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[Senn Typhos]

^ Okay, see that?

That is EXACTLY why I don't care who wardecs these people, or how hard.

[StalinGrad6]

*braces for impact*

let the bashing begin.

[Milo Caman]

*braces for impact*

let the bashing begin.

Honestly, whilst there are people around baying for your blood, I really don't think anyone here is 'out to get you' in an OOC sense.

[Casiella]

I think that the core misunderstanding here is feelings between character and between players.

Characters are who we play, much like the characters in a movie. The bad guy and good guy in a cowboy movie might have a shootout, but when the cameras shut off, the actors dust themselves off and go have dinner together.

That's what we mean about "IC" and "OOC", and you shouldn't feel persecuted because people shoot at each other in-game.

[Arnulf Ogunkoya]

I, the player, have a debate ongoing here with people who are playing Sansha loyalists. I feel that the Sansha are one of the few unredeemably bad groups in the game. Most of them disagree. But I bear no ill will toward the players for that.

It is, after all, only a game.

My character, on the other hand, hates Sansha and Blooders with a passion. If it was possible IC to kill them permanently I would cheerfully. Doesn't affect my attitude to the players one bit though. They are not the characters they play (or at least I hope they aren't).

[Elsebeth Rhiannon]

*braces for impact*

let the bashing begin.

Listen, mate.

The first I heard of you was in this thread. I have not for a second thought you are joke, I have not been bashing you, I have not done anything to you. All I've said about you above or anywhere is "I don't think anyone should publish chatlogs with him without his consent". I am not your enemy. I have no interest in putting you down or bashing you. So I'd appreciate if it you did not insist that I do. Thanks.

Fact is this: in EVE people wardec each other for RP, and it is not always with consent. That's how this game works. In this game we explode each other over sheer fantasy, and then talk about it in a friendly manner in pub meets after the fact. I've been in a war with the same guys for something like six years over nothing but RP, and we get along as players just fine despite. A lot of other games don't work like that. You assumed EVE didn't either, and made a mistake, provoking a wardec you were not prepared for. Big deal? That does not make you a bad RPer, and it does not make you laughing-stock. It just makes you a newbie, and, mate, we were all newbies once.

So: welcome to EVE, welcome to Backstage. If you want to start a new character, by all means do it. If we can help, let us know. If you want to ask about something that still bothers you, ask. But just be assured you do not have to start it all over to start anew, and that most of us don't think you suck, and would altogether rather be friends than bash you.

[John Revenent]

^^ What Elsebeth said.

[BloodBird]

As permission has been granted, here is the logg. As I see Stal himself made it here, this is where we start helping out.

Remember this place Stal, for in several years you will look back at many fun moments in EVE RP.

Or so I hope. You need any advice or questions answered, go ahead and ask.

By all means go explore the site too, much usefull info here.

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  Channel ID:      -17481493
  Channel Name:    Private Chat (alone)
  Listener:        Jesmine Kyriel
  Session started: 2010.12.27 21:18:09
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 [ 2010.12.27 21:18:21 ] StalinGrad6 > ah hello there
 [ 2010.12.27 21:18:35 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Hello Stal.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:18:44 ] StalinGrad6 > im in a slightly less pissed off mood so im easy to talk to and not so hostile anymore, so speak away
 [ 2010.12.27 21:18:44 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I do believe you have issues we amy work out.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:19:07 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Well, let's start with your last maif from 1 minute ago.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:19:20 ] Jesmine Kyriel > You don't do wars, do you?
 [ 2010.12.27 21:19:41 ] StalinGrad6 > fuck no im a miner. rp is pure for the rp. ppl take me too seriously.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:20:04 ] Jesmine Kyriel > That's jsut he thing. do you realize what Roleplay is?
 [ 2010.12.27 21:20:52 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I believe your underlying issue with the rest of is, you don't really realize what your doing. I did the same mistake soem years ago.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:21:04 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I could tell you about that, if you wish?
 [ 2010.12.27 21:21:27 ] StalinGrad6 > no. im experiencing it right now. i dont need a relapse.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:22:16 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Guess not then. I'd like to underline that this chat is ooc. So, no 'heretical Sani scum' things.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:22:50 ] StalinGrad6 > im not a bllod raider.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:22:52 ] Jesmine Kyriel > If you want to ask me something, feel free to go ahead.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:22:58 ] Jesmine Kyriel > no, not in real life, your not
 [ 2010.12.27 21:23:19 ] Jesmine Kyriel > But your toon went out and publicly declared that HE was. That's how you and I met.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:23:26 ] Jesmine Kyriel > rather, my toon adn your toon
 [ 2010.12.27 21:23:49 ] StalinGrad6 > ic im not a blood raider either. it was just a ruse to get these raider idiots to belioeve i was sincere. it worked and i got what i wanted.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:24:33 ] Jesmine Kyriel > yes, but there si the problem - it fooled the raiders themselves and thus also others. How could they know it was a ruse unless you had gone out and informed them from an IC point of view?
 [ 2010.12.27 21:25:03 ] Jesmine Kyriel > all the guys that bashed you for 'joining the sani sabik' did so because from their POW you raelly did. They did not like it
 [ 2010.12.27 21:25:24 ] StalinGrad6 > i was about to acually but my connection rather ditzy at the moment.... my pc seems like its overheating fr some reason.... i'll do it as soon as i can.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:26:25 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I'm not sure it will help, but feel free. Problem is about apparences, really. You think they will turn around adn trust you after what's happened?
 [ 2010.12.27 21:26:39 ] Jesmine Kyriel > anyway, let's talk about something else for a little bit.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:26:47 ] StalinGrad6 > suit urself.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:28:16 ] Jesmine Kyriel > You claim you don't do wars, but how does that reflect your rather public display, being as... agressive about things, as you were, on the IGS? You attracted alot of enemies, msotly if not totally due to your toon's actions.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:28:50 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Did you not think anyone would declare on you, jsut becasue you don't declare on others? Sadly EVE is a non-concensual game.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:29:08 ] StalinGrad6 > you think i dont know that? look,
 [ 2010.12.27 21:29:42 ] StalinGrad6 > ive stated repeatedly im no fighter. im a miner and a scientis. if anybody actually had any sense of decency they would figure out what i do is purely for my research.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:31:03 ] Jesmine Kyriel > People and/or characters don't allways care about that. take my toon as an example. She reacted to your declaration becasue she hates blood raiders, you reacted agressively, she took that as an insult on top of your alignment now and here we are
 [ 2010.12.27 21:31:07 ] Jesmine Kyriel > a possible war-dec
 [ 2010.12.27 21:31:21 ] Jesmine Kyriel > your a miner and researcher, that's fine
 [ 2010.12.27 21:31:40 ] Jesmine Kyriel > but you got yourself enemies who wanted to hurt YOU, not as fine, I expect
 [ 2010.12.27 21:32:53 ] StalinGrad6 > people are hypocrites. another part of being a scientist is understanding humans: predictability. i had it all planned out. i expected and correctly predicted hostile action and i planned accordingly. sadly, i was ignored.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:32:58 ] StalinGrad6 > as i usually am.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:33:17 ] Jesmine Kyriel > How did you plan accordingly?
 [ 2010.12.27 21:33:37 ] Jesmine Kyriel > If oyu did not include 'fight a war-dec' to counter the reactions
 [ 2010.12.27 21:34:42 ] StalinGrad6 > i did include that. but unfortunately im not quit prepared for it. but i did do my research. compiled lists, did cross checks, routed entire strategies. sadly it came to nothing as i was instead-ignored.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:35:34 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Yuor CEO told me this would have been the 4th war in 2 months, and you have bin in and out of your corp 3-4 times allready.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:35:46 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Did you never consider why people acted as hostile to you?
 [ 2010.12.27 21:36:17 ] StalinGrad6 > yes i did, but i didnt plan on that heavy of a reaction.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:36:25 ] StalinGrad6 > i was quite shocked really.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:37:25 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I'm betting your CEO was too. She was rather 'WTF? Again?'
 [ 2010.12.27 21:37:59 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I'd be too, I think. So... you say your 'done with the RP crap' - you planning on quiting entierly over this?
 [ 2010.12.27 21:38:33 ] StalinGrad6 > the first one was Drake Arson, sansha loyalist. he was just being annoying. hthe second was from a griefer corp, one i have a history with. the fourth was Drake again, why i dont know.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:38:57 ] StalinGrad6 > and yes i am. entirely? no. im just gonna lay low for a while and start on a new character.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:39:00 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I'm not sure about the griefer corp
 [ 2010.12.27 21:39:27 ] Jesmine Kyriel > but I blieve I can shed light on Drake Arson - much the same reason I planned ot dec your corp.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:39:33 ] StalinGrad6 > Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap. a word of warning, if u come to caldari pace avoid them at any cost.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:39:57 ] StalinGrad6 > why drake?
 [ 2010.12.27 21:40:36 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I'll keep that in mind. As for drake, he likely decced you twice because from an IC-pow you were A) anti-Nation and B) you claimed to be developing somethign nasty, presumably to hurt his faction of choice
 [ 2010.12.27 21:41:10 ] StalinGrad6 > you missed one. point 3: to annoy me. which he succeeded.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:42:00 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Perhaps, that however is only your oppinion, because he DID annoy you. likely he hoped you would have a cruor and be in space, to blow it up and claim to have twarted your plans. Personally my toon jsut wanted you to abandon the blooders and to get
 [ 2010.12.27 21:42:19 ] Jesmine Kyriel > evicted from corp as 'punishment'. A tangible retribution for your IC choices
 [ 2010.12.27 21:42:53 ] StalinGrad6 > drakes wardecs were long before i started all this, so i doubt it.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:43:53 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Well, then I don't know, but neither can I speak for him, so it don't much matter. Wha amtters is you seem to take personal offense to how your beign treated by other RP'ers in-character.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:44:21 ] Jesmine Kyriel > If you wanted less flak, there are ways you could fix that IC too. It's not hard adn you won't need ot re-sycle your toon or whatever.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:45:04 ] StalinGrad6 > EvE is my refuge from the world right now. i still hve a lot of anger and violence stored up from my old job. i come to eve to relax. since eve is my relaxation, i take offence because theyre ruining my peace.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:46:05 ] Jesmine Kyriel > but, that's exactly why you migt want ot think over how your RP affects others, then yorself. All actions have reactions. You can have a peaceful existance in EVE all you want, but you may be better served not getting more enemies
 [ 2010.12.27 21:46:17 ] Jesmine Kyriel > and mending the briges with those you have.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:48:13 ] StalinGrad6 > that means nothing to me. a peaceful existance in EvE is not something that is either humanly or even godly possible. there are just too many assholes around here its impossible.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:48:35 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Who do you consider to be the 'assholes' adn why?
 [ 2010.12.27 21:49:42 ] StalinGrad6 > you wouldnt know. you havent been in MY world.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:50:35 ] StalinGrad6 > pray you never have to.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:50:44 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Fair point. Regardless, let me ask you a question: did you or do you consider ME an asshole for telling your CEO I was going to declare war on his corp over you, something that made her kick you?
 [ 2010.12.27 21:52:00 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I'm not even sure is she actaulyl WILL do that
 [ 2010.12.27 21:52:24 ] StalinGrad6 > first of all Herr is a "he", secondly i considered you a threat and an enemy to be slaughtered at a later date. i dont consider you an asshole, just someone who doesent know to leave me the hell alone.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:52:48 ] Jesmine Kyriel > by 'you' do you reffer to my toon or me teh player?
 [ 2010.12.27 21:54:23 ] StalinGrad6 > either. to me it makes no difference. my training and experience have no place for difference. scumbag IC, scumbag IRL. ive nearly been killed several times by ppl whove tried to bullshit e, and ive gotten used to this mentality.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:54:54 ] StalinGrad6 > but i can be proven otherwise. as i have just now.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:55:07 ] Jesmine Kyriel > What do you mean?
 [ 2010.12.27 21:55:18 ] Jesmine Kyriel > As you have jsut now?
 [ 2010.12.27 21:55:45 ] StalinGrad6 > youre a scumbag IC, one who wont leave me alone. now ive spoken to you, i consider you that which i am indifferent towards: a humn being.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:55:56 ] StalinGrad6 > in other words:
 [ 2010.12.27 21:56:14 ] StalinGrad6 > im no longer hostile towards you. but i still dont like you. attitudes change.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:57:47 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I see. Yuor beginning to see the core of what I believe your problem with RP in EVE may be - you fail to separate IC actions and beliefs with OOC ones. IC, my character wanted you to A) renounce your alligience and B) to be kicked from corp, she would
 [ 2010.12.27 21:58:30 ] Jesmine Kyriel > be satisfied by that, and leave you alone after. I as a person don't really care what you do, but your IC actions had a reaction from my toon, when I considered 'what would Jesmine think of this? What would she do?' Now we know
 [ 2010.12.27 21:58:46 ] Jesmine Kyriel > *I* am not an Amarrian in RL. I'm not even female.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:59:07 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Adn I believe your doing something simmilar to what I did many years ago, ergo I'm here to try and help.
 [ 2010.12.27 21:59:12 ] Jesmine Kyriel > if you want to, ofc
 [ 2010.12.27 21:59:47 ] StalinGrad6 > im open to anything as long as i dont have to pay for it.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:00:20 ] StalinGrad6 > account shuts down January 6th unless i get a PLEX.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:00:43 ] Jesmine Kyriel > you won't, from an ooc point of view, not have to pay anything except the time needed to listen, adn that's only if you want to.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:00:50 ] Jesmine Kyriel > You don't pay with money?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:01:36 ] Jesmine Kyriel > ignore that question, it don't matter.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:01:43 ] StalinGrad6 > CCP shut down paybycash. i used paybycash and securing GTCs is a matter of opinion. PLEX are my only chance now.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:01:53 ] StalinGrad6 > it matters.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:01:57 ] StalinGrad6 > consider this:
 [ 2010.12.27 22:02:04 ] Jesmine Kyriel > aouch. Sorry to hear that.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:02:09 ] Jesmine Kyriel > /emote lsitens
 [ 2010.12.27 22:03:02 ] StalinGrad6 > im an rp player right? right. my acount dies in a few weeks right? right. consider this rp event my cup runneth over and if it had a positive effect on my game and that of others (obviously not) i went out with a bang. so to speak.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:04:32 ] Jesmine Kyriel > So you were about ot leave anyhow and hoped for a positive last event? I'm not entierly sure i follow, sorry.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:06:08 ] StalinGrad6 > sigh. i usually make sure i try to vex my enemies or do something fantastic that made everyone have more fun, before i leave anything. if i do leave, i make sure i create a lasting effect. at least for a while anyway.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:06:33 ] StalinGrad6 > it has worked in the past.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:06:48 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I can understand that. "You will remember me for this." Right?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:07:26 ] StalinGrad6 > of course. i try make sure ppl remember me. its workedvery well in the past. like an example?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:07:55 ] Jesmine Kyriel > No real need, but go on
 [ 2010.12.27 22:08:21 ] StalinGrad6 > sry i like to brag about this stuff its fun, besides im bored. ahem:
 [ 2010.12.27 22:09:10 ] StalinGrad6 > xbox live, my gold membership decided to end itself and we hit a spot of cash probs, so i couldnt renew. went on Chromehounds Server and had an end of year war with some friends.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:09:40 ] StalinGrad6 > as it went on, it grew and grew. at its climax it nearly crashed the server with 43000 players trying to get in on it.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:09:51 ] Jesmine Kyriel > cute
 [ 2010.12.27 22:10:08 ] StalinGrad6 > they never forgot that one i dont think.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:12:57 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Let's go back a bit to one of your sayings. "Assholes IC = assholes IRL" This is an impression you have due RL, I take it. There is a fundamental flaw in this I believe you have stumbled in
 [ 2010.12.27 22:13:31 ] Jesmine Kyriel > You see, I *KNOW* for a fact that the vast majority of RP'ers in this game are nice folks ooc? How do I know? I talk to them on a regualr basis, or used to anyhow.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:13:46 ] StalinGrad6 > i do as well.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:14:03 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I don't post much on that forum now due to an issue wih my PC a month or two ago, but my point remains.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:14:35 ] StalinGrad6 > but for me, its just how it happens. somehow it always goes back to IC, back to hating, back to hell and i nver hear the end of it.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:14:58 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Even the msot grotesque slaver adn murderer of children IC can be a loving family-man in RL. You take offense as a palyer to actions leveled towards your character for IC reason.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:15:03 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Well I'm sorry ot hear that
 [ 2010.12.27 22:15:24 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I've only had such a problem with oen guy in my whole life and do my best to ignore him now.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:15:29 ] Jesmine Kyriel > it works too, for me anyhow
 [ 2010.12.27 22:15:31 ] StalinGrad6 > its a curse im afraid. that visit to the Ukraine probably jinxed me.....
 [ 2010.12.27 22:15:42 ] StalinGrad6 > happy to hear it.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:17:30 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Before you do ro don't leave the RP scene for good, have you heard of the forum called 'Backstage'? It's a purely OOC forum for EVE online and frankly, it's very helpful to anyone with questions, or the deesire to talk about RP adn other stuff
 [ 2010.12.27 22:17:55 ] StalinGrad6 > yeh i heard of it.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:18:22 ] StalinGrad6 > im planning a visit to it later next year.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:18:26 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Oh good. I could link it to you and you could get registered, make a 'hello' tread etc. Might be helpful.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:18:34 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Later next year?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:18:35 ] Jesmine Kyriel > oh wait
 [ 2010.12.27 22:18:47 ] Jesmine Kyriel > next year is a few days away *favepalm*
 [ 2010.12.27 22:19:28 ] StalinGrad6 > lol
 [ 2010.12.27 22:19:37 ] StalinGrad6 > yeh i need a link to it.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:19:45 ] StalinGrad6 > please.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:19:48 ] StalinGrad6 > scuse my manners.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:20:32 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I'm trying, you are rather offensive when pissed, you got to admit
 [ 2010.12.27 22:20:52 ] Jesmine Kyriel > here you go
 [ 2010.12.27 22:20:55 ] Jesmine Kyriel > http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php
 [ 2010.12.27 22:21:34 ] StalinGrad6 > "rather offensive"? im a retired mercenary. it was my JOB to be offensive. but thx for the link
 [ 2010.12.27 22:22:32 ] StalinGrad6 > bookmarked
 [ 2010.12.27 22:23:29 ] StalinGrad6 > thank u
 [ 2010.12.27 22:23:31 ] Jesmine Kyriel > good, feel free to join in whenever you feel like it
 [ 2010.12.27 22:23:41 ] StalinGrad6 > i certanly will
 [ 2010.12.27 22:23:50 ] Jesmine Kyriel > til then, anything else you want to ask me?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:24:26 ] StalinGrad6 > well nothing except no wardec but besides that not much.... oh wait a bit, you a pvper right?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:25:01 ] Jesmine Kyriel > more-or-less, I got exhumer5, mining skills, Battelcruier5, and PVP-centric skills etc
 [ 2010.12.27 22:25:07 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I do both adn enjoy both
 [ 2010.12.27 22:25:41 ] StalinGrad6 > well, i need pvp help. got any Caldari or Amarr fits i can use? you know, expendables?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:26:10 ] Jesmine Kyriel > yes. Many cheap ones too. What ships are you thinking about?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:26:26 ] StalinGrad6 > erm... sec
 [ 2010.12.27 22:27:58 ] StalinGrad6 > Omen, Caracal, Rifter, Punisher and you dont happen to have the fit for a Naglfar or Cimera by any chance?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:28:10 ] Jesmine Kyriel > hell no
 [ 2010.12.27 22:28:33 ] StalinGrad6 > worth a shot
 [ 2010.12.27 22:28:49 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I'll mail you some fittings as I think them over, would have to get to my older toon for that however.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:29:12 ] Jesmine Kyriel > he knows all those ships, not jsut amarrian ones
 [ 2010.12.27 22:29:30 ] StalinGrad6 > oh cool thx fr that
 [ 2010.12.27 22:29:32 ] StalinGrad6 > btw
 [ 2010.12.27 22:29:40 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Yes?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:30:16 ] StalinGrad6 > fair warning: im putting an alt or other character into the RP. you'll only see me on my A DRone Reborn Thread on the IGS, him, you'll be seeing everywhere. watch out for him.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:30:55 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Feel free to deck this toon with your other character then if you wish, but don't expect it to be simple.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:31:33 ] Jesmine Kyriel > You will also have to find her etc, she don't have a habit of looking for people who deck her - the agressors go to where the agressed is, after all.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:32:10 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Stal, may I ask something?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:32:19 ] StalinGrad6 > if u want
 [ 2010.12.27 22:33:28 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Do your character consider Jesmine to be an enemy becasue she were about to declare on your corp over you, or do YOU the player consider her, or even me, an enemy?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:34:34 ] StalinGrad6 > just the toon. me personally-i used to. not anymore. Stal however REALLY hates Jesmine.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:34:57 ] Jesmine Kyriel > He did love that corp i think...
 [ 2010.12.27 22:35:07 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Are you realyl beign kicked out?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:35:08 ] StalinGrad6 > yep
 [ 2010.12.27 22:35:12 ] StalinGrad6 > nope.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:35:25 ] StalinGrad6 > if i was i wouldnt be talking to you.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:36:01 ] StalinGrad6 > id be scrambling for the safety of gallente space XD
 [ 2010.12.27 22:36:36 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Then you will see her sooner then you think. If your toon is not out of that corp by 04:00 tonight in-game-time then she will deck your corp. If you want to fight, feel free to have your other toon join the corp.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:36:44 ] Jesmine Kyriel > or fight yourself, it's allways an option
 [ 2010.12.27 22:37:38 ] StalinGrad6 > i cant fight. besides, im stuck in station for a week anyway. not much to do but wait fr training. you gonna let war one week then over or gonna continue it indefinitely?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:38:35 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I guess we will see. That's the problem with palyign my character - she sticks by her word. Your CEO said he would kick you and she offered the relaxation of lettign you leav corp in peace and there would be no war.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:38:59 ] Jesmine Kyriel > If she lied and you stay put there will be no choice but to deck you, she SAID she would.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:39:12 ] Jesmine Kyriel > and that might cost me alot of isk in assets, but so be it.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:39:59 ] StalinGrad6 > well, would she have any objections to me leaving and then rejoining later on? or perhaps first posting my leavig the raiders and publicly explaining what i did? would THAT avoid the war?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:42:09 ] Jesmine Kyriel > hold on a bit
 [ 2010.12.27 22:42:16 ] StalinGrad6 > kk
 [ 2010.12.27 22:42:29 ] Jesmine Kyriel > was a phone, I'll explain her IC viewpoints and my OOC viewpoints
 [ 2010.12.27 22:42:42 ] StalinGrad6 > ok
 [ 2010.12.27 22:43:12 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Way she sees it, you joining the blooders was THE BIG BAD, as she hates them. You decided to renounce yor loyalty to them, so that's good, but 'an example must be set' to ensure you or anyone else realize there are reactions to doing so. Yes, she would
 [ 2010.12.27 22:43:54 ] Jesmine Kyriel > want ot have you out of that corp, adn she would fight to force them to kick you out. That means a possibly long adn expensive war, as she value her word far more than her life, or wallet.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:44:29 ] Jesmine Kyriel > As for me, personally, I've nothing agaisnt anyone of you or your corpies. it would start with a week, then possibly a week more depending on how the war goes and if you leave or no.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:45:13 ] Jesmine Kyriel > if you kept remaining and refuse to leave, it would be a question of who grows bored frist; me with the pvp or lack thereof, or your corp with suffering due to your roon's RP actions.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:45:29 ] StalinGrad6 > no matter anyway, ive already entered corporate stasis. seems herr is kicking me. temporarily of course.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:45:34 ] Jesmine Kyriel > so short answer is; I don't know how long it will be, but if you remain there wil lbe a war
 [ 2010.12.27 22:45:54 ] Jesmine Kyriel > how much time is 'temporarely'?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:46:22 ] StalinGrad6 > a week, maybe 3 opr 4 days. i REALLY HATE these npc starter corps i have to go through.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:47:31 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I hear you. My main goes to aliestra, I HATE.THAT.HOLE
 [ 2010.12.27 22:48:21 ] Jesmine Kyriel > if you remaiend out for a week I'd think that amy be enough and she won't bother you again
 [ 2010.12.27 22:48:22 ] StalinGrad6 > Allestra? is it THAT bad?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:48:30 ] StalinGrad6 > 7 days? ok
 [ 2010.12.27 22:48:37 ] Jesmine Kyriel > *I* think so. There are people there who love it
 [ 2010.12.27 22:49:02 ] StalinGrad6 > to each his own eh?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:49:53 ] Jesmine Kyriel > consider this: how much time does SHE have to hunt you down? SHE has things to do as well, besides hunting you. Fact of the matter is you renounced your ties, and she did ask for that. You are also gettign kicked, she asked for that too, Job complete,
 [ 2010.12.27 22:50:25 ] Jesmine Kyriel > however the 'kick him form corp' was to have fellable IN-GAME consequences for actions made. How much suffering is a day in an NPC corp? A week might be different
 [ 2010.12.27 22:50:39 ] Jesmine Kyriel > after all, she can't hunt you forever, regardless fo what corp your in
 [ 2010.12.27 22:50:50 ] Jesmine Kyriel > and frankly, I don't have to much time either, so.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:51:27 ] StalinGrad6 > yeh. well, either way its over. and by the way, just for curiositys sake, if the war really did go through, i had somming special planned.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:52:11 ] Jesmine Kyriel > you'd better, it would have made for a nasty surprize I think. Try notot abandon your toon toatally though. Here is what you could do to swethen it over;
 [ 2010.12.27 22:52:28 ] StalinGrad6 > hold up a sec.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:52:36 ] StalinGrad6 > im not abandoning anything.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:53:05 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Good to hear.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:53:32 ] StalinGrad6 > but i had somming planned that would give little Jes a good reason not to linger around for too long.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:54:20 ] StalinGrad6 > a bounty of 100 mil to the one who brings me your corpse plus a further 10 mil for each confirmed ship kill. i think that money is enough for most people to at least try yes?
 [ 2010.12.27 22:55:06 ] Jesmine Kyriel > I'd think so yeah. But you would never get my corpse. Unless you ran to null-sec and bubbled me.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:55:17 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Anyhow here's what you could do;
 [ 2010.12.27 22:55:28 ] StalinGrad6 > /emote is listening
 [ 2010.12.27 22:55:45 ] Jesmine Kyriel > first, stay out of corp for a week, just train skills or whatever, you can still mine for your corp after all etc. Also, on the IGS, *politely* (try no to rage or be agressive) inform the public of your reasons for 'joining' the blooders, and that you
 [ 2010.12.27 22:56:48 ] Jesmine Kyriel > did so only for material gain, that ou GOT, and thus no longer needed thier help. Also, make a genralized appology for your rather edgy behavior, I'd think this is the majority of the reasons people might be angry wih you IC.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:57:20 ] Jesmine Kyriel > If that's something your character would do to get heat off him, I think it might work well. Jes would definitly have littel to no reason to deck you after that, her 'job' would be over
 [ 2010.12.27 22:57:53 ] StalinGrad6 > was actually planning thaty. already had somming penned out.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:58:30 ] Jesmine Kyriel > Good man. In that case I fear we will never meet in space. Not gunning each other down anyhow.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:59:05 ] StalinGrad6 > well, we'll have to see then wont we? anywho, i gotta go, wife aggro. cya bro. nice chattingv with you.
 [ 2010.12.27 22:59:08 ] StalinGrad6 > Peace Out.[/spoiler]

[hellgremlin]

So this is how i go huh?

Shot down both IC and OOC.

Milo, i appreciate your help but its quite obvious i can do nothing to remedy this situation with or without help. your efforts were not a waste of time and seriously i thank you for your help, but im so agitated im deaf to voices of reason.

thats over now, ive calmed down some.

ever since this stuff started ive recieved almost daily death threats.

i tell them to read my bio. and its over.

but i'll tell you one thing.

youre right about me not leaving RP permanently. i got ONE little storyline left in me.

All that rage? thats because you people were screwing me over. i plan EVERYTHING i say or do when it comes to EvE, unfortunately my "plan" didnt expect so many people to automatically shoot me down.

so thus, the thread was shut down due to nobody listening to me anymore.

but that will change. i got one more little thread left in me. i know better than anyone it will do NOTHING to help my main. but one things for sure.

i think you'll like it.

if not, i leave EvE online with a legacy.

as the worst RPer in history.

either way, i leave a mark. its not a good one, but its somming you'll remember.

im getting irritated again. you'll have to exuse me for not continuing, but i need to stop before i say something truly horrible.

good day. for now.

Are you angry at people? I could help you solve your problems. I find anger at people is wonderfully abated upon seeing those people horribly murdered.

[Mizhara]

Wasn't talking to you in particular, Elsebeth. Was just making a point in general.

[DosTuMai]

Mistakes:
I don't care. People make mistakes both IC and OOC. It's a terrible part of the human condition - it's something we can't avoid.
Dossie hasn't met the guy IC, niether has Mei, so he'd start with a clean slate.
Stuff happens, draw a line through it & carry on as there's no point getting upset about RP.
Wardecs & stuff:
If I had good enough reason and convinced my Corp that it was a good move, I'd wardec a Corp. Hell, if Miz was still in her old Corp, Dossie would dec on principle.
Stuff is stuff, so it's all gravey. Omnomnom.

[Silver Night]

Incidentally, I can change your member name to something else, if you'd like. PM me if you want it changed, to the name of one of your characters, or to something else.

[Syylara/Yaansu]

i plan EVERYTHING i say or do when it comes to EvE

That doesn't work with this game, and not just when it comes to RP.

[Elsebeth Rhiannon]

i plan EVERYTHING i say or do when it comes to EvE

That doesn't work with this game, and not just when it comes to RP.

What he says. That's just not how EVE works. Not EVE RP, and especially not EVE in general. People will do stuff you did not plan for, they will wardec you occasionally, they will suicide gank you, they will outbid you on the markets and generally compete with you, like it or not. You can plan everything you say or do, but you cannot plan the effects it will have with other people. You will end up in situations where unexpected stuff happens and you will have to improvise.

And that's where the fun is.

Generally, if you want to tell a story where you have control on everything, you don't RP. If you insist on RPing something where you can plan everything, you can try that in some formats, most easily in tabletops as a GM with an obliging group of players who enjoy your story more than they enjoy the chances to affect it. But in EVE, you basically, well. I guess you can do it. If you never do anything in the game, never undock, and never react to anything other people reply to you on IGS. But why would you? You might as well write a book.

[Aria Jenneth]

You might as well write a book.

It may be that I've gotten too used to roleplay to be a novelist: for me, the hardest part of writing a book is that the damned lazy thing doesn't talk back!

I'll second-- er, third-- the statement that you can't plan everything out in Eve. You'd need to "plan" other people's reactions, and that's ...

... well, just expect to do a lot of improvising.