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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE Character Development => Topic started by: Makkal on 17 Sep 2013, 13:15
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My PC is just treading water.
I know you've all been there, so what did you do?
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I know you've spoken at least once that Makkal's goals are to rise in the ranks of I-RED. I am still willing to assist you with that, and give you the slow climb. If I-RED isn't doing it for you, there are other options out there that may give you what you seek. No hard feelings if you feel the wanderlust.
If you just need something to keep you going, I do have a few things Kat is working on. Firstly, I'm looking for an RP buddy to help Kat with her planetary salvage stuff she's doing. It's pretty much just my playing the game Hardware: Shipbreakers in my head. Makkal could get her first command (and promotion) that lands her in charge of a group of teams. I dunno.
The answer to your question is simple enough. Do something. Start some RP, or join some RP. Don't sit still.
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My PC is just treading water.
I know you've all been there, so what did you do?
I'm not entirely sure of the question,but if I read Kat's post right you've reached a bit of a wall in the things to do category> Kat has some good points with finding something to do in his post. It's usually better if you go find it as opposed to waiting for something to happen. Also maybe logging in a little less and concentrating on other hobbies or games ( or in my case getting a bit more sleep lol) has helped me many times over my EVE career.
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Capsuleers, as a group, are arguably going nuts. Mostly, this is just OOC passing for IC for most of capsuleerdom, but it doesn't have to be that way. And you don't have to routinely act bonkers to be ... a bit bonkers. Playing a capsuleer as somewhat a victim of her own whimsy permits a lot of flexibility. Aria murdered her own grandfather, for instance, and it wasn't a cold-blooded killing; it was an impulse she didn't have enough lingering empathy to suppress.
I recommend Edgar Allen Poe's "The Imp of the Perverse" for inspiration.
Alternatively, keep an eye out for people with nifty ideas that will almost surely fail. Water them, and see whether they grow. This is how Aria got involved in SYNE, among other things.
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I know you've all been there, so what did you do?
Found something I liked about the game that made me happy, threw myself into it, never looked back. Found my way back to RP a couple times. Left the game a few times, and now I can't play due to finances and the fact that my computer got ruined a couple months back due to flooding.
If it weren't for that, I'd be building my new corp up and mining my little heart out right now instead of playing Star Trek Online and writing a really kick-ass backstory for an Augment who, after years of going unnoticed in Starfleet, has finally been found out (and must deal with his fellow officers feeling betrayed and scared) for my fleet's Starbase RP on Saturday. :D
Do what's fun for you, whatever that may be, and within reason.
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Makkal, I feel you. I have to admit that the whole dynamic of the game has changed now that my spare time is precious. I still love fleeting and RPing with my Pyre bros, but when they're sleeping due to timezones there isn't much pulling me into Eve at the moment.
:(
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Right now I'm writing up drafts to create more offline RP via mail/forums for busy type people who have jobs. Tied into that is trying to build up Pyre Falcon into a well fleshed out fictional entity in its own right to hang arcs on to for the sole benefit of its own members and hopefully delivers some degree of story driven organizational RP for characters to interact as part of it.
Much of this because I realized trying to RP among the masses threatens to give me a full blown metastasized brain tumour due to sheer derp levels. I asked myself where I had the most enjoyable RP and to be honest it was in a small group where there's high levels of rapport and people actually recognize the need for some quality assurance.
Yeah, I guess what I'm aiming for is some kind of RP version of a small and cozy alley/basement bar that doesn't advertise itself but is in fact full of Caldari patriot hipsters being hip.
Then at least I can get drunk and just RP by pew pew'ing things without feeling guilty. :lol:
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So many +1's.
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I started playing Sim3 again last night.
... wait, that doesn't answer the question, does it.
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I have stopped playing the game for one or two years now. I just log to speak with people, friends, or for RP.
Before that I had a time when I still played quite regularly, but I was mostly still ingame for RP too.
After one or 2 years on the game, which is already huge in itself, I started to get bored by the gameplay alone. RP was the only way to carry on.
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I have stopped playing the game for one or two years now. I just log to speak with people, friends, or for RP.
Before that I had a time when I still played quite regularly, but I was mostly still ingame for RP too.
After one or 2 years on the game, which is already huge in itself, I started to get bored by the gameplay alone. RP was the only way to carry on.
Honestly, RP is the one thing that has kept me subbed as long as I have been, looking at my history. Before that the next longest time period was talking shop with the Exploration crowd, but even that got stagnant. You can only link Overseer effects and C-Type mods so long before it gets sort of meh.
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/me uses his smooth radio voice: "And this one goes out to Makkal."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fu6dABbfMg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fu6dABbfMg)
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Totally feel you. I've probably spent more time unsubbed than subbed with various characters since '03 or '04.
A few ideas:
* Find an enemy. Someone to hunt, or to harass, or to play against.
* Give yourself a challenge. Alright, so you've been flying with I-RED in gangs. What about leading a small gang? Or grabbing some RPers you like and haring off with them? Alliances or corps can structure play, but structure can be either stifling or liberating-- you need to know when it's which.
* Do it yourself. Whatever it is. Something difficult. Everything difficult. Right now, I've got a new capital-- so I'm trying to figure out how to do booster production. Those complexes in nullsec are difficult, and often deep in sov null.
* Don't be afraid to unsubscribe. But do follow the EVE news, or science fiction news, or read science fiction novels, or watch science fiction movies. Elysium? Oblivion? Not great, but they give me the itch.
* Read the old chronicles. The OLD ones. I reread Jovian Wet Grave the other day. The writing wasn't amazing-- probably written by an Icelander? --but it was engaging, and brought back ideas that we forget after having played. (What's it like to be in a sensory deprivation tank the first time? To accidentally swallow the goo? To worry about what happens if seawater gets in the implant ports while it's healing?)
Anywho. Hope things look up for you. Feel free to pester me for /emotes or pew.
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My PC is just treading water.
I know you've all been there, so what did you do?
Became a pirate.
At more length, I was confronted with an IC decision that was perhaps 60:40, and I took the 40 because it was more interesting to me OOC.
Is it possible that you've become a little conservative? RPing with the same people all the time (which can be fine, but sometimes gets stale), unwilling to take IC risks or (particularly) make IC mistakes?
It's easy to do that - I've done it myself, many times. I get so close to the character that I hurt myself OOCly (in the sense of boredom, not in the sense of Trent Reznor) to prevent hurt to the character.
So, my advice is change things up, as Makoto suggests, get some new goals. Find the dissatisfaction within your character and focus in on it.
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Anyone who's known me IC for a while will know that it's dangerous when I get bored. Things go off the deep end. Morwen's griped at me many a time for my version of 'making things interesting'.
Bottom line is really what Laria said. If you're feeling unmotivated, unsatisfied, or other un-words, leap out of the box and start chewing concepts until one squeaks pleasingly. Or something. We've interacted in the past, but both played things pretty close to the chest, so I have no specific suggestions... but there are some lurking subtexts that I've seen that could be worth chasing up on and exploiting.
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What everyone said about doing stuff OOC?...do that, all of that. Toss aside the RP for a bit and think what you the person want to do in Eve that's always seemed fun to you. Once found, DO THAT THING. RP shouldn't block game play avenues or fun. Mold your RP around your game play style, not the other way around. You might find some interesting twists and turns occur for RP goodness.
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What I do outside of RP:
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Directors traditionally NEVER log in.
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Seriously, if your RP is getting stale, do what I do. Start of a close, personal RP that you can do in chats while you play the rest of the game. Sometimes, if you're not getting anything going, it's because the community is defibrillating. What you need to do is get into a one-on-one situation and turn in, getting a deeper examination of the character. That way, you can develop a few new wrinkles and sometimes change the entire nature of the character.
That's important. You don't want to do a complete heel turn, but characters should be as multidimensional as people. Sometimes, that's hard to develop in big group RP. Parse it down and just write a story with one or two other people that puts your character in a new situation they haven't been in before.
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99% of Arista's actual RP is one one one or very tiny groups. Everywhere else she is windowdressing because she is not the type of character who causes scenes in public.
:Amarr:
And it IS deep. She's "accidentallied" a few people (truly accidentally, just by me RPing what she is) and caused changes in their behaviors, opinions, etc that have stuck.
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My PC is just treading water.
I know you've all been there, so what did you do?
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I approve of this message. I miss playing Wounded Bird. (or thee other less polite term, bait-bitch).
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My PC is just treading water.
I know you've all been there, so what did you do?
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I too F everything and plunder Amarrian strategic assets.
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What everyone said about doing stuff OOC?...do that, all of that. Toss aside the RP for a bit and think what you the person want to do in Eve that's always seemed fun to you. Once found, DO THAT THING. RP shouldn't block game play avenues or fun. Mold your RP around your game play style, not the other way around. You might find some interesting twists and turns occur for RP goodness.
That is possibly the best piece of advice I've seen in here. +1
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This is highly recommended. Some of the best times I've had in EVE RP related or not were as a pirate. If its way too big of a stretch to become a pirate then join an active anti-pirate group. IMO piracy is a bit more fun, but its also fun to ride the moral high ground sometimes too. ;)
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My PC is just treading water.
I know you've all been there, so what did you do?
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Not empty quoting.
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I believe in the healing power of violence.
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Meh. Is that the best we can really do with immortality? It's a bit sad, really, innit? Bubble up around a gate and wait for some chump to try to warp to zero or, if you work FW space, fit out a huge bunch of cockbag sebo-arty Thrashers and camp Ichoriya/Akidagi?
I mean, it's a lifestyle choice and all that. There's nothing wrong with violencing somebody's spaceboat, but I kinda wish, from an RP angle, I could be doing something productive and constructive. Like, FW was sort of silly before Caldari Prime, but now - what happs? There kinda isn't a rationale for it.
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RP'ers invade Null.
That'd go well... :bash:
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Rp'ers 'invade' null, it's just that we're too small a percentage of the game to form even a reasonably sized corporation, I think. :(
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Rp'ers 'invade' null, it's just that we're too small a percentage of the game to form even a reasonably sized corporation, I think. :(
^ exactly.
Plus we'd be too busy having parties to adequately defend any space.
Would be an interesting thing to see. A CONCORD-esque coalition of empire-loyalists carving out some space and dividing it up. Infighting but still working against the .... crazy... people of the fringes.
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What everyone said about doing stuff OOC?...do that, all of that. Toss aside the RP for a bit and think what you the person want to do in Eve that's always seemed fun to you. Once found, DO THAT THING. RP shouldn't block game play avenues or fun. Mold your RP around your game play style, not the other way around. You might find some interesting twists and turns occur for RP goodness.
I agree, try to find a good OOC path that sounds "fun" and then adapt you RP after that. A good piece of advice +1.
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Rp'ers 'invade' null, it's just that we're too small a percentage of the game to form even a reasonably sized corporation, I think. :(
I like to think we are many enough, but to get all those RP views to fitt into a coalition of RPers is a tricky one (if not impossible) :s
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Meh. Is that the best we can really do with immortality? It's a bit sad, really, innit? Bubble up around a gate and wait for some chump to try to warp to zero or, if you work FW space, fit out a huge bunch of cockbag sebo-arty Thrashers and camp Ichoriya/Akidagi?
I mean, it's a lifestyle choice and all that. There's nothing wrong with violencing somebody's spaceboat, but I kinda wish, from an RP angle, I could be doing something productive and constructive. Like, FW was sort of silly before Caldari Prime, but now - what happs? There kinda isn't a rationale for it.
Dude, that ain't piracy. That's being an incompetent lazy shit ruining the term pirate for the rest of us.
Then again Piracy as I loved and knew it is dead, there's no proper hunt, no ransoming - or honoring that ransom - and keeping a ransom board and being proud of it. It's all instalockers, OGBs and titanbridges now.
... And Condors, the main choice for the otherwise incompetent now that Dramiel is nerfed.
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Actually the Dramiel seems to be the choice of the kind of person I'm told used to fly a Dramiel.
Although we do enjoy our Kondorschwarm in Pyre.
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Meh. Is that the best we can really do with immortality? It's a bit sad, really, innit? Bubble up around a gate and wait for some chump to try to warp to zero or, if you work FW space, fit out a huge bunch of cockbag sebo-arty Thrashers and camp Ichoriya/Akidagi?
I mean, it's a lifestyle choice and all that. There's nothing wrong with violencing somebody's spaceboat, but I kinda wish, from an RP angle, I could be doing something productive and constructive. Like, FW was sort of silly before Caldari Prime, but now - what happs? There kinda isn't a rationale for it.
Dude, that ain't piracy. That's being an incompetent lazy shit ruining the term pirate for the rest of us.
Then again Piracy as I loved and knew it is dead, there's no proper hunt, no ransoming - or honoring that ransom - and keeping a ransom board and being proud of it. It's all instalockers, OGBs and titanbridges now.
... And Condors, the main choice for the otherwise incompetent now that Dramiel is nerfed.
Emphasis added is mine.
I totally agree with Vince. That aint piracy. I would love to see a return to that type of playstyle, but short of going out there alone to do it I doubt I'd see it.
On RPers invading null: I think we could pull it off if we all rolled new chars or something and had a unified rp approach or if something drastic happened and all the RPers decided to oh I dunno go fuck up Goonswarm or something. I imagine we have the numbers to fill a decent sized corp if not make a pretty decent alliance when counting RPers that dont actively participate in the Backstage/Summit communities yet still RP and perhaps lurk here.
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Although we do enjoy our Kondorschwarm in Pyre.
I smirked when I read this, you relinquished just all and every right to make snide remarks about instalockers, gatecampers and smartbombers. :yar:
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Yeah, you'll have to explain that. Anyone who flies things like Dramiels, Daredevils or Cynabals makes me chuckle when they claim that the Condor is OP.
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What everyone said about doing stuff OOC?...do that, all of that. Toss aside the RP for a bit and think what you the person want to do in Eve that's always seemed fun to you. Once found, DO THAT THING. RP shouldn't block game play avenues or fun. Mold your RP around your game play style, not the other way around. You might find some interesting twists and turns occur for RP goodness.
I can attest to this. Grew bored of EvE myself at a time, feeling I was at a dead end with RP as well. Then I decided to do something with this little hamstering addiction of mine and start up a personal RP project around collecting Civilians. With this as lead, I can do alot tbh gamewise & RP wise.
Do'nt ask what you can do for your RP, ask what RP can do for your playstyle.
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Yeah, you'll have to explain that. Anyone who flies things like Dramiels, Daredevils or Cynabals makes me chuckle when they claim that the Condor is OP.
Condors are just as lame as the instalockers you bitch about. All about the easy, effortless kill. Thus you enter as the pot in the "pot and kettle" equation.
Do you understand now, or do I need to draw you a picture too?
As for the topic of Angel ships, they've been toned down somewhat from their height of excellence. Still you would expect a frigate that costs 50-110mil just the hull to deliver a considerably more bang than the one that's dime a dozen at the corner market - such as the Condor, where if you actually lose one it's not an effort to replace.
While my op wasn't about you...
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PS. I don't fly Dramiles, DD's or Cynabals so your point is kind of moot and you only look a bit silly. Guess I hit a bit too close to home. :lol:
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Oh my? Did *I* say you flew those ships? No?
I'd continue but I'm afraid you wouldn't hear me over the sound of being hoist by your own petard. Sorry I can't be arsed to find a picture of Morgan Freeman for you.
Now since I can't spare the effort of ritually wrestling Vincent to the ground to force an actual explanation from him (as is traditional in bittervet circles), can a GROWN-UP explain why what seems like a run-of-the-mill T1 frigate hull to this newbie is so overpowered? Compared, I mean, to hulls like the Tristan and the Atron (the Atron seems like a counterpart to the Condor imo, since it also does the cheapfit kitey thing, whilst the Tristan seems like a Merlin with five drones - and I wouldn't go NEAR one in a Condor if I was solo.)
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All kiters are a pain in the ass to deal with, although there are ways to face them. There is a massive difference between jumping into an instalock camp and fighting a kiter. The later gives you the chance to see what's coming (condor on dscan - shouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be MWDing) and the chance to either chase him off or escape through slingshotting. The camp just means: Blap, you're dead, as every proper ganks.
But you should know this, being a godfather and all that. =)
As far as the Condor goes: I'm not scared of condors. There are worse ships I have to deal with, in equal price ranges.
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Posting to confirm that there is no possible counter to a paper-thin ship that relies on speed and an unbonused TD to stay alive, and that it's a Goddamned travesty that sub-40M hulls are capable of anything at all.