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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: BloodBird on 11 Apr 2013, 10:55
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I have no idea what to think or feel about this. (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/terrorist-attack-gallente-cultural-center/)
It rings very familiar to me, at all points.
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Familiar OOCly ? Like Anders Breivik familiar ?
Or did you mean something else entirely ?
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Familiar OOCly ? Like Anders Breivik familiar ?
Or did you mean something else entirely ?
Like that, yes. I noticed it, too. And I'm not sure what to think of it either.
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I don't see anything wrong with CCP drawing from RL events for things, but that does seem a little... off, in that light. :S
I'd rather wait for more details before making any judgement on it though.
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I don't mind much. That's not like that kind of things was uncommon IRL anyway. And Eve often takes pride to base itself on a grim version of IRL.
Also, getting inspiration from IRL makes it seem more believable, more often than not.
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I'm not saying CCP are objectively horrible for drawing on it, if that is actually what they have done. It's more that the thought of him inspiring anything at all, even internet spaceship fiction, is...complicated.
I'm not going to hate on it, but I'm not going to throw any characters at this story arc either.
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Follow up (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/former-minmatar-minister-caille-wounded/)
Karin Midular, current Sebiestor Tribal Chief and former Prime Minister of the Minmatar Republic, has been confirmed as one of those wounded in the terrorist attack that took place at the hands of a lone gunman earlier today on Gallente Prime. Details are sparse at this hour, but reports indicate the tribal chief is currently in critical condition after sustaining a serious head wound in the attack.
According to highly placed sources within the Minmatar government, Sanmatar Malaetu Shakor has been in direct contact with Federation President Jacus Roden, making a strongly worded demand that the shooter be extradited to the Minmatar Republic for questioning and trial. The same sources indicate that the President's response was negative, citing internal investigation and damage control at home as the primary reasons.
No details pertaining to the gunman's identity have been released yet, though unconfirmed reports indicate that he is of ethnic Gallente origin. His political or organizational affiliations, if any, are unknown at this time. He is reportedly being held and questioned by Caille authorities in preparation for transfer to an undisclosed governmental facility.
Protests and rioting have broken out in various cities across the Minmatar Republic, with dissenters calling for Midular to be sent home immediately along with the gunman. Midular's status as a Ray of Matar, a position of rarified cultural and spiritual significance to the Minmatar, is believed to account in large part for the extraordinarily rapid escalation of national anger.
Representatives of the Sebiestor Tribe were unavailable for comment, though the tribe this afternoon sent out a release expressing shock at the state of affairs while urging "tribal brothers and sisters, as well as all of our national brethren everywhere, to remain resilient in the face of this great and senseless evil."
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I'm intrigued.
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hasn't Karin Midular been through enough?
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Yes, I'm a little sad to see Midular going through all of this. It is one of my favorite PF characters. Or it was...
Apparently the RSS want to cross the border and reclaim the shooter at 20:00 eve time.
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"yaaay"
I'm actually quite pleased with this, as it gives Kala something to be seriously angry about. She's not huge on the Republic, but she is very proud of her tribe.
I can only hope the Gallente refuse to hand him over so she gets to do a great long Rage Rant™
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and... I'll be at work for the event. Again. :bash:
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Am I the only one who saw this and promptly thought that the gunman might have been 'nudged' along by someone involved in that shady tribal business we recently had a chron about?
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I actually see it as more related to the minmatar arc involving the Odenjorn and the Gallente courts. I think CCP is trying to distance the republic and fed. Would be nice if the 4 factions were independent of each other.
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RSS Operative appeared in the Summit (Abja Etbald), stirred the pot somewhat
[ 2013.04.11 17:22:33 ] Abja Etbald > Pilots
[ 2013.04.11 17:22:40 ] Lyn Farel > That incident in Caille is escalating
[ 2013.04.11 17:22:43 ] Abja Etbald > No doubt you have heard the news.
[ 2013.04.11 17:23:10 ] Abja Etbald > The Republic Security Services will not tolerate this.[ 2013.04.11 17:23:24 ] Liuni Kalthis > What exactly happened, was it a lone actor or something more?
[ 2013.04.11 17:23:34 ] Lyn Farel > /emote tilts her head.
[ 2013.04.11 17:23:53 ] Kanaya Laskey > Oh man what's going on now?
[ 2013.04.11 17:24:05 ] Reid Ardorei > I haven't heard, actually.
[ 2013.04.11 17:24:07 ] Lyn Farel > http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/former-minmatar-minister-caille-wounded/
[ 2013.04.11 17:24:09 ] Abja Etbald > The Federation Navy has been made fully aware that at 20:00 EVE Standard Time, we will be crossing the border to take the shooter into Republic custody.
[ 2013.04.11 17:24:18 ] Randy Orien-Beryle > I hope this does not affe-
[ 2013.04.11 17:24:40 ] Jessica Sargasso > Well that sounds like a brilliant idea of something you do to an ally.
[ 2013.04.11 17:24:46 ] Lyn Farel > Ah, so the transfer has been authorized ?
[ 2013.04.11 17:25:37 ] Abja Etbald > No, it hasn't. But we'll be making sure it will be.
[ 2013.04.11 17:25:52 ] Kanaya Laskey > Oh hell in a handbasket, that system can't catch a break.
[ 2013.04.11 17:25:59 ] Lyn Farel > /emote looks confused.
[ 2013.04.11 17:26:02 ] Seriphyn Inhonores > /emote raises his eyebrows, "That's...quite arrogant. Perhaps you should just wait? It's barely been twelve hours"
[ 2013.04.11 17:26:14 ] Abja Etbald > This is a matter for the seven Tribes to resolve, not the Supreme Court.
[ 2013.04.11 17:26:18 ] Liuni Kalthis > So a crime happening on Gallenete lands means you try them at home. I look forward to hearing of the Minmatar sending their people to Gallenete to crimes against tourists. This will be interesting.
[ 2013.04.11 17:26:31 ] Liuni Kalthis > for crimes rather.
[ 2013.04.11 17:26:33 ] Jessica Sargasso > at the point of your fully loaded guns? that doesn't sound like the smart move. More likely you will be causing undue friction between yourselves and the Gallente police.
[ 2013.04.11 17:26:38 ] Abja Etbald > One of our own, a Ray of Matar no less, has been attacked. The Tribal Government will not tolerate this.
[ 2013.04.11 17:26:41 ] Jessica Sargasso > do you expect Black Eagle resistance.
[ 2013.04.11 17:26:49 ] Liuni Kalthis > And you think the Gallenete will?
[ 2013.04.11 17:27:26 ] Seriphyn Inhonores > I don't think Caille recognize tattoo eugenics as a viable legal platform to launch expeditions...
[ 2013.04.11 17:27:26 ] Randy Orien-Beryle > You don't seem to understand how the Republic views it's public figures and symbols. They're important. I'd say on-par with the way Amarr views it's religious texts, or how the Caldari view their homeworld.
[ 2013.04.11 17:28:23 ] Randy Orien-Beryle > I say let the Minmatar have their attacker, he'll see justice one way, or another.
[ 2013.04.11 17:28:25 ] Liuni Kalthis > So basically they want to cause more tention because they want the person sent to Minmatar lands within 24 hours. I swear, then they say we capsuleers are the children.
[ 2013.04.11 17:28:32 ] Liuni Kalthis > Get your pitch forks and torches people, lets go for a lenching.
[ 2013.04.11 17:29:03 ] Jessica Sargasso > President Roden himself denied the request, no demand, for extradition from Shakor, according to the Scope article.
[ 2013.04.11 17:29:19 ] Seriphyn Inhonores > Karin Midular's life is somehow superior to the lost lives of those at the event...
[ 2013.04.11 17:29:19 ] Abja Etbald > Inhonores, your attitude is exactly what is wrong with this situation.[ 2013.04.11 17:29:30 ] Jessica Sargasso > is this really the path you wish to tread?
[ 2013.04.11 17:29:30 ] Kanaya Laskey > Why not send a capsuleer to get the attacker?
[ 2013.04.11 17:29:39 ] Abja Etbald > The lack of respect for Tribal tradition and custom in this instance is a disgrace to the founding principles of the Federation.
[ 2013.04.11 17:29:41 ] Seriphyn Inhonores > I'm just advisin' patience, ma'am. Caille 'ave barely had time to investigate it.
[ 2013.04.11 17:29:52 ] Seriphyn Inhonores > And you're showing a lack of respect for Federation process!
[ 2013.04.11 17:30:10 ] Liuni Kalthis > The lack of respect for due process and fact gathering by the tirbes is an insult too.
[ 2013.04.11 17:30:11 ] Rhiannon Dellacorte > /emote munches popcorn
[ 2013.04.11 17:30:39 ] Abja Etbald > The fact is that this... person, this animal, has been arrested, in sight of hundreds of witnesses.
[ 2013.04.11 17:30:40 ] Lucas Raholan > While in any other case it would be a Gallente remit..the importance of Midular as a Ray of Matar is of deep importance to the Minmatar, even as a Amarr I can see this
[ 2013.04.11 17:31:06 ] Liuni Kalthis > You have fun getting shot at the border for taking of a man in Gallenete custody because you have the patience of a toddler. Wait a week for the information. He isn't going anywhere.
[ 2013.04.11 17:31:09 ] Abja Etbald > The individual has spilled Matari blood, and will be dealt with in the Matari way.
[ 2013.04.11 17:31:28 ] Liuni Kalthis > So an eye for an eye without all the facts?
[ 2013.04.11 17:31:32 ] Seriphyn Inhonores > He also spilled the blood of Cailleans, on Caillean soil.
[ 2013.04.11 17:31:36 ] Liuni Kalthis > Go home, think, and act rationally.
[ 2013.04.11 17:31:49 ] Lucas Raholan > While the Gallente should contiue their investigation once completed it is only right that the perputrator be given to the Matar
[ 2013.04.11 17:31:55 ] Kanaya Laskey > I'm telling you, at least send a neutral party to get them, instead of a Minmatar firing squad.
[ 2013.04.11 17:32:07 ] Liuni Kalthis > The investigation hasn't even been completed.
[ 2013.04.11 17:32:12 ] Abja Etbald > The Federal administration has been informed that at 20:00, we will cross the border, via Bei, to retreive the individual.
[ 2013.04.11 17:32:25 ] Liuni Kalthis > The Minmatar are acting like children when their friend gets beat up.
[ 2013.04.11 17:32:27 ] Abja Etbald > Whether they seek to prevent us, is their own call.
[ 2013.04.11 17:32:38 ] Abja Etbald > Etbald, out-
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If I was subscribed I would be there frothing at the mouth and flying the most patriotic ship I could with as many guns as I could fit. God I'm jealous.
*sigh*
Oh well, I can always froth at the mouth for the the aftermath.
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The Breivik comparison is just the deconstruction talking. I think anyone should be careful with the connotations of bringing such a thing up. This is fiction. That said, stories are always inspired from somewhere.
I'm rather annoyed that Karin Midular has become a punching bag but beyond that I'll refrain from commenting further.
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The Breivik comparison is just the deconstruction talking. I think anyone should be careful with the connotations of bringing such a thing up. This is fiction. That said, stories are always inspired from somewhere.
I'm rather annoyed that Karin Midular has become a punching bag but beyond that I'll refrain from commenting further.
Well, at least she didn't get raped - yet.
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Well, at least she didn't get raped - again.
FTFY
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Anyone on site for event wanna relay info?
Meanwhile in Amarr, every loyalist is fist pumping with the hopes the Republic Fleet starts shooting Fed Navy indiscriminately.
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Some saber-rattling in local and then DED showed up and told the RSS to go home. No shots fired from what I hear.
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RSS jumped across the border and was faced by the Federation Navy. FN would not let them pass, RSS demanded to have the terrorist handed over. This went back and forth a while, RSS demanding their justice and the FN underlining their orders to turn them around.
It went to the point where FN offered final request for RSS to go home before warning shots. DED agent showed up in the nick of time and asked both to calm the hell down, and for the RSS to go home, citing they "were breaching more entries on the Yulai accords than he cared to list". After a while, the RSS cooled down a bit and decided they were getting no-where, going back home. Capsuleers dispersed soon after.
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<3 Odo Korachi.
Going alone banzaaai no matter the threat. He also told a little after that he has had his last battleship for 17 years of service before it got blown up at CP.
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A bit pointless really. Also, I thought RSS where supposed to be sneaky? No evidence of sneak there unless they where using the battle-group to cover for a cov-ops. And why do that when you could just send a team on a neutral flag ship?
Truly stupid behaviour by the Minmatar event actors.
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May have been some bold acts planned by a little RSS group that was maybe not answering completely honest to their superiors. That's almost how it looked like to me, angry RSS officials acting on their own. Makes even more sense when you look at the discussion he had with the FN commanding officer. They apparently both know each other very well since they apparently patrol usually each on their side of the border and have done so for years.
I tend to think of it as a local dispute that got locally blown out of proportions rather than something completely official, except maybe on the FC side. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Republic authorities to deny any involvement in the affair. Or just stay silent.
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Wow, I was making references to how Tony G absolutely desecrated the Midular character, now I thought she could retire peacefully and Abraxas goes and gets her shot.
Girl can't catch a break.
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I don't see Brevik as the inspiration here.
Karen Midular = Gabby Giffords
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I don't see Brevik as the inspiration here.
Karen Midular = Gabby Giffords
Never claimed he was an inspiration for anything, I claimed that the events hit rather close to home for me. Other than that I have no real comment on what CCP may or may not have been inspired from, if anything. May have just cooked it up in a brain-storming session a few days ago and no-one took note of the similarities to somewhat recent IRL events.
As for Midular, I am quite happy to see her active in politics in recent crons, but yeah, it's a bit 'wtf' that shit keeps happening to her like this.
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A bit pointless really. Also, I thought RSS where supposed to be sneaky? No evidence of sneak there unless they where using the battle-group to cover for a cov-ops. And why do that when you could just send a team on a neutral flag ship?
Truly stupid behaviour by the Minmatar event actors.
Depends on what exactly it turns out they're up to.
If you think the RSS was doing this on their own, driven by tribal anger and so impassioned that they would throw caution to the wind and dive over the border in a bid to scare the fed into giving up the perp - yeah, sounds unlikely.
But as I said in this otherwise unrelated post (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=4322.msg71844#msg71844), if the News Team is being very clever here, this might actually be a very plausible action, directed by Shakor to take advantage of the now leaderless (and no doubt very angry) Sebiestor clan (which has been his main opposition to date). Midular, despite having been booted from power by Shakor, is still his main opponent in the Republic. She's still the chief of the Sebbies and is still capable of swaying opinion against him. Her death means his profit, and nobody in the Republic is going to overlook that dynamic shift. He (if we pretend EVE is real) needs to be very careful how he reacts to this to avoid a backlash against a public perception of callous oportunism. He needs to take the Sebeistor side, because right now everyone is grieving with them.
SO, this would be the Political Theory:
The RSS is dispatched (loudly! Very loudly! Talking-to-random-pilots-LOUDLY!) to make a very public show of the Shakor administration's passionate, blindly-angry, perhaps even 'stereotypically Brutor' desire for justice for this Ray of Matar, this great personality and politician. They are stopped by the Fed, having been very LOUD about their intentions and the time of their attempt, and do not receive the go-ahead to engage, despite whatever angry words may have been exchanged. Shakor now has made his token gesture of grief-stricken impulse, has appeased the Sebiestors (who will be very wary of his now-oppositionless actions in the coming days regardless), and has made it clear that he is reacting just like any schmuck on the street.
He can now make loud, empty statements about the Federation's poor handling of the situation from a position of power, having already made a desperate, "dangerous" move. A grieving public likes that. The Federation is going to forgive the RSS for the time being — they have, what, a quarter of the Matari population living as Federation citizens? They need to keep those people happy, as well as maintain their military and economic alliance with the Republic. Both Roden and Shakor will keep the alliance's status quo while making a show of political strength. The Federation will (assuming there's no dramatic prison-break, which WOULD be stereotypical CCP) punish the Terrorist — probably by death — and half the Republic will accept that and the other half will complain that THEY should have been the ones to tear the bastard apart with their bare hands.
The repercussions of the RSS' actions will take place only after the fuss is quieted down and the media is not scrutinizing every move. There will be concessions made behind closed doors, hidden behind other justifications, and certain deals will be made to appease the Federation and the ostensibly offended Republic, and it will be swept away quietly.
Shakor will be in a strengthened position, and though the Sebiestor tribe will still probably oppose his policies, they'll only do it in the same way they had been pre-shooting, rather than the awful intensification it could have become. And they (and the general, apathetic public) will have a sense that he did do the Right Thing™ in this time of crisis, and will be less dead-set against him.
Roden will have maintained the Federations senior-partner role in the Gallente-Matar relationship, and everyone will doubtless agree that he followed the rules and kept a cool head.
It's politics.
Naturally, all sorts of extenuating circumstances could throw a wrench in the works and fuck some critical part of the above plan up. That would be fun.
On the other hand, they might just be setting up a really clumsy Matar-Gallente split. In which case I would be most disappointed with them, because this sort of thing could get really cool.
EDIT: I could easily seethis as a really transparent beginning to a super nationalistic ethnic Gallente vs immigrant Matari clash. Expect to see the Federation Matari rioting and some Black Eagles shooting them and everyone's jimmies getting rustled. Calling it now.
I don't see Brevik as the inspiration here.
Karen Midular = Gabby Giffords
THIS.
I've been waiting for the Gun-Control posts to start up on the Summit myself.
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What I was hoping for:
(http://i.imgur.com/w8d56.gif)
(FYI - Clearly a Sebiestor wielding the deer)
What I got:
(http://www.beyondintractability.org/cic_images/aha/curve-hurting-stalemate.gif)
But I guess it can't be explosions and schadenfreude all the time :(.
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EDIT: I could easily seethis as a really transparent beginning to a super nationalistic ethnic Gallente vs immigrant Matari clash. Expect to see the Federation Matari rioting and some Black Eagles shooting them and everyone's jimmies getting rustled. Calling it now.
That's mostly what I have been "shouting" ICly on most channels since the beginning. It seems so obvious to me that social disorder of a certain magnitude is going to happen, amplified by a snowball effect.
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Yeah, I'm thinking that this is Shakor's just being loud about the situation.
There was no need for the RSS to make a big fuss about crossing the Federation border. They already have public outposts within the Federation, and presumably people stationed at those outposts who can make statements and/or act on behalf of the RSS.
A statement could have been issued indicating faith and confidence in Federation authorities, yadda yadda, while a secret strike team was quietly readied to go snag the perp.
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Also, a single fleet of a dozen of battleships to assault all the way to Caille ? lolwut
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Also, a single fleet of a dozen of battleships to assault all the way to Caille ? lolwut
Maybe it was meant to be a distraction while a secret strike team went after the perp. ;)
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I was only emphasizing on your point.
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What I was hoping for:
(http://i.imgur.com/w8d56.gif)
(FYI - Clearly a Sebiestor wielding the deer)
I have to ask, what in the world is that from?
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Probably this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdpFpfIBkXc).
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Iwan is completely correct. It was a serendipitous evening of live event madness and crap-film watching.
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Okay, so, "Rogue Minmatar Fleet Invades Federation Space" ...
I can't tell whether this is CCP doing grimdark right (dystopia + tribal culture = badly-run, undisciplined military) or wrong (ACTUALLY invading an ally over a terrorist and a wounded diplomat lolwhut).
Of course, there was that thing some years back where the U.S. was apparently drawing up plans for forcibly rescuing accused American war criminals from the International Criminal Court. Just because it's absurd doesn't mean it can't happen.
Hey, anybody remember "freedom fries"?
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I don't think there was anything rogue about the fleet. Abja Etbald cited the Tribal Government while mustering capsuleer support for the RSS fleet. The fleet comes after both governments were in direct contact, and the RSS informed everyone ahead of time about their intentions. I also don't think the fleet was an invasion attempt, it was more likely an escort fleet for the prisoner because the RSS assumed they'd get their way.
Also as an aside, I had mentioned that I liked that CCP is driving a bit of a wedge between the friendly factions with this story. Jamyl just smacked down Kador for hiring Caldari mercs. I doubt that event will get quite as much attention though.
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/karin-midular-in-coma-republic-demands-transfer/
Not looking good for our Ray of Matar :cry:
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It's rare that PF manages to make me sad, but this one does. Midular is one of the few PF character that I love, and TonyG already tore that into pieces.
At least maybe the drama occurring to her could be still a good source of grief and bring her back the sympathy of the Minmatar people and doing what a Ray of Matar should do. But I guess i'm dreaming. So as much as her dying can still be a good source of RP and interesting stuff, that's seeing the character disappear that would frustrate me. That would be quite a pitiful end for a Ray of Matar. Mitigated results in politics, got slandered and evicted by Shakor, and now dead ?
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Stop fucking pissing all over one of EVE's coolest characters damn it :bash:
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Mitigated results in politics, got slandered and evicted by Shakor, and now dead ?
If this is what can happen to someone with the single most prestigious voluvals in Minmatar history, does that mean the marks really aren't that important? What exactly has Midular managed to accomplish for her people? What has she done to 'prove the Voluval correct'?
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It proves that this tribal mumbo-jumbo was just that from the start: Mumbo jumbo. Through that Midular did a great service to the Matari people, proving that her voluval was indeed predicting her great destiny... wait...
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It proves that this tribal mumbo-jumbo was just that from the start: Mumbo jumbo. Through that Midular did a great service to the Matari people, proving that her voluval was indeed predicting her great destiny... wait...
Möbius logic is Möbius. :lol:
I'm kinda with Lyn and Kyoko here though. Poor Karin's had enough PF beatings as it is. :(
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Of course, there was that thing some years back where the U.S. was apparently drawing up plans for forcibly rescuing accused American war criminals from the International Criminal Court.
It's not just a plan, it's the law; the American Service-Members' Protection Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Servicemembers%27_Protection_Act), nicknamed the "The Hague Invasion Act."
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I tell you, both Alliances - the Gallente/Minmatar one as well as the Caldari/Amarr one - will be Dust soon. I think this is part of the de-TonyG-ification.
P.S.: I agree with the Karin Midular thing. If I'm right, I loathe the story team for using her in this. Also, I can't say I'm particularly happy with what I predict in general, either.
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I tell you, both Alliances - the Gallente/Minmatar one as well as the Caldari/Amarr one - will be Dust soon. I think this is part of the de-TonyG-ification.
That would be awesome. I don't believe in it, but it would be awesome.
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I think the need for reason Karin Midular was used is that it's a recognizable face in Minmatar politics. CCP wanted to raise our emotional hackles with this event, the way people got worked up about Caldari Prime. Unfortunately, there are really 2 instantly recognizable names in Minmatar politics - Midular, and Shakor. Offing a head of state, especially one who had just significantly reformed his government, is a MAJOR move. I'm not sure CCP wanted to decapitate the entire tribal-Republic government right now.
Unfortunately, that just leaves Midular. And while it is sad to see her used like this, I have to think she was the only immediately available option.
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OBVIOUSLY she will return as the heart of the swarm.
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Out of interest, does anyone know which of the RSS divisions - as defined in http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Republic_Security_Services_(NPC_corporation) - the NPC(s) driving this from the Republic side arise from or have served with?
The reason for asking goes towards theorycrafting of course. The Republic is somewhat unique amongst empires in that instead of having separate corps for naval military, intelligence and internal security branches it combines them all into the RSS. The corp's own description alludes to them being an empire navy, intelligence service and secret police all rolled into one.
In addition, the wiki page suggests a slight majority control of the RSS by the Krusual tribe and minority stakes from both the Sebbies and Brutors. However, I'm not sure about either relevance or current accuracy of these figures given recent events.
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The Republic Fleet is the empire navy, not the RSS. Or have I missed something crucial?
The linked article shows as empty, by the way.
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The autolinking is broken when link ends in a ).
And yes, RSS is not the navy, they are the Minmatar three-letter agency. (Compare to FIO, MIO and, err, CPF? Caldari are a bit more de-centralized.) Why they are allowed to keep stations all over the place escapes me, though.
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OBVIOUSLY she will return as the heart of the swarm.
Well if the Jove put themselves out to rescue Shakor maybe they'll do the same thing for his counterpart? Assuming they are still around that is.
The autolinking is broken when link ends in a ).
And yes, RSS is not the navy, they are the Minmatar three-letter agency. (Compare to FIO, MIO and, err, CPF? Caldari are a bit more de-centralized.) Why they are allowed to keep stations all over the place escapes me, though.
Why are they allowed to put stations all over the place? Maybe they are very, very good at digging up enough dirt to persuade people to authorise it?
It has to be said having RSS stations in all the core nations makes the event a tad daft. Why not just send a delegation from the Fed office who are already pre-cleared to be there and not look so idiotic?
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CCP Derp or a calculated bluster-move on the RSS's side, perhaps? Emotions run high and you don't always think clearly on what you do. For all we know the RSS officer who decided to make a move over the border got the idea, forgot there were far more convenient ways, and then spent all his time organizing the op?
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So, CCP Derp or RSS Derp? :lol:
I thought people in institutions like the RSS are paid to keep cool when emotions run high...
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The Republic Fleet is the empire navy, not the RSS. Or have I missed something crucial?
Fair enough, but that sharpens the main point I was making doesn't it? Why is the Republic intelligence service involved, rather than their navy/police? What I'm driving at is that one of the theories it generates is that the would-be assassin could be working for one of the tribal factions within the Republic. Another is that the suspect is connected to the first-gen clones. Etc, etc.
If either of those are the case, I'm okay with seeing Karin Midular caught up in it as - given the recent chronicle she appeared in and events within the Republic - it becomes more relevant to the background setting.
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I am mostly okay with Midular coming back on the spotlight. Passed the initial reaction I mostly think my annoyance is mostly caused by TonyG stuff, and also the fear to see her ending up like some kind of martyr after having failed at almost... everything.
I think that is actually a good opportunity for her (if she survives) to wash out all the crappy things that severely stain her character and reveal her as what she was supposed to be at the beginning.
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I think that is actually a good opportunity for her (if she survives) to wash out all the crappy things that severely stain her character and reveal her as what she was supposed to be at the beginning.
If that's what they want; yes.
I would very much like to see this character develop and become the "second man" of the Republic, much like Blaque has that kind of influence in the Federation. In different ways, of course.
Not to mention that if she survives regardless of billion-to-one odds, she will be quite more revered than previously. Her survival would be its own kind of miracle. Suddenly she becomes an even greater opinion leader and a nearly untouchable political demigod in such a situation. Her followers aren't all fools, but they'll likely think of it as a sign.
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FUCK YOU CCP. (http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/sebiestor-tribe-issues-update-on-midulars-condition/) :bash:
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And the Fed are still being assholes. You think they'd release info by now....
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And the Fed are still being assholes. You think they'd release info by now....
Can you really NOT imagine why they would not release any info on the assailant beyond 'being assholes'? Come on Anslo this is supposed to be OOC, you can bitch IC all day, but here I kind of expected a bit more nuance and theory-crafting.
I can personally think of at least 4 reasons why they might not release any info on this person. What annoys me is the near guarantee that Midular will die or be rendered a cripple by now, though I guess that was somehow in the cards to start with. Way to go fuck up possibly the least-deserving NPC in the lore, CCP. Thanks.
I wonder what the hell this is supposed to lead to :psyccp:
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I know there's other reasons but I'll still call them assholes. For instance, let's say the assailant is some Fed plant to kill Midular for whatever reason and they don't what the Minnies finding out. Of course it's possible.
That doesn't make the Fed any less assholish.
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I know there's other reasons but I'll still call them assholes. For instance, let's say the assailant is some Fed plant to kill Midular for whatever reason and they don't what the Minnies finding out. Of course it's possible.
That doesn't make the Fed any less assholish.
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It is a very standard procedure for Law Enforcement to keep the results of their investigations mum until they're satisfied that they know all the facts and have interviewed all relevant suspects. This guy carried out a sophisticated bomb/gun attack, evading security and firing at the crowd from a vantage point. If I were the Gallente investigators, I'd be quietly (and furiously) pursuing the possibility that someone with knowledge of the security arrangements had assisted in some way.
And yes, that could mean that the terrorist's accomplice is well-connected politically, but tbh, I don't know that the Federation's detectives would be inclined to hush it up given the huge number of Fed citizens killed or wounded. This IS still the Federation, self-purported utopia of democracy and freedom. It's the Republic which has the endemic corruption in its government officials.
Unless they've pulled everyone off the case except for the Black Eagles?
Also, really? People are surprised that in EVE, grimdarkhelldeath universe wherein even the players are encouraged to Do Unto each-other, someone didn't survive? Hell, in that rather *ahem* Chronicle about the leaders meeting in secret to talk DUST, I was expecting the Empress to try to assassinate the others right there.
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Right now I'm guessing that the shooter is a Sleeper-influenced DUST soldier, one of the ones who went AWOL during the 514 incident and another of whom put an insufficiently-fatal bullet in Tibus Heth. Midular was probably the real target of the attack in the first place.
Remember that the apparent Sleeper angle on this thing is not one that would result in taking out only the most baneful or powerful leaders in each empire; it's one that would result in attempting to eliminate the empires as a threat to Sleeper civilization. My guess is that this is being calculated to complicate New Eden's diplomacy and gradually tilt the empires towards collapse. How they get there, I don't know, but that's how it feels.
That's assuming that there is a coherent plan and not just a bunch of Sleeper-maddened DUST troops running off on their own and targeting people their Sleeper victim/companions would categorize as "responsible parties."
In either case, it would neatly explain why the Federation's being so reluctant to release info about the terrorist. (1) If he's Sleeper-infested, this is an excellent opportunity to study the problem; (2) if he's Sleeper-driven, it's difficult to justify throwing him to the wolves-- he's unlikely to be what you'd call "competent to stand trial." (Darned national belief in human rights getting in the way of good vicious practicality.) However, the reasons for that could prove difficult to explain.
And then there's where the equipment came from....
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I am seriously starting to be disgusted by these sleepers possessing all the dusties and assassinating everyone around.
I really, really don't like it. It's tedious to me.
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This sleeper business looks interesting, where could I read?
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This sleeper business looks interesting, where could I read?
Templar One. If you really, really feel the need to.
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Not all of it is Tony G. There are also a couple of chronicles relating to it. Don't remember the names offhand, but they're recent and obvious.
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I know there's other reasons but I'll still call them assholes. For instance, let's say the assailant is some Fed plant to kill Midular for whatever reason and they don't what the Minnies finding out. Of course it's possible.
That doesn't make the Fed any less assholish.
Whatever you say man. Whatever.
But keep this here in mind:
It is a very standard procedure for Law Enforcement to keep the results of their investigations mum until they're satisfied that they know all the facts and have interviewed all relevant suspects. This guy carried out a sophisticated bomb/gun attack, evading security and firing at the crowd from a vantage point. If I were the Gallente investigators, I'd be quietly (and furiously) pursuing the possibility that someone with knowledge of the security arrangements had assisted in some way.
And yes, that could mean that the terrorist's accomplice is well-connected politically, but tbh, I don't know that the Federation's detectives would be inclined to hush it up given the huge number of Fed citizens killed or wounded. This IS still the Federation, self-purported utopia of democracy and freedom. It's the Republic which has the endemic corruption in its government officials.
Unless they've pulled everyone off the case except for the Black Eagles?
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Also, really? People are surprised that in EVE, grimdarkhelldeath universe wherein even the players are encouraged to Do Unto each-other, someone didn't survive? Hell, in that rather *ahem* Chronicle about the leaders meeting in secret to talk DUST, I was expecting the Empress to try to assassinate the others right there.
Shit happens and people die. It does not negate my right to be annoyed that one of the few NPC's I like (for being reasonable and generally civilized, oh the horror, perish the thought!) get fucked over and killed/molested for the sake of apparent plot-progression. CCP doing whatever they wish with their setting/lore is nothing new and they have a right to it, but it irks me a great deal that all the likable characters seem to get the short ends of the stick while the rest who (in my opinion ofc) are rather unlikable soldiers on.
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Recently I have come to guess that CCP story teams usually mistreat character that are generally well liked or well received to create drama, in opposition to the ones that we despise more or less. Because it has to be grimdark, you know. ..
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Recently I have come to guess that CCP story teams usually mistreat character that are generally well liked or well received to create drama, in opposition to the ones that we despise more or less. Because it has to be grimdark, you know. ..
I dunno.... Tibus Heth hasn't been loving life lately.
(Please kill him off pleasepleaseplease)
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Just because people have been doing a literal fuss over something like 3 or 4 years as of now. As well as TonyG related stuff.