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... as most people have probably heard, the fires in Malkalen are out, as of the Rubicon 1.1 patch today.
And Ishukone had words to say about it (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/ishukone-announces-investment-in-malkalen-reconstruction/).
Possible event brewing? Who knows!
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Fine, fixed in a patch.
Surely though, thinking logically it would be impossible to do that much work (even if just the exterior) in such a short space of time?
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Maybe it means I'm a dork, but the most exciting part of the patch notes to me was: "Station exteriors in New Eden have been renovated."
Though 1.1gb? With my internet, that's several hours. Laaaaaaaame.
Edit:
Also, ouch:
Crow
Mobility (agility / align time): 3.7 (+0.6) / 5.46 (+0.88)
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Imagine the aliens meme guy with the text :spacetech: + :money: underneath.
I'm a little wibbly on the realism of that much happening overnight (though, to be fair, I don't know how long it takes to hatch a station egg) but it's probably safe to guess that smaller, less visible work was being done in the background, unseen, and that the "last 24 hours" was a special rush for the visible, cosmetic fixes.
Jace: there's a reason I patched my TQ client to Sisi last night when I went to bed. Logged into TQ this morning instantly with no patching. :3 (Also, there were more graphics assets than just the remodeled stations and Crucifier and Nestor hulls - every object in the game with a rendered icon now has its icon included in the client rather than being rendered on the fly by the user's hardware. That's a lot of icons.)
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Imagine the aliens meme guy with the text :spacetech: + :money: underneath.
I'm a little wibbly on the realism of that much happening overnight (though, to be fair, I don't know how long it takes to hatch a station egg) but it's probably safe to guess that smaller, less visible work was being done in the background, unseen, and that the "last 24 hours" was a special rush for the visible, cosmetic fixes.
Jace: there's a reason I patched my TQ client to Sisi last night when I went to bed. Logged into TQ this morning instantly with no patching. :3
I must do this in the future. But oh well, this means I can't procrastinate much today.
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I'm a little wibbly on the realism of that much happening overnight (though, to be fair, I don't know how long it takes to hatch a station egg) but it's probably safe to guess that smaller, less visible work was being done in the background, unseen, and that the "last 24 hours" was a special rush for the visible, cosmetic fixes.
This is how I view it. I would imagine interior reconstruction has been complete for awhile, and that exterior construction was done as modules (much like ships)--finished pieces being built in other factories, then moved to and attached to the station overnight, replacing the old, damaged components.
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in-universe, they could have funded the reconstruction by.... offering LP to capsuleers.
because to cash in on LP, costs ISK and lots of it. the LP store ISK costs are greater than mission ISK reward payments (not including bounties ofc, bounties come from CONCORD).
So, by offering LP in return for materials/repair drones, then they can fund the reconstruction, from the ISK spent by capsuleers cashing in their LP.
And it could have been an event.
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Also of note:
The Malkalen station isn't actually finished. Just looked at it in-game. There is still noticeable structural framework on the 'fin' bits and some other parts of the superstruture, and it's missing the 'tube' to the exterior platform that other stations of that design have. It's also missing the structure that connects it to the other exterior platform.
So it's not entirely finished. There's still work being done.
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Imagine the aliens meme guy with the text :spacetech: + :money: underneath.
I'm a little wibbly on the realism of that much happening overnight (though, to be fair, I don't know how long it takes to hatch a station egg) but it's probably safe to guess that smaller, less visible work was being done in the background, unseen, and that the "last 24 hours" was a special rush for the visible, cosmetic fixes.
Station egg mechanics are a little derpy like this. You launch and anchor it, which only takes an hour but leaves it still an egg. Then you charge it full of production mats, 'priming' it for proper deployment. Because of the nature of the DB update, though, the outpost only deploys over the next downtime - no matter how far off it is. Naturally, people have taken to deploying outposts at the last possible moment before DT to minimize its time as a destructible egg.
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(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/78/7837ba6fadd41d4ff6ac3ac7147ebbbe2fe33387a6e6398576f9ccc9c4c59d70.jpg)
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This would have been a wonderful chance for a player event not involving shooting other people, but involving distribution and accumulation of construction materials.
Could have been a nice chance for Ishukone and State supporters to contribute in game and see some results for a nice little arc :
:(
But hey maybe that kind of thing isn't going to happen anymore.
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Now CONCORD just needs to stop being derps and fix their station. :psyccp:
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Now CONCORD just needs to stop being derps and fix their station. :psyccp:
hehehe, i suppose its difficult for them since they need to keep huge quantities of cash to pay all the NPC bounties, taxes can only go so far....
But perhaps with the new "95% payout" mechanic ...they will keep the books a little tighter this year.
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Last time someone asked on the IGS that CONCORD rebuild the station, the event actor came and said "WHY ? THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY USELESS NOW"
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Hopefully this signals the end of the Ishukone hard-on TonyG had and there can actually be more arcs and news involving the other Megas in the State like Wiyrkomi or CBD that have had practically nothing mentioned about them. Hell CBD is still basically a short paragraph of, "We import and export stuff."
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Need more Hyasyoda stuff! I want to hear more about the Practical-turned-Liberal.
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Hopefully this signals the end of the Ishukone hard-on TonyG had and there can actually be more arcs and news involving the other Megas in the State like Wiyrkomi or CBD that have had practically nothing mentioned about them. Hell CBD is still basically a short paragraph of, "We import and export stuff."
Doubt it.
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Hopefully this signals the end of the Ishukone hard-on TonyG had and there can actually be more arcs and news involving the other Megas in the State like Wiyrkomi or CBD that have had practically nothing mentioned about them. Hell CBD is still basically a short paragraph of, "We import and export stuff."
Doubt it.
Maybe, but I guess it depends if CCP will still need a plot device for when they need a State Mega to undertake actions no other Mega would agree to politically.
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Frankly, I'm just happy to see things marching forward.
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Nugo isn't much better.
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Need more Hyasyoda stuff! I want to hear more about the Practical-turned-Liberal.
There is some story about Hyasoda in Caldari epic arc :roll:
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I said more.
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TBH, it makes sense that you don't hear much about a megacorp like Hyasyoda. They are a very paranoid bunch, and thus it would seem they prefer to keep out of the limelight. :)
The same logic can be applied to a lot of the other megas, especially NOH with being all shady business dealers and whatnot.
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TBH, it makes sense that you don't hear much about a megacorp like Hyasyoda. They are a very paranoid bunch, and thus it would seem they prefer to keep out of the limelight. :)
The same logic can be applied to a lot of the other megas, especially NOH with being all shady business dealers and whatnot.
I think a mega that focuses on entertainment and gambling would be in the public eye a bit.
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They have a reputation for operating on the shadier side of the law. I doubt they would want to be in the public eye much. But, alas, this just comes down to personal opinion.
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They have a reputation for operating on the shadier side of the law. I doubt they would want to be in the public eye much. But, alas, this just comes down to personal opinion.
There are rumors of such activities. None confirmed. And it just seems rather oxymoronic for an entertainment corporation to not be in the public eye. That's sort of the job description.
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Sorry Swagginmuffin, I'm gonna have to back Jace on this. NOH is all about the public eye. They rub their junk all up in the public eye and love it.
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I think my two favourite Caldari news-arcs were the SuVee-Lai Dai war and the Deep Core Mining mine collapse since they showed aspects of the State coming through: Their willingness to engage in open corporate warfare and their equal willingness to tell the Amarr to mind their own business and keep the slaves to their own.
I'm also not sure if it's intentional or not but increasingly in my own perception it seems CCP's portrayal with Ishukone is that it's the Mega that's the nail sticking out in the State. Just a few examples:
- Where the Caldari can be described as a stoic and dignified people Mens Reppola has now had two "emotive" and "teary" public displays (Sensitive New Age Caldari, maybe?)
- Ishukone has had two high-profile defections with Hnolku and that Arek'Jaalan guy that most other Caldari considered treasonous actions. To the point Hnolku is synonymous slang for traitor.
- Only Mega to seek normalized relations with the Federation beyond economic considerations.
- Only Mega to make deals with the Federation during the Heth period (Although the news article regarding the Ishukone-Roden negotiations seems to have gone into a CCP memory hole).
- Only Mega to be staunchly publicly opposed during the Heth period
That's only off the top of my head, but I've always wondered at the direction CCP has taken with Ishukone in the news and fiction. It's like they've gone, here's the Caldari State on one hand, and then now here's Ishukone and its citizens doing things completely different on the other. Maybe that's the point, who knows.
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I wouldn't say no to anything tat makes Practicals more than b-movie collectivist Randroids. We have a slew of opportunities for exploring all of the megas and their impact on society, but atm it seems to be 'Military Liberals', 'Military Patriots', 'practicals' and then 'generic research group, add bloc prefix as required'.
Suvee is a 40% land owner in the State at large. This represents enormous diversity of holdings even with most of it potentially being empty space for development, agriculture or industry (empty as in non-residential, non-metropolitan - aka culturally void as the societies there are so small as to be absorbed entirely into generic corporate culture as opposed to local factors).
NOH is an entertainment corporation. What constitutes entertainment in the State? We get a slew of 'shady drug manufacturing and naughtiness' in the PF that just doesn't do justice to an interstellar media and commodity producing giant. How does NOH penetrate the culture of other megas to retail its products? Is NOH in partnership with other mega-subsidiaries to provide tolerated products and media to the masses? Even better, is NOH intrinsic to the cultural sanitising of foreign media for the Caldari public?
CBD. Import/export... I see. What precisely? Are they a buy low sell high lot with a logistics backbone? How are they a mega corporation if all they do is move product? On an interstellar and international scale I assume this could become a realistic option, but why another mega wouldn't subsume them into a full vertical monopoly that would benefit both organisations escapes me. Do they have some horizontal holdings that stabilise and feed them, with import/export being their noticeable contribution to the State?
There are many more questions on this topic, but the above are particularly vexing in my opinion. The Practical bloc is extremely under-developed to the point of being moustachioed capitalist villains in the PF, and it is my hope that myself and like-minded players can begin to round the faction out, based on the (in game) realities we have experienced moving between larger power structures as traders, industrialists, freelancers and even privateers on occasion.
I applaud the efforts of Liberal and Patriot roleplayers and hope that by beginning to address these deeper questions, from our perch as capsuleers holding Caldari values, we can add more life to our faction.
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I think my two favourite Caldari news-arcs were the SuVee-Lai Dai war and the Deep Core Mining mine collapse since they showed aspects of the State coming through: Their willingness to engage in open corporate warfare and their equal willingness to tell the Amarr to mind their own business and keep the slaves to their own.
I'm also not sure if it's intentional or not but increasingly in my own perception it seems CCP's portrayal with Ishukone is that it's the Mega that's the nail sticking out in the State. Just a few examples:
- Where the Caldari can be described as a stoic and dignified people Mens Reppola has now had two "emotive" and "teary" public displays (Sensitive New Age Caldari, maybe?)
- Ishukone has had two high-profile defections with Hnolku and that Arek'Jaalan guy that most other Caldari considered treasonous actions. To the point Hnolku is synonymous slang for traitor.
- Only Mega to seek normalized relations with the Federation beyond economic considerations.
- Only Mega to make deals with the Federation during the Heth period (Although the news article regarding the Ishukone-Roden negotiations seems to have gone into a CCP memory hole).
- Only Mega to be staunchly publicly opposed during the Heth period
That's only off the top of my head, but I've always wondered at the direction CCP has taken with Ishukone in the news and fiction. It's like they've gone, here's the Caldari State on one hand, and then now here's Ishukone and its citizens doing things completely different on the other. Maybe that's the point, who knows.
Before TonyG, Ishukone was almost leading Caldari corporation. What happened with them, is a clash of two "mountain goats": Gairushi and Broker, who rammed their horns of pride to each other, obliterating themselves and millions of lives around in process. After that, Ishukone turned from leading to rear Caldari mega, it became black ship, and it rotated around Mens Reppola. The damage done to this corporation's name, from my opinion, is way greater than damage done to the name of Caldari Constructions. CCP has removed Heth, but Reppola is still here.
Such depiction of Ishukone and their resistance to the State runs counter to typical Caldari mindset, where being Caldari has preference over being a member of a certain corporation.
Caldari thought of them as Caldari first, their corporation came second, with the bloodline they belonged to a distant third
I don't know what CCP is doing, but I see obvious parallels between Ishukone turns and this new story with FIO agents... :roll:
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Before TonyG, Ishukone was almost leading Caldari corporation. What happened with them, is a clash of two "mountain goats": Gairushi and Broker, who rammed their horns of pride to each other, obliterating themselves and millions of lives around in process. After that, Ishukone turned from leading to rear Caldari mega, it became black ship, and it rotated around Mens Reppola. The damage done to this corporation's name, from my opinion, is way greater than damage done to the name of Caldari Constructions. CCP has removed Heth, but Reppola is still here.
I'm not sure if Ishukone was a leading Caldari Mega prior to TonyG since KK and SuVee have always been described as the largest powers in domestic State affairs in terms of size of employees, political authority, and asset ownership. I'd say the point I'm making is that Hyasyoda seems more Caldari Liberal than Ishukone is. Hyasyoda to me sees being Liberal as pursuing a specific agenda of breaking down protectionism, trade barriers, and tariffs in foreign markets as a means to move in, corner certain fields and destroy the competition there by being better. It's economic liberalism, or an interstellar globalist agenda that has the specific goal of benefiting Hyasyoda over the foreign competition.
While Ishukone and Hyasyoda might appear to share that view, Hyasyoda retains specific traits of being isolationist, suspicious, and almost xenophobic which doesn't appear to be a cultural leap out of the Caldari mindset which can on some levels be described as such. With Ishukone however, and especially with the narrative written by Tony G they don't seem to believe solely in economic liberalism abroad as the means to benefit your own - but in fact seem to hold to liberalism as a political and ideological motive as well. A perception issue perhaps, but one that isn't helped when Ishukone alone seems to pursue deals with the Federation in news articles.
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It's the same difference between Tash Murkon and Kor Azor. The latter is liberal by politics, the former by Udorian pragmatism.
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Then if CCP is seriously trying to imply that Ishukone is politically liberal in the sense of actually embracing things like individualism, pluralism, cultural tolerance, etc., then what are they? Just Gallenteans with Caldari affectations?
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I am sorry, I think I used wrong word again. I mean, Ishukone was prominent corporation, not the largest, but rather successful. After all, they brought hydrostatic capsule to the State.
What bothers me, that current depiction of Ishukone shows them not just like liberals (like Hyasoda), but rather like... pro-gallentean?
And this depiction of "Just Gallenteans with Caldari affectations" is, unfortunately, true from only one side. Because there are no such gallente corporation, that would promote Caldari ideals and act as a fifth column against Federation. What would happen with this corporation? Suddenly Mentas Blaque boom boom pewpew, whoosh~ no more corporation, and they lick all together Roden's boots. And Caldari? You can have your unruly Ishukone till the end of days, with the only force that could bring it in line dissolved as terrorists.
Good job, CCP. Good job.
Maybe with next patch they just add to description of Caldari "They are failures. They are evil. They will lose. Don't join them. Join federation. Free LP and exotic dancers for every signatory".
Sorry, I am simply getting tired of this.
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Sorry, I am simply getting tired of this.
You mean the CCP/Tony G narrative of: The triumph of freedom-loving Western Democracy (Federation) over the evils of Fascism and Communism (State)?
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I wouldn't say no to anything tat makes Practicals more than b-movie collectivist Randroids. We have a slew of opportunities for exploring all of the megas and their impact on society, but atm it seems to be 'Military Liberals', 'Military Patriots', 'practicals' and then 'generic research group, add bloc prefix as required'.
Suvee is a 40% land owner in the State at large. This represents enormous diversity of holdings even with most of it potentially being empty space for development, agriculture or industry (empty as in non-residential, non-metropolitan - aka culturally void as the societies there are so small as to be absorbed entirely into generic corporate culture as opposed to local factors).
NOH is an entertainment corporation. What constitutes entertainment in the State? We get a slew of 'shady drug manufacturing and naughtiness' in the PF that just doesn't do justice to an interstellar media and commodity producing giant. How does NOH penetrate the culture of other megas to retail its products? Is NOH in partnership with other mega-subsidiaries to provide tolerated products and media to the masses? Even better, is NOH intrinsic to the cultural sanitising of foreign media for the Caldari public?
CBD. Import/export... I see. What precisely? Are they a buy low sell high lot with a logistics backbone? How are they a mega corporation if all they do is move product? On an interstellar and international scale I assume this could become a realistic option, but why another mega wouldn't subsume them into a full vertical monopoly that would benefit both organisations escapes me. Do they have some horizontal holdings that stabilise and feed them, with import/export being their noticeable contribution to the State?
There are many more questions on this topic, but the above are particularly vexing in my opinion. The Practical bloc is extremely under-developed to the point of being moustachioed capitalist villains in the PF, and it is my hope that myself and like-minded players can begin to round the faction out, based on the (in game) realities we have experienced moving between larger power structures as traders, industrialists, freelancers and even privateers on occasion.
I applaud the efforts of Liberal and Patriot roleplayers and hope that by beginning to address these deeper questions, from our perch as capsuleers holding Caldari values, we can add more life to our faction.
I absolutely agree the Practicals are underdeveloped. They are described as being the most pro-Heth, but at the same time willing to bail on any cause if it stops being useful for them.
CBD is...what? If all CCP does is say "zomg, look at their import/export", they start to look like the Eve mash-up of Maersk Line and a high-risk investment firm. While Maersk Line IRL is impressive, they sure as hell wouldn't qualify as anything "mega".
And for NOH, the only large entertainment markets we see explicitly mentioned is gambling and gladiators. So sure, it would make sense that they would probably be the most in control of casinos, gladiator leagues, etc. But again, as you said, how does this qualify as a mega? It wouldn't be that hard to describe their holovid presence, their international presence (if any), their other business markets that have made them large enough to be a mega.
I've been thinking a lot about NOH recently for character reasons, and it would make sense to me that even small gambling organizations and gladiator leagues on po-dunk planets would be subsidiaries of NOH. It's the only way one can really imagine NOH as a mega.
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Sorry, I am simply getting tired of this.
You mean the CCP/Tony G narrative of: The triumph of freedom-loving Western Democracy (Federation) over the evils of Fascism and Communism (State)?
Well, luckily CCP don't call it like that... yet... I hope.
And yea, TonyG was calling Heth "madman", "dictator" or something like that...
But it's not about this narrative, but rather depiction of Caldari as failures:
- failed to force Ishukone in line
- lost titan
- titan pilot fails to execute orders, or at least to fight back with this machine
- reaction to this tea story as "murder"
- inability of Heth to act (this Heth, who went on suicide mission to capture Armour Forge, and this Heth, who rushed to bring shot down worker from under fire, who attacked Gallentes in front line during takeover of Arcurio on Caldari Prime), I simply can't believe he could be afraid of anything and run away...
- this whole 'terrorist' plot
- Kaalakiota financial crisis
- Reppola, who begs for peace
- infiltration of FIO agents
etc etc etc
All this is examples of uncharacteristic to Caldari unprofessionalism, disregard to Caldari pride and ideals, and outrageous stupidity with softness.
According to this approach, Caldari are what, ruthless to themselves and like soft and spineless to anyone around?...
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Sorry, I am simply getting tired of this.
You mean the CCP/Tony G narrative of: The triumph of freedom-loving Western Democracy (Federation) over the evils of Fascism and Communism (State)?
Well, luckily CCP don't call it like that... yet... I hope.
And yea, TonyG was calling Heth "madman", "dictator" or something like that...
But it's not about this narrative, but rather depiction of Caldari as failures:
- failed to force Ishukone in line
- lost titan
- titan pilot fails to execute orders, or at least to fight back with this machine
- reaction to this tea story as "murder"
- inability of Heth to act (this Heth, who went on suicide mission to capture Armour Forge, and this Heth, who rushed to bring shot down worker from under fire, who attacked Gallentes in front line during takeover of Arcurio on Caldari Prime), I simply can't believe he could be afraid of anything and run away...
- this whole 'terrorist' plot
- Kaalakiota financial crisis
- Reppola, who begs for peace
- infiltration of FIO agents
etc etc etc
All this is examples of uncharacteristic to Caldari unprofessionalism, disregard to Caldari pride and ideals, and outrageous stupidity with softness.
According to this approach, Caldari are what, ruthless to themselves and like soft and spineless to anyone around?...
If the Caldari "won" you'd probably see similar complaints from Fed types. The thing I've learned is that in the end CCP has their own metaplot of what direction they want events to move forward in, and things will be made to suit as needed.
We play capsuleers anyway whose lives are divorced from domestic affairs so the impact of the news and events is only limited by how much you decide they should.
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I don't think retaking Home would be qualified as soft and spineless. But I do agree that CCP handled the downfall of Heth very, very, very (very) poorly.
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To those complaining that only certain megas are getting attention, let me just inform you, that carries over to the other factions as well.
Pretty much all Minmatar oriented news is about the Sebiestor or the Brutor, the other tribes always just seem to be treated like afterthoughts.
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There are other tribes?
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To those complaining that only certain megas are getting attention, let me just inform you, that carries over to the other factions as well.
Pretty much all Minmatar oriented news is about the Sebiestor or the Brutor, the other tribes always just seem to be treated like afterthoughts.
And it's the same for the Amarr. You never see much mention of the Kingdom, or Kor-Azor, or Kador. It's usually Ardishapur and Sarum; Tash-Murkon had a brief reference in recent memory but that's it.
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To those complaining that only certain megas are getting attention, let me just inform you, that carries over to the other factions as well.
Pretty much all Minmatar oriented news is about the Sebiestor or the Brutor, the other tribes always just seem to be treated like afterthoughts.
On one hand, you can use it for your own interest and write whatever you want.
On the other, CCP can come one day with completely different story :P
I don't think retaking Home would be qualified as soft and spineless. But I do agree that CCP handled the downfall of Heth very, very, very (very) poorly.
In the end, it is their game, they are game masters, so we have only to wait and see what happens next. In any case, progress is better than stagnation. Just some of last steps were regress instead of progress. Return to the past is often seen as a mauve-ton.
If the Caldari "won" you'd probably see similar complaints from Fed types. The thing I've learned is that in the end CCP has their own metaplot of what direction they want events to move forward in, and things will be made to suit as needed.
We play capsuleers anyway whose lives are divorced from domestic affairs so the impact of the news and events is only limited by how much you decide they should.
Nope, I am not telling just about losing, but constantly depiction Caldari as failures. Unfortunately, we can't change it, since it is their game and they set rules. What we can do, is try to present characters, who would rather be successful, professional, ruthless and selfless Caldari, promoting national interests (or strive for this goal), and not some corporate puppets or selfish pilots, who broke free from corporate chains to become "demigods".
I have a couple of ideas to try to boost Caldari self-esteem, and might even try to get CCP support, but something tells me they won't go for it, because it will be kind of against their plans :roll:
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To those complaining that only certain megas are getting attention, let me just inform you, that carries over to the other factions as well.
Pretty much all Minmatar oriented news is about the Sebiestor or the Brutor, the other tribes always just seem to be treated like afterthoughts.
And it's the same for the Amarr. You never see much mention of the Kingdom, or Kor-Azor, or Kador. It's usually Ardishapur and Sarum; Tash-Murkon had a brief reference in recent memory but that's it.
Wait, what?
Kingdom, Kor-Azor, and Kador get regular mentions (Kador invasion, Kador celebrations. Kor-Azor has Amarrian batman and the recent 'going over the heads of the Holders' controversy. Kingdom is consistently a major thing, even if there hasn't been much news with them lately). Ardishapur and Sarum have both had a bit lately, but there's been plenty from the others.
Tash-Murkon are the ones who seem to get very little, with the exception of the TCMC thing.
Point being, Amarr actually seem to be pretty well-off regarding equal coverage. It's easier to do with us since those groups are localized in easily identifiable individuals. We're nowhere near as bad as the lesser-seen factions in the other empires. I'd actually say the Gallente are the worst off, since they seem to basically never reference any group that isn't the Black Eagles or the central government. We never hear about individual planetary/system interests (with the exception of Intaki and Caldari Prime), or even much of the political parties.
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I have a couple of ideas to try to boost Caldari self-esteem, and might even try to get CCP support, but something tells me they won't go for it, because it will be kind of against their plans :roll:
Might be an interesting initiative, although I feel my Caldari self-esteem is doing rather well playing a cold, ruthless, Caldari nationalist and Kaalakiota loyal corporate executive.
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Sorry Swagginmuffin, I'm gonna have to back Jace on this. NOH is all about the public eye. They rub their junk all up in the public eye and love it.
Swagginmuffin?! I...I don't know what to say...
Then if CCP is seriously trying to imply that Ishukone is politically liberal in the sense of actually embracing things like individualism, pluralism, cultural tolerance, etc., then what are they? Just Gallenteans with Caldari affectations?
I think this train of thought can be a topic of it's own. Ishukone are definitely Caldari. I think to answer this question would involve defining what it means to be Caldari (aka what is Caldari culture?).
For example:
I might think sacrificing my pride in the name of the greater good would be the best route to take. You may think defending your honor and continuing the fight is the best option. You might see me as a spineless coward and I might see you as a stubborn bastard. At the end of the day, however, we both look to Cold Wind for guidance.
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Pretty much all Minmatar oriented news is about the Sebiestor or the Brutor, the other tribes always just seem to be treated like afterthoughts.
I think the difference here is that the Brutor and Sebiestor represent a significant portion of the Republic population and political force so it's justifiable to me if they make the news more often since they're powerful driving forces.
With the Caldari State it's described that Kaalakiota and SuVee are the two largest Megas and the Patriot/Practicals the largest political and economic blocs that combined together are the driving forces behind domestic Caldari affairs, yet, where it might be said the Patriot/Practicals together constitute 80-90% of the Caldari population it seems like it's Ishukone alone that is in 80-90% of State related news articles.
It's like being told the Democrats and Republicans are the major political parties in the US but then only getting op-ed about minority candidates and parties in the news. This is much the same situation with the State and the in-game news. Kaalakiota/SuVee/Wiyrkomi/CBD/Lai Dai/NOH altogether represent the Caldari majority and together form the actual political and economic quorum of the CEP -- Ishukone does not. As such it becomes inherently difficult to gauge the actual corporate-political agendas and the general worldview of the Caldari majority when CCP continues to only present what is in effect the minority of the State in terms of population, economic power, and political authority.
This becomes an issue, because the news articles do represent a resource for setting the outlooks and political agendas of ones own characters and organizations in RP and with the State if nothing is said about what the Patriot and Practical Megas are up to, then it can be said you have no idea what the State is up to and how its citizens view the world in the present.
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[23:35:38] CCP Logibro > Oh you silly Capsuleers...
[23:36:28] CCP Logibro > You think the station in Malkalen is fixed already.
[23:36:33] CCP Logibro > They're just getting started...
[23:37:27] CCP Logibro > I mean, they're started fixing it, but it's by no means actually finished.
[23:37:57] CCP Logibro > Maybe not you specifically, but many others have been commenting on how it was fixed in a day >.>
[23:54:45] CCP Logibro > Anyway, if you see anyone else going on about the station being fully fixed, give them a jab in the ribs for me will you?
[23:55:58] CCP Logibro > It's being fixed.
[23:56:08] CCP Logibro > It's by no means finished.
So yeah. Apparently the news was not supposed to mean that the station was fixed in a day (and reading back over it, I can see that people did jump to conclusions. Though it is very vaguely written and so is easy to make assumptions). Plus the in-game model specifically shows that it is not finished yet.
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So it looks like some of you can suck it up and continue to take TonyG's Ishukone hard-on.
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So it looks like some of you can suck it up and continue to take TonyG's Ishukone hard-on.
Probably in the same way one did with Games Workshop and their Matt Ward hard-on: ignoring completely and enjoying the other aspects of their IP that were fun. ;)
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So it looks like some of you can suck it up and continue to take TonyG's Ishukone hard-on.
Probably in the same way one did with Games Workshop and their Matt Ward hard-on: ignoring completely and enjoying the other aspects of their IP that were fun. ;)
Ohhhhhh burn!
I was reading a wikipedia or something for one of the "chans", and it was talking about Matt Ward and all the crazy weird stuff he did. I've never gotten into Warhammer outside the Relic video game, so it was interesting to note similarities.
Mostly that no matter what they do, the fans hate them. In fact, I think all fiction is like that. So it doesn't really matter what CCP does, there will always be people who don't like it and call it crap.
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Mostly that no matter what they do, the fans hate them. In fact, I think all fiction is like that. So it doesn't really matter what CCP does, there will always be people who don't like it and call it crap.
Oh, I'd agree with you, we all have different tastes after all. However, I don't find Ishukone as player crap, as much as generic in regards to the State. By that I mean all the other Megacorporations to me have a sense of soul and character, a certain subculture to add to the Caldari State.
Kaalakiota, the powerful genuine patriots who combine a true love for the Caldari people with fierce pride who value military and economic strength.
Wiyrkomi, the staunch traditionalists that are still led by the Seituoda family in an almost modern feudal Raata corporate culture that values loyalty, courage, and determination.
Lai Dai, whose very name means, "Never Forget" the quiet and dignified academics, the nationalist-romantics motivated by a deep sense of respect for the past.
Sukuuvestaa, the ruthless and the proud who were sharpened and forged in the harshness of countless frontier colonial projects where truly only the strong could survive.
Nugoeihuvei, the shady "legitimate businessmen" who exist and thrive in the dubious grey and black markets just like the Caldari smugglers and organized crime lords did before them.
CBD, the merchants and rogue traders that built a commercial empire in their common interest and who expand the frontiers of State trade with a savvy smile and an open mind.
Hyasyoda, whose history extends deep into the past and whose success lies in caution, in planning, secrets and information brokering.
For me, all the Megas but Ishukone have this sense of soul and culture to them. Ishukone is like the Caldari version of Quafe -- it's all about slick advertising and effective marketing to the point it might as well just be the shell for an advertising company. All style and no substance. It gets all the news, the Ishukone uniforms, the Ishukone Scorpions and all the air time that it's almost like a modern RL corporation - you just buy into the brand and image. Yet that brand and image just doesn't impress that same sense of purpose and conviction the other Megacorps. possess in the PF and in the game. It's like the Apple version of the Caldari, you get a lot of awesome advertising and products that are stylish, modern, and sleek but in the end you just paid a premium for not much at all over the competition.
If that's what people seem to enjoy then certainly they are by all means welcome to buy Ishukone, it's just I as a player choose not to. ;)
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XKCD Perry Bible Fellowship strip: http://pbfcomics.com/20/
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Mostly that no matter what they do, the fans hate them. In fact, I think all fiction is like that. So it doesn't really matter what CCP does, there will always be people who don't like it and call it crap.
This. People forget three important things when it comes to the fiction, especially novels:
1) PF is PF, no matter how much you dislike it. It has to be a literal contradiction for the community to have an argument for dismissing something that CCP authorized. 2) There are huge amounts of people that find it interesting, despite the loud detractors. Yes, those who hated the novels have done a very good job shouting down anyone who uses them as sources - but again, canon is canon. 3) We are not building this world, it is not our world. It is is CCP's. Players over estimate their importance by massive amounts.
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Mostly that no matter what they do, the fans hate them. In fact, I think all fiction is like that. So it doesn't really matter what CCP does, there will always be people who don't like it and call it crap.
... However, I don't find Ishukone as player crap, as much as generic in regards to the State. By that I mean all the other Megacorporations to me have a sense of soul and character, a certain subculture to add to the Caldari State. ...
Actually, the element I find most engaging about Ishu is that it's one of the dirtier Megas; between Crieliere, TCMCs, and Gariushi's origin within the Guristas, it's perfectly willing to do the unpalatable. I get a tone of 'anything for the corp, anything for the worker' from it that is often dressed up in populist talk, but is also at some level anti- or perhaps better said as non-State. By this, I don't mean that Ishu seeks the dissolution of the State -- rather, that it's a somewhat practically-minded liberal corp, but its practical focus isn't at the state/corp level so much as the corp/worker level.
To be honest, Veik, I suspect a lot of your Ishuhate is because you conflate Ishukone with a lot of modern memes that you dislike -- for instance, that comment you made New Age Caldari for Ishu. wat. I don't even.
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Ishukone was said to have started (and remained) a caldari company focused on high tech and high end research. I always imagined it very tech savvy, and Crielere, Insorum mass tests in live, were no exception to the rule.
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To be honest, Veik, I suspect a lot of your Ishuhate is because you conflate Ishukone with a lot of modern memes that you dislike -- for instance, that comment you made New Age Caldari for Ishu. wat. I don't even.
It's less hate and more an ambivalence. Ishukone to me is the CCP marketing darling, because it has the easy sell of being, "Nice guys". It's reached the point where anything to do with it now engenders a response of, "Meh. Another typical Ishukone piece where the completely expected occurs. Cool story, I guess." There was a time when I started RP and you had groups like Omerta Syndicate that were Ishukone aligned but also willing to build on the darker, more pragmatic aspects of Caldari corporatism but to me that's well in the past.
At this point in time, simply due to the fact that Ishukone gets so much exposure by CCP to the point that it's become one of the stereotypical aspects of the Caldari if you don't know much about them. It's become in my mind the almost Mary-Sue Megacorp. The one chosen if you don't know much about the State or want to be the cliche, "Nice guy Caldari" like CCP and Tony G have presented Ishukone over the past 5-6 years.
Now that's my perception, and while it certainly doesn't apply as a hard and fast rule but generally all things being equal if I see two Caldari characters and one says they're Ishukone and the other not, I'll tend to focus on the character that didn't choose Ishukone because they have not raised the red flag of, "Probably a special and unique snowflake" in my mind. It's the same rule for deploying the pole of do-not-want when a character says they were in the, "Super elite special forces graduating top of the class" of the Caldari Navy.
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In other words, you jelly.
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In other words, you jelly.
Totes jelly.
I love it when CCP marketing makes fiction guidelines. Like the Sansha incursions of forever invading forever.
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I would say something about this, but I am pretty sure there are at least two full threads of this discussion already in this forum.
It should be sufficient to say that I agree with some things you said, and don't agree with other things you said.
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It is a meta brand marketing thing (literally, the metagame of EVE's lore in relation to people outside of the game who don' know the lore for brand recognition of EVE Online), same way only certain Amarr houses ever get mentioned and people forget that Khanid are "evil Amarr" who enslave Gallente pop stars as sex slaves. Because the generic view is Amarr are evil, so how can there be an evil Amarr? This implies good Amarrians and rar slaves cotton the south rar rar rar...
Therefore let's ignore they exist.
And props to anyone who still plays anything remotely associated with the Ammatar Mandate. Serious props.
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Brand-wise, I get the impression that CCP spun up vanity goods for basically all major factions/corps, and Marketing just happened to seize on Ishu instead of KK-- though isn't the free vanity Heron with sign-ups a Sukuuvesta-skinned Heron?
Anywho. I'm currently going through news items and tagging them for faction, so that I can get an estimate of relative news. Currently, it looks like Caldari are the big winners, mostly because of Heth, while Gallente > Minmatar > Amarr. I'll hopefully have numbers by the end of the afternoon.
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I wonder if someday they will issue an Ammatar Fleet ship of some kind...
Bleh, don't bother. If they do it's gonna be something probably as useless as the faction itself.
And props to anyone who still plays anything remotely associated with the Ammatar Mandate. Serious props.
Lol, those useless, spineless race traitor slaving backstabbers...
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Veik has a point that TonyG did focus on using Ishukone as the "Good Guys" in the novels, and tended to throw in things much opposed to what was previously established PF. He even contradicted his own PF by portraying Gariushi as a bleeding heart in The Empyrean Age, compared to the slick-rick scheming bastard he was in the Creliere story. He followed it up by making Reppola seem more like an emotionally withered man completely unsuited for the job of CEO, despite being a career executive beforehand.
But perhaps it only seems so in comparison to Gariushi, widely credited as one of Ishukone's greatest. Especially when compared to one of the greatest Chief Executives in Caldari history: Kaalakiota's Hatakaan Oiritsuu. It may in fact be that a vast majority Caldari CEOs are comparable to Mens Reppola, while people like Gariushi and Oiritsuu are the stuff of legend because they are so ridiculously rare.
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If there's one think that made Ishukone stand out to me so far, and I barely catch the news as it goes by, it's that I don't always associate them with the state. The other corps probably don't deserve me just shrugging and figuring they're all a distinct flavor in the mush, but that's how it is. It might just be that I've always found Ishukone players to be a lot more dynamic and fluid, so I suppose they tend to rise above the static a bit more often.
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If there's one think that made Ishukone stand out to me so far, and I barely catch the news as it goes by, it's that I don't always associate them with the state.
Hence the problem.
What Ishukone needs is more underhanded tactics that screw over the Federation like Creliere, and less white-knighting in the news.
Caldari Prime is the perfect opportunity for Ishukone to be "accused" for "alleged" shenanigans. Messing with Gallente Districts, forcing unfair trade practices, poaching workers from across the side, spy games, widespread censorship of all Gallentean media that tries to cross the border, etc. The Federation could respond by attempting sanctions or prosecution only to find they are illegal sanctions because Ishukone are playing within the laws of the Federation and cannot be sanctioned or prosecuted for being unfairly good at it.
The Caldari Prime situation has the potential to be an East/West Germany situation on a planetary scale. Instead of Ishukone simply getting along and being totes friendly with everybody, Ishukone needs to be sucking money and freedom out of the Gallentean districts by doing arcane business/political stuff. The entire purpose of Caldari Liberals is for them to get close with the Federation and screw them over at their own game under their own laws. Rather than simply (or obviously) breaking Federation laws and hiding behind the legal shield of the entire State like the Practicals, Liberals simply screw them over legally or quasi-legally through a mixture of means and hide behind the Federation's legal shield.
Take the Intaki Agreement for example. It was a huge sucker punch for the Federation, seeing their Navy fleet turned away because Ishukone convinced the locals that they were the better option. The Federation couldn't do a damn thing about it either, because it was all completely legal.
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Veik has a point that TonyG did focus on using Ishukone as the "Good Guys" in the novels, and tended to throw in things much opposed to what was previously established PF. He even contradicted his own PF by portraying Gariushi as a bleeding heart in The Empyrean Age, compared to the slick-rick scheming bastard he was in the Creliere story. He followed it up by making Reppola seem more like an emotionally withered man completely unsuited for the job of CEO, despite being a career executive beforehand.
But perhaps it only seems so in comparison to Gariushi, widely credited as one of Ishukone's greatest. Especially when compared to one of the greatest Chief Executives in Caldari history: Kaalakiota's Hatakaan Oiritsuu. It may in fact be that a vast majority Caldari CEOs are comparable to Mens Reppola, while people like Gariushi and Oiritsuu are the stuff of legend because they are so ridiculously rare.
I think the issue is that prior to Tony G it felt like that Ishukone only played nice with the foreigners because it was PR that they didn't actually believe in. For Caldari that seems appropriate and in-line with their thinking: screwing over the fucking foreigners with a smiling face while you stab them in the back for your own benefit? Admirable cunning right there. It was a sort of unspoken aspect of: "We Caldari know what you're doing Ishukone but those blind idealists don't. Good job." With Tony G and into today, the impression that's given is that Ishukone actually believes their own propaganda of being nice, friendly, and seeking win/win scenarios with non-Caldari - sometimes to their own detriment.
I mean in terms of domestic politics, it could be seen that Ishukone has survived by playing upon the partisanship and conflict between KK/Patriots and SuVee/Practicals in the CEP and that so long as they're both focused on each other then Ishukone and the Liberals can exist in the space between. Right now however, it looks like Ishukone has managed to shaft KK by leaving them out in the cold with their deals with the Federation forcing them to have to sort out the mess of the war and the blind auction debacle in addition to potentially causing SuVee to look at the profitability of its territorial deals with the Intaki and its ownership of Caldari Prime (also by making deals with the Fed) as Ishukone moving into its traditional portfolio.
The Caldari Megas are more than willing to screw each other over, but that's usually one at a time, and Ishukone having broken ranks to negotiate their own terms with the Fed for their own benefit and advantage looks like it's also managed to screw over practically everyone else in the State that still have to foot the bills for the war and find themselves with lost trade opportunities abroad.
It might or might not be significant that not a single other Megacorp. CEO provided commentary on something as stated to have been significant as the Malkalen attack in the current article. Not even Hyasyoda that in the past usually did.
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I think the issue is that prior to Tony G it felt like that Ishukone only played nice with the foreigners because it was PR that they didn't actually believe in. For Caldari that seems appropriate and in-line with their thinking: screwing over the fucking foreigners with a smiling face while you stab them in the back for your own benefit? Admirable cunning right there. It was a sort of unspoken aspect of: "We Caldari know what you're doing Ishukone but those blind idealists don't. Good job." With Tony G and into today, the impression that's given is that Ishukone actually believes their own propaganda of being nice, friendly, and seeking win/win scenarios with non-Caldari - sometimes to their own detriment.
I mean in terms of domestic politics, it could be seen that Ishukone has survived by playing upon the partisanship and conflict between KK/Patriots and SuVee/Practicals in the CEP and that so long as they're both focused on each other then Ishukone and the Liberals can exist in the space between. Right now however, it looks like Ishukone has managed to shaft KK by leaving them out in the cold with their deals with the Federation forcing them to have to sort out the mess of the war and the blind auction debacle in addition to potentially causing SuVee to look at the profitability of its territorial deals with the Intaki and its ownership of Caldari Prime (also by making deals with the Fed) as Ishukone moving into its traditional portfolio.
The Caldari Megas are more than willing to screw each other over, but that's usually one at a time, and Ishukone having broken ranks to negotiate their own terms with the Fed for their own benefit and advantage looks like it's also managed to screw over practically everyone else in the State that still have to foot the bills for the war and find themselves with lost trade opportunities abroad.
I think my suggestions could be the saving grace for what you describe right there. It's still possible to salvage the situation by making it look like the entire thing was just a ploy to gain the Federation's trust again. A few token gestures to the "Reconstruction" effort for the war would also be appreciated. Now that Heth is gone, I think it is time for Ishukone to consider coming back to the dysfunctional household and resolving differences. They no longer need to be the Black Sheep if the cards are played correctly.
It might or might not be significant that not a single other Megacorp. CEO provided commentary on something as stated to have been significant as the Malkalen attack in the current article. Not even Hyasyoda that in the past usually did.
Color me curious as to what you're thinking.
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Color me curious as to what you're thinking.
Was it ever revealed what happened with that disappearing Ishukone Watch Scorpion over Caldari Prime or how exactly the Gurista managed to abscond with an Ishukone owned Freighter? There's a few loose ends involving Ishukone deals with the Fed and others against Heth like that still unresolved and maybe the Highlander leaks about Caldari management colluding with the FIO are the beginning of their resolution?
Who knows really, just idle speculation on my part.
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Ishuscorp showed up in a capsuleer's hangar.
IIRC the person who won some poker tournament at Fanfest 2012? I don't remember exactly.
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Veik has a point that TonyG did focus on using Ishukone as the "Good Guys" in the novels, and tended to throw in things much opposed to what was previously established PF. He even contradicted his own PF by portraying Gariushi as a bleeding heart in The Empyrean Age, compared to the slick-rick scheming bastard he was in the Creliere story. He followed it up by making Reppola seem more like an emotionally withered man completely unsuited for the job of CEO, despite being a career executive beforehand.
But perhaps it only seems so in comparison to Gariushi, widely credited as one of Ishukone's greatest. Especially when compared to one of the greatest Chief Executives in Caldari history: Kaalakiota's Hatakaan Oiritsuu. It may in fact be that a vast majority Caldari CEOs are comparable to Mens Reppola, while people like Gariushi and Oiritsuu are the stuff of legend because they are so ridiculously rare.
I think the issue is that prior to Tony G it felt like that Ishukone only played nice with the foreigners because it was PR that they didn't actually believe in. For Caldari that seems appropriate and in-line with their thinking: screwing over the fucking foreigners with a smiling face while you stab them in the back for your own benefit? Admirable cunning right there. It was a sort of unspoken aspect of: "We Caldari know what you're doing Ishukone but those blind idealists don't. Good job." With Tony G and into today, the impression that's given is that Ishukone actually believes their own propaganda of being nice, friendly, and seeking win/win scenarios with non-Caldari - sometimes to their own detriment.
I mean in terms of domestic politics, it could be seen that Ishukone has survived by playing upon the partisanship and conflict between KK/Patriots and SuVee/Practicals in the CEP and that so long as they're both focused on each other then Ishukone and the Liberals can exist in the space between. Right now however, it looks like Ishukone has managed to shaft KK by leaving them out in the cold with their deals with the Federation forcing them to have to sort out the mess of the war and the blind auction debacle in addition to potentially causing SuVee to look at the profitability of its territorial deals with the Intaki and its ownership of Caldari Prime (also by making deals with the Fed) as Ishukone moving into its traditional portfolio.
The Caldari Megas are more than willing to screw each other over, but that's usually one at a time, and Ishukone having broken ranks to negotiate their own terms with the Fed for their own benefit and advantage looks like it's also managed to screw over practically everyone else in the State that still have to foot the bills for the war and find themselves with lost trade opportunities abroad.
It might or might not be significant that not a single other Megacorp. CEO provided commentary on something as stated to have been significant as the Malkalen attack in the current article. Not even Hyasyoda that in the past usually did.
Thats how I saw the liberal bloc as well. I mean like you and Kat. As mention here (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=4260.msg67349#msg67349). So I totally agree with both of you.
I think the issue is that prior to Tony G it felt like that Ishukone only played nice with the foreigners because it was PR that they didn't actually believe in. For Caldari that seems appropriate and in-line with their thinking: screwing over the fucking foreigners with a smiling face while you stab them in the back for your own benefit? Admirable cunning right there. It was a sort of unspoken aspect of: "We Caldari know what you're doing Ishukone but those blind idealists don't. Good job." With Tony G and into today, the impression that's given is that Ishukone actually believes their own propaganda of being nice, friendly, and seeking win/win scenarios with non-Caldari - sometimes to their own detriment.
I mean in terms of domestic politics, it could be seen that Ishukone has survived by playing upon the partisanship and conflict between KK/Patriots and SuVee/Practicals in the CEP and that so long as they're both focused on each other then Ishukone and the Liberals can exist in the space between. Right now however, it looks like Ishukone has managed to shaft KK by leaving them out in the cold with their deals with the Federation forcing them to have to sort out the mess of the war and the blind auction debacle in addition to potentially causing SuVee to look at the profitability of its territorial deals with the Intaki and its ownership of Caldari Prime (also by making deals with the Fed) as Ishukone moving into its traditional portfolio.
The Caldari Megas are more than willing to screw each other over, but that's usually one at a time, and Ishukone having broken ranks to negotiate their own terms with the Fed for their own benefit and advantage looks like it's also managed to screw over practically everyone else in the State that still have to foot the bills for the war and find themselves with lost trade opportunities abroad.
I think my suggestions could be the saving grace for what you describe right there. It's still possible to salvage the situation by making it look like the entire thing was just a ploy to gain the Federation's trust again. A few token gestures to the "Reconstruction" effort for the war would also be appreciated. Now that Heth is gone, I think it is time for Ishukone to consider coming back to the dysfunctional household and resolving differences. They no longer need to be the Black Sheep if the cards are played correctly.
It might or might not be significant that not a single other Megacorp. CEO provided commentary on something as stated to have been significant as the Malkalen attack in the current article. Not even Hyasyoda that in the past usually did.
Color me curious as to what you're thinking.
Uff hard to do, because it had been done alot of damage. On the other hand the Immersion team had saved/reworded already other stuff from the books. By the way which is a harder task to do as it sounds, so my hand and love goes to the immersion team; for the work they could pull of in some cases. Nevertheless, this is a case where I could think, I IS POSSIBLE TO DO. MEANING to explain the past behavior and motivations. Will think about it, If I come up with something I maybe make a new thread.
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It is a meta brand marketing thing (literally, the metagame of EVE's lore in relation to people outside of the game who don' know the lore for brand recognition of EVE Online), same way only certain Amarr houses ever get mentioned and people forget that Khanid are "evil Amarr" who enslave Gallente pop stars as sex slaves. Because the generic view is Amarr are evil, so how can there be an evil Amarr? This implies good Amarrians and rar slaves cotton the south rar rar rar...
Therefore let's ignore they exist.
And props to anyone who still plays anything remotely associated with the Ammatar Mandate. Serious props.
Me too. I think I ones gave kisses and hugs for Lyn for doing so (playing in the Ammatar faction). As for the Khanid Kingdom, I see it like you. Actually every Amarr RP should be happy that they exist.... to point fingers and say.... they are even worse. :D (and they arent a part of use. *cough*). Minmatar listen. They -- the Khanids -- dont fight for your individual salvation. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Slavery#Societal_View_2
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Ishuscorp showed up in a capsuleer's hangar.
IIRC the person who won some poker tournament at Fanfest 2012? I don't remember exactly.
Yes, that rings a vague bell. I guess it was space magic \o/
Some days I wonder what's the actual point to the in-game news articles anymore if it's just there for marketing or patch-day theme tie-ins. :psyccp:
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...people forget that Khanid are "evil Amarr" who enslave Gallente pop stars as sex slaves. Because the generic view is Amarr are evil, so how can there be an evil Amarr? This implies good Amarrians and rar slaves cotton the south rar rar rar...
Therefore let's ignore they exist.
Which is great if you play a Khanid PC.
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...people forget that Khanid are "evil Amarr" who enslave Gallente pop stars as sex slaves. Because the generic view is Amarr are evil, so how can there be an evil Amarr? This implies good Amarrians and rar slaves cotton the south rar rar rar...
Therefore let's ignore they exist.
Which is great if you play a Khanid PC.
Yup, pretty much. Though Capsuleers are generally more "worldly" in clusterwide viewpoints, they weren't born 'enlightened'.
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I wonder if someday they will issue an Ammatar Fleet ship of some kind...
Bleh, don't bother. If they do it's gonna be something probably as useless as the faction itself.
The skin looks great. I would love to see those ships. Or at least have the skin available in the Nex-shop. The Kador-skin looked also really nice (the skin was black, and it had blue lights.).