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Title: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Nmaro Makari on 23 Jul 2013, 09:04
!! NOTE !! The following event is currently postponed !! NOTE !!

Greetings all!

It's come time again where The Synenose Accord will host the Seyllin conference. This thread is just to notify people that we are looking for speakers and potentially for admin staff to help in the organizing.


So what is the Seyllin Conference?

SeyCon is an RP meeting hosted by SYNE which takes the form of a conference on important clusterwide events, most with a scientific and analytic angle. Speakers can submit their ideas and at the conference give a 20 minute approx presentation on their topic.

The conference is typically divided into 2 days, typically spread over a weekend, each on a different theme and 3-4 presentations therein.

This year's themes are:
Day 1 - Interstellar Stability (threats to it)
Day 2 - Phenomena and Discovery (scientific endeavors and breakthroughs)

Transcripts for previous conferences can be found under "The Seyllin Conference" section of out site: http://thesynenoseaccord.wordpress.com/ (http://thesynenoseaccord.wordpress.com/)


When is it? Can I come?

We are still in the planning stages, but the event is likely to be in late September-mid October. This may be subject to change.

At present, we have no plans to deny anyone of any faction at least some form of entry pass. This issue will be discussed and clarified later.


I'd Like to make a presentation. What should I do?

Let us know. Either simply announce here in the thread, try to talk to us via SynePublic or private chat, or simply mail one of our directors.

We decide who will present via a committee which will assess each presentation individually. Some topics will get precedence.

However, if you don't manage to get a place this year, we will put you on a shortlist for the next year.


I'm not big on presentations/I have a presentation, but I'd like to help in other ways.

To those who would like to help, we may well require additional channel moderators. You must be someone with a good reputation and/or blue to SYNE in order to take part in this way. Channel mods are expected to be vigilant, proportionate in their response to trouble and swift.

Some of you will be eligible to be part of the body in charge of this event, the Seylin Conference Logistical Committee (SCLC) This is the body that will decide the details of the conference, and who will present. If you're interested, mail me, it can never hurt to ask.

NOTE: If you have a presentation, you cannot also be on the SCLC for this year.

Happy trails!
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Nmaro Makari on 23 Jul 2013, 09:09
Current Members of the Seyllin Conference Logistical Committee:

- The SYNE Directorate
- - Ninavask
- - N'maro Makari
- - Derek Draconis
- - Ollie Rundle
- Morwen Lagann

Current Designated Channel Mods:
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Saede Riordan on 23 Jul 2013, 09:54
Sweet. I'd like to present something.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Katrina Oniseki on 23 Jul 2013, 11:33
I would like to offer some extra hands as channel moderators and NPC staff for the event. I could offer I-RED troops as security, or something less garish. :)
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 23 Jul 2013, 12:05
I'd be available and willing to help out with stuff, as a past SeyCon presenter/organizer.

Not sure I've got the time to write up a presentation, though. :)
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Makoto Priano on 23 Jul 2013, 23:21
Makoto might be keen on heading a round-table on nationalist militarism as a threat to stability and social order. ;) That'd be day one. ;)
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Aelisha Montenagre on 24 Jul 2013, 03:03
As I am actually writing a conference paper IRL, I may as well channel some procrastination in the interests of RP-academia.  Count me in, and I shall send a brief for your perusal asap to see if the proposed topic is on target for this conference.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: AOkazon on 25 Jul 2013, 09:17
Definitely interested, will need a few days to brainstorm a topic.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Saede Riordan on 25 Jul 2013, 13:50
I have a topic. Should I do a full writeup of the entire presentation, or just an outline to submit ahead of time?
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Anslol on 26 Jul 2013, 07:53
Biology? Abstract? Call for papers? Yes? No? SCIENCE?!
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Syagrius on 26 Jul 2013, 22:02
Ohh a symposium! I don't suppose black market economics is a topic... If not I can just set and glare at Anslo.  :eek:
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Synthia on 27 Jul 2013, 02:13
This year's themes are:
Day 1 - Interstellar Stability (threats to it)
Day 2 - Phenomena and Discovery (scientific endeavors and breakthroughs)

We could, possibly, write up some things.

For Day 1 - Outbreaks of Debylian Flu

For Day 2 - Sebiestor Brain Structures. CTCS Crew Replacement Program. Archaelogical Discoveries from the Wombat People. Use of Miniature Robotics in Biological Studies.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Nmaro Makari on 03 Aug 2013, 22:19
Hey all, just wanted to drop by and let you know I'm still alive.

At the moment, there's been a few pressing issues in my work life, send me evemails and I'll get back to you ASAP.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Ollie on 03 Aug 2013, 23:04
Hey all, just wanted to drop by and let you know I'm still alive.

At the moment, there's been a few pressing issues in my work life, send me evemails and I'll get back to you ASAP.

Given that N'maro's become quite busy offline I'll step up and see if I can cover for him at least in the interim. I've already received some of the expressions of interest people have sent in - if you're yet to receive a reply and didn't send them to me directly in the first place, evemail them to me again.

If there's people wanting to help out with the organising committee (SCLC) also send me evemail or throw your hand up on these forums.

Now to specific responses:

We could, possibly, write up some things.

For Day 1 - Outbreaks of Debylian Flu

For Day 2 - Sebiestor Brain Structures. CTCS Crew Replacement Program. Archaelogical Discoveries from the Wombat People. Use of Miniature Robotics in Biological Studies.

Received your expression of interest, still considering it but it looks good. Would you mind writing us a summary of your talk(s) when ready or in draft stage?

Ohh a symposium! I don't suppose black market economics is a topic... If not I can just set and glare at Anslo.  :eek:

Manipulation of black and grey market economics is probably related to the over-arching theme of the first day - if you want to speak at SeyCon on this James, we're more than happy to see what you have to say.

Biology? Abstract? Call for papers? Yes? No? SCIENCE?!

Indeed! Get something together, you beach-hut owning microbiologist you :)

I have a topic. Should I do a full writeup of the entire presentation, or just an outline to submit ahead of time?

Saede, I think I've already got your ideas in a backlog of mail somewhere - will find it and review it, sorry about the tardiness. An outline is fine if you need to get ideas on paper that we can advise on, but we need a full presentation at some point prior to the conference beginning (see below - submission deadlines haven't been formally decided on just yet). Given the IGS postings from Streya earlier this year,  ALXVP's take on transhumanism and what its experience has been in w-space over the last 12 months would fit quite well with the proposed themes for this conference.

AOkazon, Aelisha - looking forward to seeing what you've come up with, evemail me when you've got a idea for what you want to present.

Makoto - I love the idea of a roundtable such as you've proposed. We'd need to get some other panelists and develop a structure for audience interaction, but I think something like this would be interesting and a refreshing change from the format seen in previous SeyCons. I'll need to find those other panelists and twist a few arms on the organising committee of course, but I have a lot of things I can use to coerce co-operation if necessary ....  :twisted:

Morwen - I think you were added to the organising committee about 3.2 seconds after you posted your response :)

Kat - Thanks and we'll be in touch. In an I-RED press conference a while back, you presented some RP'd technology that I-RED was either working or rolling out for sale - something to do with low orbit harvesting from gas planets if my memory's correct. That and some of your other world-building efforts might also be quite interesting to see at SeyCon if there's not some sort of IC reason to keep it hushed up?

I'll try to update as we finalise the format of the conference and make decisions on how we'll run it. For now, I want to reinforce one or two of the points in N'maro's original post.

The date is currently looking like a weekend in late October/first weekend of November. We'll try to keep the window for submission of presentations open as long as possible, but the deadline is likely to be no later than 2 weeks before the conference. The idea of 'science' in EVE is sometimes a difficult one to address in RP. What we're looking for isn't 'absolute' or 'incontrovertible' evidence, simply because the science of the world of New Eden isn't well enough defined to insist on that. What we are looking for are interesting ideas, with enough of the 'basics' of science (or economics, or combat, or whatever) in them to provide immersion. If you can base it on your own observations, experiences in the game or even on reproducible results from game mechanics so much the better.

The second point is the one about who can attend or present. The key difference between this and recent SeyCons is that we're leaving the gates open to all here this year whereas previously we've been restrictive. There may well be a few conditions, but for the moment if you've got something to present or if you want to attend don't let previous or current adversarial dealings with us as a corporation dissuade you from seeing if you're allowed through the door. :)

Hope to hear from more of you soon.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Katrina Oniseki on 03 Aug 2013, 23:38
Kat - Thanks and we'll be in touch. In an I-RED press conference a while back, you presented some RP'd technology that I-RED was either working or rolling out for sale - something to do with low orbit harvesting from gas planets if my memory's correct. That and some of your other world-building efforts might also be quite interesting to see at SeyCon if there's not some sort of IC reason to keep it hushed up?

The gas harvesting was actually a tech fiction I wrote up here on backstage (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=3517.0).

The I-RED conference tech we rolled out was essentially a crossover tribute to Frank Herbert's Dune universe. I-RED essentially began marketing the Ornithopter. A very low-tech flying machine designed to be ugly, easy to repair, very durable, and available to low income colonies.

I can probably think up some sort of new tech or something we've been working on. Maybe a land vehicle. I dunno. We don't have many reasons to hush anything up about worldbuilding. :)
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Synthia on 04 Aug 2013, 09:04
We could, possibly, write up some things.

For Day 1 - Outbreaks of Debylian Flu

For Day 2 - Sebiestor Brain Structures. CTCS Crew Replacement Program. Archaelogical Discoveries from the Wombat People. Use of Miniature Robotics in Biological Studies.

Received your expression of interest, still considering it but it looks good. Would you mind writing us a summary of your talk(s) when ready or in draft stage?

That will be Fine.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Nmaro Makari on 05 Aug 2013, 13:08
Bumping and also added Morwen Lagann to the Logistical Committee roll.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Makoto Priano on 08 Aug 2013, 21:46
Makoto - I love the idea of a roundtable such as you've proposed. We'd need to get some other panelists and develop a structure for audience interaction, but I think something like this would be interesting and a refreshing change from the format seen in previous SeyCons. I'll need to find those other panelists and twist a few arms on the organising committee of course, but I have a lot of things I can use to coerce co-operation if necessary ....  :twisted:

Baha! Excellent. I'd propose a moderator-and-speakers format, with the moderator trying to control the personalities on stage. It might be fun to have a speaker from each of the major empires-- the 'moderates' of each nation, essentially, while a Syn logi type plays wrangler. We could easily have a set of two seed topics to spur conversation, and then questions as they arise, via the moderator. This would risk substantial overruns on time, but it's not uncommon for roundtables to run over time, or to split up into side conference rooms, etc.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Synthia on 24 Aug 2013, 09:31
Has a date been set ?
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Anslol on 26 Aug 2013, 09:05
So uh....I still don't know what to do/how to write this. Has someone done this in the past who has a template form or presentation...something?? I'm gonna assume there has to be an actual literature review, references, etc from credible real world sources?
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Aelisha Montenagre on 26 Aug 2013, 12:27
Writing conference papers does not require the explicit literature review process, as you can see in the following: http://www.bnl.gov/isd/documents/32542.pdf (http://www.bnl.gov/isd/documents/32542.pdf).  This is an example format and they can vary.

The main goal of a conference paper is thus:

1. Tell them what you are about to tell them (This paper presents a model of lower-strain drone behaviours)
2. Then tell them (The method used to develop this model was X and the results as shown in Figures a/b/c support/confirm/disprove our hypothesis - followed by results discussion)
3. Then remind them of what you have been telling them (In conclusion our model, as supported by the results, demonstrates that X.  Future work will focus on an experimental approach to validating this model.)

This simpyl approach usually results in a paper of between 5 and 8 pages, with a presentation of no loner than 15 minutes (with another 5 for audience and panel questions). 

I do not know how this will work for SEYCON, as it varies even in real world scenarios, but this is the basic structure.

One thing to remember is that conference papers are NOT journal papers.  Journal papers present novel and original work, including methods, results and analyses.  A conference paper presents novel ideas, with some results to back their worthiness for further exploration, and 'plants the flag', to inform the academic community that this is your little area and you're likely to beat then to future publications - giving a certain element of security in your personal domain. 

As mentioned earlier, I am unsure how the SEYCON organisers work this, so I will refer to their judgement in this matter. 
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Anslol on 26 Aug 2013, 12:29
So uh...I'd probably need a lab, some very hard to find organisms, lots of petri dishes...ok yeah maybe I can't do this LOL.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Aelisha Montenagre on 26 Aug 2013, 12:32
Well, it is a fiction isn't it?  Just look at something vaguely real-world analogous and fiction it up.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Anslol on 26 Aug 2013, 12:34
And then get reamed with YDIW and being discredited by people saying I have no idea what I'm saying despite the research done vOv. I don't even know if my topic would work. What are some past topics?
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Aelisha Montenagre on 26 Aug 2013, 12:39
(EDITED: To elaborate on the first point)

TBH if you're worried of YDIW, roleplaying at all is probably a bad idea - those who are going to call you, I or another out, will find a way to do so beyond the scope of this event, and tbh interesting, fun ideas with the veneer of academic rigour (but obviously not real experimental work) is in itself fun.  Something with more meat than Arek Jalaan, a bit more respect and rigor, that demands a higher calibre while still keeping an open mind.  At least that is my impression. 

I would hope that the moderators of the event have sufficient control of both quality (from submissions and 'questions from the floor) and the pitch of the conference (maybe exploratory work and therefore much more based in semantics/theoreticals instead of solid work) to ensure that YDIW is not an issue. 

Another way of avoiding YDIW is to purposefully pick an obscure topic, conference papers are so focused so as to allow this kind of work without it being complete cloud 9 stuff.  For instance a biological survey of protozoa in a specific volcanic lake on a specific temperate world is completely immune to YDIW, unless you were to say that those organisms were having an impact on the cluster at large. 

I would, however, welcome prior works from other conferences to see exactly what the QA/theme looks like from other events.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Shintoko Akahoshi on 26 Aug 2013, 13:28
You can also go look at the transcripts of the past conferences (http://thesynenoseaccord.wordpress.com) to see how people present their work (which mostly falls into the "how would this be depicted in some hard SF story" camp). If you keep to this level of work, you shouldn't have to worry about anyone harping on you about YDIW.

And if they do, you can ask them to direct their criticism to the Synenose Accord Complaints Department.

Which I volunteer to run. :yar:
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Victoria Stecker on 26 Aug 2013, 14:59
I have fond memories of the first (or maybe second?) conference, highlights included LouLou's graphic detailing interactions with Slave something (heavenbound? Was that seri's kid?), and Kyber's study of some specialized scorpion variant.

While there's some actual research that goes into it, a lot of it ends up simply being fan fiction, presented scientifically.

It basically has a neon sign that says YDIW, but gets a pass for doing it :awesome:
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Louella Dougans on 26 Aug 2013, 15:15
I have fond memories of the first (or maybe second?) conference, highlights included LouLou's graphic detailing interactions with Slave something (heavenbound? Was that seri's kid?), and Kyber's study of some specialized scorpion variant.

While there's some actual research that goes into it, a lot of it ends up simply being fan fiction, presented scientifically.

It basically has a neon sign that says YDIW, but gets a pass for doing it :awesome:

A report on Sansha's Nation infiltrator technology (from the amarr epic arc)
[spoiler](http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/bertcom1/Sanshaclones.png)[/spoiler]

A report on the possibility of communicating with Slave Heavenbound02, and Psych-warfare possibilities (from interacting with Heavenbound during the live events)
[spoiler](http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/bertcom1/Heavenbound.png)
[/spoiler]


unrelated bonus content:
[spoiler](http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/bertcom1/RPlols.png)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Synthia on 26 Aug 2013, 15:55
TBH if you're worried of YDIW, roleplaying at all is probably a bad idea - those who are going to call you, I or another out, will find a way to do so beyond the scope of this event, and tbh interesting, fun ideas with the veneer of academic rigour (but obviously not real experimental work) is in itself fun.  Something with more meat than Arek Jalaan, a bit more respect and rigor, that demands a higher calibre while still keeping an open mind.  At least that is my impression. 

When Arek'Jalaan is mentioned, I think it is worth looking at one of the better projects that came out of it - Project Theseus:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Project_Theseus

The original proposal was here:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Arek%27Jaalan_Mailing_List_W4:_project_proposal_-_Project_Theseus_-_suggestions_%26_criticism_requested

The summary of the results:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Arek%27Jaalan_Mailing_List_W7:_Project_Theseus_conclusions

Something to consider for RP research things, to avoid the YDIW problem, is that finding nothing is at least as scientifically valid and important as finding something. This was a mistake that a lot of A'J things made, as I remember it - a lot of "amazing discovery", some of which contradicted obscure bits of PF, and so on.

"We found no significant relationship between X and Y", and a discussion of why that may be the case (limits of measuring equipment, sample size, invalid assumptions, etc. ) provides as much scientific RP as finding something does.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Merdaneth on 02 Sep 2013, 12:53
Love to come and do an presentation, but currently without an active EVE account....
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Lyn Farel on 02 Sep 2013, 13:16
I considered seriously to present something in there, but I really lack the time to produce something :(
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Synthia on 19 Sep 2013, 15:32
Has a date been set ?
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 20 Sep 2013, 10:58
The last one being bandied about by the SCLC was November 3rd and 4th, but you'll need Nemo, Ollie and/or Ninavask to confirm that.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Etienne Saissore on 02 Oct 2013, 00:27
We'd be interested in presenting something. Is there still time to send an abstract?
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Ollie on 02 Oct 2013, 18:39
We'd be interested in presenting something. Is there still time to send an abstract?

Loads of time. I'm going to make the IGS announcement at the end of this week. Owing to my own RL commitments we're now looking at December 7th/8th for the conference.

In addition to talks, open panels, etc we're also considering a free RP trade floor 'room' where characters can hawk their corps/alliances/industry/research/services or anything they can think of that fits the idea as well as network and develop contacts. So if people want to participate in that way let us know too.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Etienne Saissore on 03 Oct 2013, 01:40
Loads of time.
I hope it won't be too immersion breaking to receive the abstracts before the DL.

In addition to talks, open panels, etc we're also considering a free RP trade floor 'room' where characters can hawk their corps/alliances/industry/research/services or anything they can think of that fits the idea as well as network and develop contacts. So if people want to participate in that way let us know too.
We would be interested in this.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Ollie on 03 Oct 2013, 21:02
I hope it won't be too immersion breaking to receive the abstracts before the DL.

Not immersion breaking at all - send abstract(s) or ideas to the SeyCon SCLC mailing list in game. If you can't access that, just CC them to myself (Ollie Rundle in game), N'maro Makari, Ninavask, Morwen Lagann and Derek Draconis.

If you need an IC reason ... say you've heard rumours, etc based on the 12 months+ since the last SeyCon and emerging technology that's developed during that interval. :)

In addition to talks, open panels, etc we're also considering a free RP trade floor 'room' where characters can hawk their corps/alliances/industry/research/services or anything they can think of that fits the idea as well as network and develop contacts. So if people want to participate in that way let us know too.
We would be interested in this.

Again, just let me or the committee know what you have in mind.



Further to the last, we're looking for a few other types of characters who might want to participate in various aspects of RP surrounding and related to the conference.

Firstly, following the official announcement on IGS (again, Coming Soon™) I'm hoping to involve journalist/media-focussed characters who have ties to news sources to report on the conference preparations and updates in-character. Ideally this would be partly managed through OOC conversation/clarification so as to see things progress with enough drama to maintain interest but not to derail things beyond all hope of getting it back on track. Fredfredbug (if you're here), Muck Raker, ISODE, etc ... I'm kind of looking at you guys as well as anyone else (throwaway alt?) who think they fit the bill. If this sounds like something you want to be involved with let us know. If not, no harm no foul.

Secondly, we're hoping to run some kind of entertainment on the first or second nights (or both if there's enough interest) after the scheduled parts of the conference. If there's anyone who's interested in RPing as entertainers (musicians, DJs, MCs, etc), as service providers (players with an interest in their characters supplying food, beverages, etc) or anyone who has other unique ideas they think might work in that setting again please let us know. If there's enough interest we'll hand you that/those role(s) - otherwise we'll just background it.

Edit: Also, not sure if this thread should be here or in Player Driven Content board. Will leave it up to the mods to decide.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Laurentis Thiesant on 03 Oct 2013, 21:50

Firstly, following the official announcement on IGS (again, Coming Soon™) I'm hoping to involve journalist/media-focussed characters who have ties to news sources to report on the conference preparations and updates in-character. Ideally this would be partly managed through OOC conversation/clarification so as to see things progress with enough drama to maintain interest but not to derail things beyond all hope of getting it back on track. Fredfredbug (if you're here), Muck Raker, ISODE, etc ... I'm kind of looking at you guys as well as anyone else (throwaway alt?) who think they fit the bill. If this sounds like something you want to be involved with let us know. If not, no harm no foul.

While the Institute isn't a news organisation per se, it can always have some kind of similar engagement in the line of speculative press releases/conferences and campaigns and so on. Making as well as then presenting the news of sorts.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Ollie on 04 Oct 2013, 01:37
While the Institute isn't a news organisation per se, it can always have some kind of similar engagement in the line of speculative press releases/conferences and campaigns and so on. Making as well as then presenting the news of sorts.

Yeah, the names put out there were just the most obvious of people/groups who make regular announcements on the IGS of the type I'm thinking of. I wasn't meaning to imply ISODE was a media outlet and nor was I attempting to force you to become involved - my apologies if that was how it seemed. Rather I was thinking that groups like ISODE as a politicised think-tank might be interested in making objective or subjective commentary on the types of social, technological and post-human themes that we're trying to have SeyCon highlight. This would give a different perspective to news or tabloid reporting.

At the end of the day, what I'm actually trying to accomplish is to open an event that's been somewhat confined in the past to a specific type of RP to other forms of RP and wider interaction with as many players as can be achieved.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Laurentis Thiesant on 04 Oct 2013, 04:12
While the Institute isn't a news organisation per se, it can always have some kind of similar engagement in the line of speculative press releases/conferences and campaigns and so on. Making as well as then presenting the news of sorts.

Yeah, the names put out there were just the most obvious of people/groups who make regular announcements on the IGS of the type I'm thinking of. I wasn't meaning to imply ISODE was a media outlet and nor was I attempting to force you to become involved - my apologies if that was how it seemed. Rather I was thinking that groups like ISODE as a politicised think-tank might be interested in making objective or subjective commentary on the types of social, technological and post-human themes that we're trying to have SeyCon highlight. This would give a different perspective to news or tabloid reporting.

At the end of the day, what I'm actually trying to accomplish is to open an event that's been somewhat confined in the past to a specific type of RP to other forms of RP and wider interaction with as many players as can be achieved.

No no you don't have to force me into anything, I'd be happy to help.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Synthia on 05 Oct 2013, 07:25
December? oh ok.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - Speakers and Staff Wanted
Post by: Nmaro Makari on 15 Nov 2013, 20:42
Hey folks

Most unfortunately, due to scheduling difficulties, plus ongoing operational commitments, we have decided to indefinitely postpone this event. It will happen, just when there's less demands on our attention and more resources.

Ideas and thoughts are still welcome  :)
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Saede Riordan on 16 Nov 2013, 00:26
awwww :(
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Ché Biko on 22 Nov 2013, 08:54
Hey, I don't mind waiting. I prefer a well organized conference over a rushed one.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Saede Riordan on 26 Nov 2013, 06:28
I've got my presentations all prepared when it is decided to do the conference anyway.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Lyn Farel on 26 Nov 2013, 07:24
I might be interested.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Saede Riordan on 07 Jan 2014, 14:25
how would people feel about ALXVP putting together our own conference, to take the place of the current Seycon? Since Ollie and N'maro are too busy irl to manage it right now.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Katrina Oniseki on 08 Jan 2014, 14:03
how would people feel about ALXVP putting together our own conference, to take the place of the current Seycon? Since Ollie and N'maro are too busy irl to manage it right now.

OOC, my suggestion is to not use ALXVP to do that. I'll explain why below.

Synenose Accord is generally recognized to be an above-the-table lawful organization. ALXVP has shown itself to be less than such, from my viewpoint. For various IC reasons, mind you. I may be misjudging the opinions of other characters here, but you folks have typically not stayed on the straight and narrow. ALXVP is in many ways the polar opposite of Synenose, openly supporting Nation and disparaging the Big4.

I think it's perfectly fine for ALXVP to launch their own event, HOWEVER:

I think many would be strongly opposed IC to ALXVP's event billing itself as the 'successor' or 'replacement' to Seyllin Conference. It could be seen as an insult, as a spit in the face. I wouldn't be surprised if the event was ridiculed, snubbed, or outright attacked by some of the regulars.

All that doesn't even include the OOC reactions some might have. We've already seen one catacombed response to your offer, and you can bet there will be more.

If creating controversy and drama is what you want, sure, go ahead and try. I think more groups need to host more events, and I think ALXVP should host more events too. I do not think they/you should try to fill those particular shoes though. Find your own pair and stick with them.

TL;DR

No. Do your own event. Don't try to capitalize on someone else's events using a corp that is directly opposed to the original hosts.

EDIT:

You once described that you wanted ALXVP to be "a more edgy and hip version of Star Fraction". I think tgat accurately describes why many characters would not trust/want to go to a science conference held by ALXVP.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Saede Riordan on 08 Jan 2014, 16:26
So in your opinion Kat, should we stay away from science conventions altogether to avoid stepping on SeyCon's toes, or just set it up independently and not bill it as the spiritual successor to Seyllin?
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Katrina Oniseki on 08 Jan 2014, 17:47
So in your opinion Kat, should we stay away from science conventions altogether to avoid stepping on SeyCon's toes, or just set it up independently and not bill it as the spiritual successor to Seyllin?

I'm saying do your own thing.

Set it up independently, and try to find some flavor of science that isn't also stepping on their toes. I think ALXVP would be an excellent corp to host a conference on transhumanism and post-human technologies. This would be completely different from SeyCon and would be right up your alley to boot. Think about it. Isn't that sort of stuff exactly what ALXVP is all about? The general topic of making humans 'better' than what they are right now? Why not host a grand conference showcasing all sorts of things?



Here's some stuff!

Bodymodding
Modding Showcase: Upgrades for your Body!
~ Hidden tools or weapons
~ Prosthetic replacements
~ Built in personal electronics, like a datapad on the back of your wrist
~ Cybernetic implants
~ Nanite and holographic tattoos
~ Combat mods
~ Sexual mods
~ Vanity mods (plastic surgery)
~ Survival/Durability mods
~ and more!

Boddymodding Drawbacks:
~ If you're addicted to bodymodding, where can you get help?
~ Bodymodding Anonymous' 12-Step-Program: Bringing you closer to Amarrian God, and away from sinful modding!
~ Mod removal and reversal
~ Countering common misconceptions about Modders and mods!
~ Legal fund for those discriminated against illegally for being Modders

Clones
Clone Showcasing: Buy finished clones, without needing to mod them!
~ Furry/Alien avatars
~ Quadripedal or otherwise multi-limbed
~ Independant clones for both 'siamese twins'
~ DUST clone without the cranial implants
~ Blank clones for human experimentation
~ and more!

Biomass Politics:
~ How are clones made?
~ What are they made from?
~ Are the industry practices for producing clones inhumane or otherwise exploitative?
~ Do the empty clones feel pain and emotion while they are being grown?
~ Are safe and non-toxic materials being used in the production of clones?
~ Are the storage and maintenance practices of the cloning industry adequate?

Clone Rights Politics:
~ Should clones share the same legal protections as their originals?
~ What groups and individuals threaten the advancement of cloning the most?
~ Should clones be made available to the poor and/or sickly as a matter of principle?
~ Political issues of Capsuleers vs. Greater Cluster
~ Political issues of DUSTers vs. Greater Cluster

Infomorphs
Definitions:
~ Capsuleers
~ DUST mercs
~ Sleepers
~ ???

Theology:
~ Do Infomorphs join their God/Spirits/Ancestors/etc when they die?
~ Are they Angels or Demons?
~ Are they still human?
~ Do they have a 'soul' at all?

Political Considerations:
~ Are they a blessing to humanity?
~ Are they a threat to humanity?
~ What dangers or possibilities now exist that didn't ten years ago?
~ What is CONCORD's real goal? Are they trying to 'keep us down' or lift us up?
~ What is Nation's real goal? Are they trying to exterminate us, or are they really actually trying to help us?
~ Where are the Jove, our estranged parents? What was the purpose of this gift to us, and why would they not follow up?
~ What about those rumors of a higher power? An evil cousin to the Jove? The Enehheduani or whatever?
~ Are the sleepers dead/gone, or are they still alive and we've been tearing up their world?

Trans/Post-Humanism

~ Why is transhumanism the answer to our problems?
~ What dangers might lay ahead if we leave our current humanity behind?
~ What lessons do the Jove have to teach us about transhumanism?
~ What lessons do the other ancient races have to teach us? (Sleepers, Yan Jung, Talocan, Tahkmal)
~ What major advancements in the field have been made recently?
~ What major hurdles do we still have to overcome before we can move forward?
~ What is our end goal for transhumanism, and do we really want it?



As you can see, Saede, there is so much possibility just in your RP niche alone that you could host several YEARS worth of events just to cover some of the ideas listed here in sufficient detail. There isn't any reason why you should want to host anything like SeyCon, when you have a veritable gold mine of material to pick from already.

After typing all this, I'd like to point out I really hope you're up to the task - because even Kat might have to attend something as deliciously sci-fi as this.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Saede Riordan on 08 Jan 2014, 17:58
10/10, would attend
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Esna Pitoojee on 08 Jan 2014, 21:59
I was writing a version of this earlier, but I think Kat got most of it before I did: ALXVP has created its own niche, but in doing so has managed to create some ugly history with other people as well. A "Seylinn-ish" conference sponsored by ALXVP would not be viewed by all as neutral, nor in a particularly good light.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Nicoletta Mithra on 09 Jan 2014, 03:00
Was SeyCon ever viewed as neutral, though?
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Arista Shahni on 09 Jan 2014, 03:51
The moral of the story is keep the OOC lulz out of people's views, so they don't translate it as "an IC reflection of OOC trolling".  I know you guys are pretty cool and very well coul dhave been joking, and it is hard to tell the amount of actual work ppl put into stuff, but still.  It's easy to hurt people's feels.  Specially this past year with all the drama, the RP community is highly sensitive, and for damned good reason.  We've been stepped on by not only eachother, but CCP staff.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Louella Dougans on 09 Jan 2014, 12:13
a lot of sciencey things, in the PF, have appeared to be based on scientific principles that are not always identical to things that exist in Real Life. Some things also have pseudoscientific names, as a joke.

things like:
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=3771 Ectoplasm
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=3926 Augmented stem cells
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=21567 Powdered Cubensis

Also, a lot of the PF seems to show that state-of-the-art cybernetic prostheses are at the mechanical level, i.e. anyone with cybernetic enhancements is visibly such. More like Deus Ex Human Revolution than Deus Ex.
There are some things in PF which are not visible, such as Blood Raiders having bio-engineered spy people, and so on, but that's an entirely different thing.
Of course, there's that "thanatos" super special secret agent in Templar One, again, there's some odd stuff that's not necessarily compatible with what is known in RL scientific literature.

So... any player-based science things have to take into account that really, scientific laws in the EVE universe aren't quite the same as in RL. And also, player based science things have to respect and account for the things written in the PF. Things like... that bit about how cybernetic enhancement, there's no middle ground, use as much as possible, or as little as possible. Can't take a scientific paper, change names of authors, and insert things into the EVE universe, it just doesn't work that way.

Also, player stuff, has to be original, and also, modest in its claims. Like, if you're going to clone things en masse, then there's a couple of technologies that exist - Blood Raider, Sansha's Nation, Jovian things. All of which operate differently. If you claim to have an original fourth method, then that's a pretty big claim - means that your science things rival or exceed the capabilities of some of the major entities in New Eden. Got to be able to back that up pretty convincingly. Or instead, use tech belonging to 2 of those mentioned (i.e. not the Jovians). Which would be a thing in itself - that you are on good enough terms for research sharing with those powers, or that you are capable of understanding and implementing the theories using captured partial equipment. Again, those are big claims.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Saede Riordan on 09 Jan 2014, 12:33
Quote
Also, player stuff, has to be original, and also, modest in its claims. Like, if you're going to clone things en masse, then there's a couple of technologies that exist - Blood Raider, Sansha's Nation, Jovian things. All of which operate differently. If you claim to have an original fourth method, then that's a pretty big claim - means that your science things rival or exceed the capabilities of some of the major entities in New Eden. Got to be able to back that up pretty convincingly. Or instead, use tech belonging to 2 of those mentioned (i.e. not the Jovians). Which would be a thing in itself - that you are on good enough terms for research sharing with those powers, or that you are capable of understanding and implementing the theories using captured partial equipment. Again, those are big claims.

I see this come down largely to a matter of perspective and priorities then outright abilities. We see that all the factions in EVE have an amazing level of technology, there are just things that they don't apply for financial/cultural/political reasons.

To use your cloning en masse example, its indicated in the (albeit questionably PF) stuff about softcloning that any sufficently rich baseliner could have a clone, and that cloning technology isn't something only capsuleers have access to. So its not a technological/engineering issues, its a funding issue, one that capsuleers could hypothetically solve, being the insanely rich moguls that we are.

Another example is things like radio telescopes and the like, which clearly exist both ingame and in real life using pretty simple scientific principles. I had a long discussion IC and OOCly with Stitcher and some other corpmates about things like, we should be able to use telescopes and the like to find wormhole space and plot its shape, but we can't because the game mechanics prevent it. This is technology that isn't super advanced, can be found in numerous complexes in space, and clearly exists and would likely be easily affordable by our characters. But because the mechanics aren't in place ingame, any discoveries we made would basically have to be handwaved out of thin air unless CCP actually gave us information. This is where I see a lot of the limits of science RP really hit, and why it disappoints me greatly that Arek Jaalan wasn't continued. Because there are things our characters could do in-universe that we as players just can't do without CCP. This is where I feel the greatest restrictions lie for us, and part of me wants to just say 'well just make it up' but I know that wouldn't necessarily produce good results, or results that would correlate with the fiction, and its something CCP could easily countermand at any time. On some level I feel like CCP wants capsuleers to just be violent murderboat captains and leave all the science to NPCs. Am dissapoint.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Louella Dougans on 09 Jan 2014, 13:08
wormhole shape is arbitrary, and doesn't match up with anything ingame. It's purely game mechanics.

All the J-123456 numbers are from one of the RL astronomic catalogues. CCP said this. Something about the J-123456 number being the only identifiable quasar visible from that wormhole system or something like that. Which means class 6 space isn't at the centre, with lower classes arranged in a ring, as the systems appear on eve maps. It's all arbitrary.

Which put the kibosh on the Arekjalann project about mapping the wormholes. Ingame numbers and observations didn't matter. I don't even know if the quasars appear ingame. Probably not.



There was another cheap cloning tech that I forgot, DUST. Shows how well integrated DUST is with the rest of EVE, hurp. Anyway, DUST clones, are mass produced generic clones, whose life expectancy simply does not matter. Degenerations within a year or so are most definitely not an issue for a DUST clone.
Capsuleer clones are individually made, to the customers specifications, it doesn't look like a process that scales at all well.
It's the thing, whereby, to allow 1 cloned individual to operate, requires a support staff and a lot of material backup. Having an entire civilisation of clone-possessing individuals, begins to look like a substantial proportion of the population has to be employed in the cloning industry, just to maintain the civilisation, leaving fewer people to do other things.
Maybe that's why the Takmahl civilisation died out, who knows. Because just how does a clone-using civilisation die out? vOv
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Nmaro Makari on 09 Jan 2014, 15:05
Ok so this thread took off under my nose.

Right, just in brief until I get a little more time.

While there's no mechanic or any sort of rule backing us up, SYNE does like to think that the institution, not the content, of SeyCon is its intellectual property, a feeling that I think it's fair to say isn't entirely undeserved given the effort put in by its organisers at the front and behind the scenes.

That being said, I had hoped when advertising the event on backstage that we would have more people externally from outside the corp answering the call for additional organisers, because we wanted people from outside the corp to feel invested in the project but also it overcomes the issue of personnel shortages. In our view, it would have made the conference far more permanent and appeal to more people.

In short we wanted to pluralize the conference.

Thus this thread does put me in a difficult position because while we still do want to run the conference given that our operational capacity has freed up, I don't think it's far from the truth that holding both SeyCon and another one from a different group would probably benefit neither and create undue animosity.

We still want to hold SeyCon we had planned to when we were all a little more available, we would be disappointed if we could't this season, but not upset, and we certainly do not want to create animosity or ill will by adopting an "OURS! DO NOT TOUCH" policy.

Thus, we would like to come to an arrangement with you folks that have expressed such an interest so far. We would like to be involved, we would still like it to be under the SeyCon banner, and we would most certainly like to have those of you who who have been throwing around idea balls so far to be leading figures of its planning, preparation and execution.

If such an arrangement is not amicable, we understand, we will accept your judgement and part amicably *tips hat* with no ill will and try again next year.

Responding here is fine, but also by mail if you wish to talk privately.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Saede Riordan on 09 Jan 2014, 15:10
I'm definitely interested and willing to be involved.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Myyona on 10 Jan 2014, 04:52
wormhole shape is arbitrary, and doesn't match up with anything ingame. It's purely game mechanics.

All the J-123456 numbers are from one of the RL astronomic catalogues. CCP said this. Something about the J-123456 number being the only identifiable quasar visible from that wormhole system or something like that. Which means class 6 space isn't at the centre, with lower classes arranged in a ring, as the systems appear on eve maps. It's all arbitrary.

Which put the kibosh on the Arekjalann project about mapping the wormholes. Ingame numbers and observations didn't matter. I don't even know if the quasars appear ingame. Probably not.
Yes. I was surprised when Torfi pulled that one out. :|

It is seemingly important, considering the speed in which CCP removed this information from the Starbase towers. On the other hand, it has been communicated very poorly out to the players, where most still believe that the game mechanical location match the lore.

A good example of IC knowledge being opposite of the OOC one.

To emphasize: W-systems are considered lore wise to be spread all over the starcluster/galaxy/universe, not in some region in the "south-east" corner of the map.
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Saede Riordan on 10 Jan 2014, 06:34
And yet all the nebulas are the same....
Title: Re: Seyllin Conference 4 - INDEFINITELY POSTPONED
Post by: Synthia on 17 Nov 2014, 14:51
so, is this back on then ?