Destroy" ending I didn't find all that great. Very Disney, and "We will rebuild". It was late last night, but I don't remember Shepard's name being put on the Normandy's memorial wall...oddly, the "breath" scene is retained. Not sure what that's about. Secondly, I'm not sure if the additional two variations on the Destroy ending (devastated Earth, extermination) are retained, and dependent on EMS scores.

- The "Control" ending was awesome. Was particularly moved by it. Not sure if the "devastated Earth" variation with lower EMS score is retained in this one either.

- "Synthesis" comes second for me, also awesome and very close behind Control. Destroy is a distant third.

- The "Reject" ending I found amusing at first. It's basically a giant "Fuck you and your self-entitlement complexes" from Bioware to gamers. I'm not sure whether to like that, or to find it somewhat offensive (I wasn't apart of the backlash). Or maybe I'm just overanalyzing it. Funny how all life in the galaxy is doomed because of Shepard's pride, right when he could have saved it. Definitely a metaphor for the backlash.

New dialogue with the Catalyst/Godchild is welcome, especially the ability for Shepard to go "hey wait a sec, r u tryin to cheet me agen" (or w/e). There's a giant clarification with your party members before Harbinger whacks you; I appreciated this, and had Liara (my romance) in my part, so had a nice farewell scene there.

I'm very satisfied, and honestly I wonder why they didn't do all of this before. Well done to Bioware for retaining their artistic integrity while actually telling us what the three choices mean. Their implications for the future of the galaxy are very distinct from one another.

Alas, people are still going to complain. I bloody hated the backlash; up until the extended cut was released, EVERY SINGLE MASS EFFECT VIDEO IN THE UNIVERSE had top-rated comments about the fucking ME3 ending. Christ, that's enough before I rant xD
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Re: ME3 Extended Cut impressions [spoilers]
« Reply #1 on: 27 Jun 2012, 07:16 »

Welp, I personally find myself in agreement with Spoony and a lot of others. There is no way to not play as a concussed retarded marmot during the end and piling more feces on the giant turd that was the original endings does nothing but drag it out. The Starchild is still the most ridiculously stupid concept in gaming history (yo dawg i herd u don't like being killed by synthetics so i made synthetics to kill you with synthetics every 50k years so you don't get to be killed by synthetics etc...) and there's no way to go on from there that makes any kind of sense.

Knowing that the original script actually made sense and had actual reasons for the Reapers to harvest races just makes Bioware's insistence that "this is the only ending we can make." basically turns them into a collective gathering of fuckpumps with no more value to gaming.
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Re: ME3 Extended Cut impressions [spoilers]
« Reply #2 on: 27 Jun 2012, 07:56 »

There is no way to not play as a concussed retarded marmot during the end and piling more feces on the giant turd that was the original endings does nothing but drag it out.

I'm pretty sure I'm not a concussed retarded marmot.

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(yo dawg i herd u don't like being killed by synthetics so i made synthetics to kill you with synthetics every 50k years so you don't get to be killed by synthetics etc...)

No. The idea was that non-Reaper synthetics would kill ALL organic life (advanced or not), whereas Reapers would spare pre-civilized organic life so that organic life is always preserved. The whole point of the Catalyst giving Shepard the decision was "well, seems the logic isn't infallible"
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Re: ME3 Extended Cut impressions [spoilers]
« Reply #3 on: 27 Jun 2012, 08:28 »

There is no way to not play as a concussed retarded marmot during the end and piling more feces on the giant turd that was the original endings does nothing but drag it out.

I'm pretty sure I'm not a concussed retarded marmot.

Shepard is and there is nothing you can do to stop him/her from acting like there's been some seriously percussive lobotomy going on.

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(yo dawg i herd u don't like being killed by synthetics so i made synthetics to kill you with synthetics every 50k years so you don't get to be killed by synthetics etc...)

No. The idea was that non-Reaper synthetics would kill ALL organic life (advanced or not), whereas Reapers would spare pre-civilized organic life so that organic life is always preserved. The whole point of the Catalyst giving Shepard the decision was "well, seems the logic isn't infallible"

"isn't infallible"? It's non-existent. Damn near infinitely older, greater, bigger, stronger etc ad nauseum creatures (and their pet/god starchild) has not come up with an alternative? Yeah, no. That's so mindbogglingly retarded that it borders on anencephaly.
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Re: ME3 Extended Cut impressions [spoilers]
« Reply #4 on: 28 Jun 2012, 00:38 »

Meh, no artistic integrity there at all. They ****ied out before the game was launched. Knew it would happen. The only problem was, the players called them on it. This was their way of fixing their own laziness without actually admitting they did anything wrong. Not the first time, but it's the last time I trust them to put out a quality product and get **** in return.

On to the topic though!

After reading the dialog, considering all the options, I remembered that Liara had that little time capsule thingy. I smiled, said "Got you, you stupid fuck" and I shot the Starchild. Never looking back. ME3 is dead to me. Not bitter, just satisfied with that ending.

I could explain exactly why, but I'd rather just paraphrase my favorite line, one that made me nearly cry:

"They fought a war so we wouldn't have to."

As a father, that spoke to me. I'd give my life for my children. There's also that whole messianic thing, making a sacrifice for the greater good, etc. Since Liara was my characters LI, I saw that as the most badass bittersweet love story ever.

 :cry:

I'm not crying goddamnit, I've got something in my eye!  :P
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Re: ME3 Extended Cut impressions [spoilers]
« Reply #5 on: 28 Jun 2012, 04:56 »

Going to try the new endings today. I hope they retained the artistic integrity they had in this one (for once, at the opposite of cheesy ME1 and ME2 endings...), and reworked all the rest that was stupid/bad/stretched. One can dream... My feedback in a few hours.
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Re: ME3 Extended Cut impressions [spoilers]
« Reply #6 on: 28 Jun 2012, 05:06 »

Going to try the new endings today. I hope they retained the artistic integrity they had in this one (for once, at the opposite of cheesy ME1 and ME2 endings...), and reworked all the rest that was stupid/bad/stretched. One can dream... My feedback in a few hours.

Bratalyst is still there so..nope  ;)

Joking aside, did not do much for me. It is better but considering how bad it was to start with that was not hard to achieve. If they had had this from the start it would have been just a mediocre ending instead of a crap one.

I had alot of other issues about the game and i of course  knew those would not be changed.

At least now we can bury this and start the prehype for....DRAgon Age 3!. It will be awesome!!, Innovative!!!, And this time we listened to the fans, no really, we promise!!!! Oh, and there will be MP, buy your sword and armor packs naow!!!!!!

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Re: ME3 Extended Cut impressions [spoilers]
« Reply #7 on: 28 Jun 2012, 06:52 »

I really liked Shepard's line if he refuses, and I can't get over the Child/Harbinger's response...SO BE IT. Tis wonderful.
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Re: ME3 Extended Cut impressions [spoilers]
« Reply #8 on: 28 Jun 2012, 08:00 »

At least now we can bury this and start the prehype for....DRAgon Age 3!
Ah yes, "optimism"...  :D
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Re: ME3 Extended Cut impressions [spoilers]
« Reply #9 on: 28 Jun 2012, 08:15 »

Bit busy at work, so going to do a semi-quick bullet-point.

What I liked:
- Better explanation of what the fuck each of the original three options were, and their ramifications.
- Explanation of what the hell happened with Joker and the ship - the extra scene with the LI there was touching, and it meant a lot to see that.
- Addition of the "fuck you" ending option, and the use of Liara's beacons. (The modified Stargazer scene was... interesting.)
- Better explanation of the aftermath in each of the endings, and what happened afterward.

What I didn't like:
- Much of the additional "ending" cinematics weren't really cinematics at all, just still images. That part was a little lame, and a bit of a cop-out. I would've been happy with either pre-rendered (like the space combat scenes) or in-engine (dialogue scenes), but still images with a slow camera pan is just dumb.
- There doesn't seem to be any extra material prior to the final run on the conduit in London. Perhaps I missed it, but it's a little misleading to be told "start back before the Cerberus base" when I'd had a savegame in London waiting to go.
- The "fuck you" ending did seem a bit like a "screw you guys" toss from Bioware and/or EA, and felt a little off to me. But at least it was added.
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Re: ME3 Extended Cut impressions [spoilers]
« Reply #10 on: 28 Jun 2012, 09:12 »

After having seen them all :

Pros :
- They explain better what was the intended message and conclusions brought by each of the choices, and also make the whole bit about organics vs synthetics less dumb and stretched. Now it makes a little more sense (even if it is still a little stretched).
- They ultimately fixed a lot of issues with the script and the story and I found it welcome.
- They kept the artistic integrity that was already here and improved it. I personally find the endings touching, or at least they bear the emotions intended (unlike in ME1 and 2).
- Special mention to both the control and synergy endings that are really meaningful. The destroy one is... well, standard, classic, almost tripe in comparison.
- Shepard dies. Even in the 3 happy endings, it adds a bittersweet taste to the story and it is very welcome.
- On the raison d'ĂȘtre of the reapers, it is a WHOLE LOT better now. I find it really interesting seen that way. Spoiler : they seem to be the result of ancient people that noticed that they had to do something to protect the galaxy from the inevitable wars between organics and synthetics, creators and their creations. LI explains quite well with an innocent tone how him, the future reapers, found an unique solution that implied to kill even their creators, and how a noble intention slowly became something grim and gloomy. And the irony...

Cons :
- They did not really fix what was the main issue with the end, meaning the gameplay issues. They try to do like Deus Ex 3 while it is actually a whole different game. Here you have to make choices on the story itself and the universe changes (to a certain point) according to what makes Bioware games main selling point : the ability for the player to make "significant" choices. In DE3, a very linear game focused on a specific story where the game chooses to give to the player the choice between different political and oriented endings full of shades of grey, it works well. In ME3, they still barely show what are the results of all the choices the player has made since the first one, and in addition LI almost tells the player that the synergy solution is the best, so it actually tries to influence the player in what is apparently (and probably, even if debatable), the best choice. After all if I remember correctly, you do not have access to all the endings if your score is too low ? Whatever.
- It is still impossible to save before choosing the ending you want, which is totally retarded. The game still makes a quicksave, but it is eventually crushed by a new quicksave when you get back into the normandy. Wtf ? So yes, you basically have to redo all the citadel level to see all the endings. I was not courageous enough to do so, so I had to watch the 3 remaining endings on youtube, like in the first version of the game... Fail.
- A lot of plot holes are still not covered.


Overall, I am more or less happy with the new end since it is now a decent one that is understandable and works. Of course it is not the indoctrination theory, but the Bioware version works too (the plotholes put aside). On a personnal level, I enjoyed them fully, instead of being frustrated to see a very good screenplay before while barely understanding anything and being confused about everything. So, in the end, it is an improvement, even if there are still a lot of things (gameplay especially) unadressed.
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« Reply #11 on: 28 Jun 2012, 11:28 »

it is possible to save a game during the end sequence, with a bit of trickery.

play ME3 in windowed mode, so you can tab out and stuff.

then, after a point where it has autosaved, you can go into Documents\Bioware\Mass Effect 3\Save , find the profile you're using, and copy the Autosave.pcsav file, rename it to an appropriate save game name, like Save_0089.pcsav

then you can reload at that point later, allowing you to choose endings a bit more easily.
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Re: ME3 Extended Cut impressions [spoilers]
« Reply #12 on: 01 Jul 2012, 13:41 »

Ah, they didn't remove the EMS variations, where if your score is low enough, you can only pick destroy or control depending on whether or not you saved the Collector base. If so, destroy wipes out Earth and destroys the relays, and there is a very depressing speech by Hackett. Control devastates London, and there's a shot of soldiers standing in its ruins rather than overlooking it being intact.
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Re: ME3 Extended Cut impressions [spoilers]
« Reply #13 on: 03 Jul 2012, 01:39 »

- Shepard dies. Even in the 3 happy endings, it adds a bittersweet taste to the story and it is very welcome.
Shepard did not die in my ending. I suspect your Effective Military Strength was too low.
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Re: ME3 Extended Cut impressions [spoilers]
« Reply #14 on: 03 Jul 2012, 06:46 »

- Shepard dies. Even in the 3 happy endings, it adds a bittersweet taste to the story and it is very welcome.
Shepard did not die in my ending. I suspect your Effective Military Strength was too low.

If that were the case, you'd think this would've been mentioned in the relevant epilogue(s).
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