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On the last Live Dev Blog one of the CCP said that the Amarr will be the first to deploy the Dust soldiers technology. Many propably thouth that it rether be Caldari or Gallente.
So i am wondering why the Amarr, their technology may not be the best but their scientists recive good education, maby it has to do something with Takmahl technology.
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I'm not sure where the impression the Amarr don't have good tech comes from. For one thing, they are supposed to have some of the best cybernetics technology in the cluster. They're no slouches when it comes to other areas either. They also probably don't mind doing the human testing needed for Dust soldiers, so that makes a certain amount of sense to me.
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On the last Live Dev Blog one of the CCP said that the Amarr will be the first to deploy the Dust soldiers technology. Many propably thouth that it rether be Caldari or Gallente.
Well, "first" doesn't necessarily imply perfection of the technology.
So i am wondering why the Amarr, their technology may not be the best but their scientists recive good education, maby it has to do something with Takmahl technology.
Takmahl Phrenic Appendix
Takmahl Biodroid Controller
http://www.ccpgames.com/en/home.aspx There's a visual clue on that page. ;)
It makes sense, in a way. Phrenic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenic_nerve) for instance.
I'm not sure where the impression the Amarr don't have good tech comes from. For one thing, they are supposed to have some of the best cybernetics technology in the cluster. They're no slouches when it comes to other areas either. They also probably don't mind doing the human testing needed for Dust soldiers, so that makes a certain amount of sense to me.
http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=11-03-09
I doubt that they are the ones that did the human testing. 8) Jamyl says it herself, clear as day.
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Sweet... so Amarr Dust soldiers will be lobotomized meat-puppets enabled by arcane Sansha techno-wizardry?!
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It's quite simple. The prohibitions against cloning and genetic manipulation, and the cautious nature of Amarr scientific progress, means they are the obvious choice to be first to deploy such things.
The Dust novel will probably start off as follows:
Evil priests find an evil Sansha troop doodad, and reverse engineer it in their evil science chapels, and present their findings to the evil Amarr Navy evil admirals, who all shout "hurrah, this will enable our evil schemes to proceed evilly. The Evil God be praised, in an evil fashion!".
Thus, the evil troops are evilly sent out to further evil plans to spread evilness, evilly.
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On the last Live Dev Blog one of the CCP said that the Amarr will be the first to deploy the Dust soldiers technology. Many propably thouth that it rether be Caldari or Gallente.
So i am wondering why the Amarr, their technology may not be the best but their scientists recive good education, maby it has to do something with Takmahl technology.
Best technology or not, they have more or less the best ground forces all around the cluster (khanid cyber knights, kameiras, amarr elite counter-boarding companies, etc). The other empires probably have their own top elite forces, but not on such a scale I suppose. Add to that the arguments presented above concerning human testings and so on...
Im curious to know the exact reason though.
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Lou's probably got it about right, from what we've seen previously.
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It's quite simple. The prohibitions against cloning and genetic manipulation, and the cautious nature of Amarr scientific progress, means they are the obvious choice to be first to deploy such things.
The Dust novel will probably start off as follows:
Evil priests find an evil Sansha troop doodad, and reverse engineer it in their evil science chapels, and present their findings to the evil Amarr Navy evil admirals, who all shout "hurrah, this will enable our evil schemes to proceed evilly. The Evil God be praised, in an evil fashion!".
Thus, the evil troops are evilly sent out to further evil plans to spread evilness, evilly.
TONY G ALT DETECTED! We've been infiltrated! :)
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It's quite simple. The prohibitions against cloning and genetic manipulation, and the cautious nature of Amarr scientific progress, means they are the obvious choice to be first to deploy such things.
The Dust novel will probably start off as follows:
Evil priests find an evil Sansha troop doodad, and reverse engineer it in their evil science chapels, and present their findings to the evil Amarr Navy evil admirals, who all shout "hurrah, this will enable our evil schemes to proceed evilly. The Evil God be praised, in an evil fashion!".
Thus, the evil troops are evilly sent out to further evil plans to spread evilness, evilly.
TONY G ALT DETECTED! We've been infiltrated! :)
If shes a Tony G alt then Tony is a lot cuter than I originally thought. :P
On the downside I think she probably hit the evil nail on its evil head with her plot synopsis.
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It's quite simple. The prohibitions against cloning and genetic manipulation, and the cautious nature of Amarr scientific progress, means they are the obvious choice to be first to deploy such things.
The Dust novel will probably start off as follows:
Evil priests find an evil Sansha troop doodad, and reverse engineer it in their evil science chapels, and present their findings to the evil Amarr Navy evil admirals, who all shout "hurrah, this will enable our evil schemes to proceed evilly. The Evil God be praised, in an evil fashion!".
Thus, the evil troops are evilly sent out to further evil plans to spread evilness, evilly.
TONY G ALT DETECTED! We've been infiltrated! :)
If shes a Tony G alt then Tony is a lot cuter than I originally thought. :P
On the downside I think she probably hit the evil nail on its evil head with her plot synopsis.
:cry:
Why all the hate on Amarr? We're the good guys!
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It's quite simple. The prohibitions against cloning and genetic manipulation, and the cautious nature of Amarr scientific progress, means they are the obvious choice to be first to deploy such things.
The Dust novel will probably start off as follows:
Evil priests find an evil Sansha troop doodad, and reverse engineer it in their evil science chapels, and present their findings to the evil Amarr Navy evil admirals, who all shout "hurrah, this will enable our evil schemes to proceed evilly. The Evil God be praised, in an evil fashion!".
Thus, the evil troops are evilly sent out to further evil plans to spread evilness, evilly.
TONY G ALT DETECTED! We've been infiltrated! :)
If shes a Tony G alt then Tony is a lot cuter than I originally thought. :P
On the downside I think she probably hit the evil nail on its evil head with her plot synopsis.
:cry:
Why all the hate on Amarr? We're the good guys!
DO NOT FEAR BATTLE-SISTER, AMARR ENDURES!
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It's quite simple. The prohibitions against cloning and genetic manipulation, and the cautious nature of Amarr scientific progress, means they are the obvious choice to be first to deploy such things.
The Dust novel will probably start off as follows:
Evil priests find an evil Sansha troop doodad, and reverse engineer it in their evil science chapels, and present their findings to the evil Amarr Navy evil admirals, who all shout "hurrah, this will enable our evil schemes to proceed evilly. The Evil God be praised, in an evil fashion!".
Thus, the evil troops are evilly sent out to further evil plans to spread evilness, evilly.
TONY G ALT DETECTED! We've been infiltrated! :)
If shes a Tony G alt then Tony is a lot cuter than I originally thought. :P
On the downside I think she probably hit the evil nail on its evil head with her plot synopsis.
:cry:
Why all the hate on Amarr? We're the good guys!
Embrace it. :twisted:
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It's quite simple. The prohibitions against cloning and genetic manipulation, and the cautious nature of Amarr scientific progress, means they are the obvious choice to be first to deploy such things.
The Dust novel will probably start off as follows:
Evil priests find an evil Sansha troop doodad, and reverse engineer it in their evil science chapels, and present their findings to the evil Amarr Navy evil admirals, who all shout "hurrah, this will enable our evil schemes to proceed evilly. The Evil God be praised, in an evil fashion!".
Thus, the evil troops are evilly sent out to further evil plans to spread evilness, evilly.
TONY G ALT DETECTED! We've been infiltrated! :)
If shes a Tony G alt then Tony is a lot cuter than I originally thought. :P
On the downside I think she probably hit the evil nail on its evil head with her plot synopsis.
:cry:
Why all the hate on Amarr? We're the good guys!
Hate Amarr... Who ? Not me!
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It's quite simple. The prohibitions against cloning and genetic manipulation, and the cautious nature of Amarr scientific progress, means they are the obvious choice to be first to deploy such things.
I'm inclined to think that the Amarr's foray into experimental immortal soldiers is what established the precedent in their culture for "Cloning = no soul" thing. I am not under the impression Capsuleers caused that new topic to emerge, so it had to come from some where.
F T R, the Sansha do not have a monopoly on advanced cloning technology (and I think the Serpentis are right behind them in that department). The Sansha are the ones willing to use it quickly, though.
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Begun, this Clone War has.
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Amarr Victor.
And I have always pictured even the basic front line Amarr Troopers in powered armor suits with laser rifles/ornate staff type weapons that double as laser rifles (thing a Glaive with a Reinforced shaft that also houses a high powered laser rifle)
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You've watched too much Stargate.
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Begun, this Clone War has.
TANCRED STILL ENDURES!
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It's quite simple. The prohibitions against cloning and genetic manipulation, and the cautious nature of Amarr scientific progress, means they are the obvious choice to be first to deploy such things.
I'm inclined to think that the Amarr's foray into experimental immortal soldiers is what established the precedent in their culture for "Cloning = no soul" thing. I am not under the impression Capsuleers caused that new topic to emerge, so it had to come from some where.
F T R, the Sansha do not have a monopoly on advanced cloning technology (and I think the Serpentis are right behind them in that department). The Sansha are the ones willing to use it quickly, though.
Could be a number of things. The whole Mad Emperor debacle, whatever the Takmahl were up to, etc. Even the whole Jovians and how things went pearshaped after they engineered themselves. Tends to suggest a "When Will Science Learn?" theme.
The Blood Raiders know something about mass cloning (it comes up in COSMOS), although that may just be reversed engineered Takmahl doodads. Mass cloning, but with some engineered variation so they're not 100% identical, so people don't notice.
Weirdly, it says that the clones would be "impure" for unspecified reasons, which contradicts some of the things in the chronicles. Might just be an IC confusion, as it's an agent briefing, rather than a 3rd person view. vOv.
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Begun, this Clone War has.
So... when do I get to start shooting clones at you?
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Begun, this Clone War has.
So... when do I get to start shooting clones at you?
Never, sadly. I'm not playing EVE anymore. :P
You've watched too much Stargate.
Shol'va! Silence!
On a more serious note, I do think the writers of EVE have read too many Dune books... I mean, Jamyl/Bad Jamyl reminds me quite a bit of Alia Atreides (Abomination-Alia, with the voice of the Baron in her head), and she has "telepathy" (hehehe, "Unless I'm born like you, I cannot think like you"), etc. One of the Titans in Dune was named Tlaloc. Ancient machines from beyond...
;)
EDIT: Also, for those who may not have got the implications...
Templar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar#Legends_and_relics). The first "immortal soldiers" are Templars? ;)
At the end of days when they descend
Watch for the coming of the Ark
For within it
Salvation is carried.
-The Scriptures, Apocalypse Verses 32:6
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(Just give Amann a couple more weeks.)
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I do agree they will be called Templars on the Amarr Side of things.
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I do agree they will be called Templars on the Amarr Side of things.
That's a good conclusion since CCP (Tony Gonzales) stated so quite clearly last week. ;)
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Didn't get to Hear it - I was at work - And No one Appears to have Recorded it, or Posted a Full transcript anywhere.
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You mean like this (http://rift.chromebits.net/2011/03/live-dev-blog-fiction-and-content/)? Or even this (http://keithneilson.co.uk/live-dev-blog-breakdown-08032011/#more-3381)? (Not sure about recordings, though I understand some folks said they planned to do so.)
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Part 1 of live dev blog (http://bit.ly/ejm0Tp)
Part 2 of live dev blog (http://bit.ly/eWfsGz)
should work
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I saw the topic and thought, "why would anyone want to create an army from bellybutton fluff?" Then I read it, shrugged and moved on.
I don't have a console I can play Dust on, but, here's my few pennies...
Amarr have always been quite advanced with their tech, if anything, the Minmatar are the 'technologically backwards' race, only in the regards that they've had to rebuild most of what the Amarr destroyed during their first and subsequent slave raids.
I smell a lot of dark Blooder & Snasha tech coming into play for the Amarr side. The Caldari would be more likely to use a modified version of their tube child tech.
Gallente, I'm not sure. Maybe their Dust soldiers will be bio-mechanical drone things with advanced combat AI or something. And that leaves the Minmatar, probably using some Gallente tech and stealing whatever else they need from the Amarr.
I don't do PI and I wont be getting a sexBox/PoS3/Urine console thingy anytime soon, so it doesn't really worry me. Unless I can earn easy money from it in EVE. When I get back in...
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CCP have it Licensensed on the Xbox 360, PS3 and the PC. They still have not officially Stated what systems it will be coming out for.
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The truth is that it's not actually the Amarr that will field the first Dust troops, but actually the Khanid will field the first Dust Troops. But since we Khanid are part of the Amarr Empire, they will actually take the credit for our Crack Cyber-Warriors as they decimate planets before the Iron Boots of our Warriors and our Golden and Black Fleets.