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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE OOC Summit => Topic started by: Aldrith Shutaq on 10 Dec 2012, 17:29
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Go here to tell the Live Events team where you stand!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=179792 (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=179792)
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Had Morwen seen that thread yet?
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Thank you for posting this, I'll help spread the word around to those I know.
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Yea some people are trolling with there loyalty or its just me
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A few trolls are always to be expected. Long as most treat it somewhat seriously and respond as requested, we should be good.
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Does not have "ISK" or "It's complicated." options, apparently. Sad Jev.
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Had Morwen seen that thread yet?
It's a good thing I find this funny, or you'd probably find this shitcanned for trolling, Esna. :P
(To clarify: no less than 4 separate people asked me if I'd seen that thread yesterday, two of them within five minutes of me returning home after work.)
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Hey Morwen..
Did you see that thre- *gets smacked with a flying Viola*
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Ermahgerd, Sernsherr's Nerrtion
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Sernshers Nershern
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riiiiibbit
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CCP Falcon may just be the best thing that has happened to the RP community in years.
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has the finger pointing started yet, with people using what people have said in that thread as evidence of things?
it seems kind of inevitable. Like, you can't not know something if it's stated in that thread.
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So far, I've not seen any surprises that I wouldn't have known about IC already on my characters.
But that potential issue is partly why I'm not posting (or, rather, why I wouldn't if I could, not being CEO), yes.
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It's so much fun to be part of a simple "boring" empire loyal corp. You can tell people your factional alignment and nobody, not even SF, would think of quoting you to go "ha-haa! I knew it all along, you're a dirty amarr loyalist!" :D
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has the finger pointing started yet, with people using what people have said in that thread as evidence of things?
it seems kind of inevitable. Like, you can't not know something if it's stated in that thread.
the info is stated to be OOC in the OP.
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That hasn't stopped some people in the past, Tiberious.
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That hasn't stopped some people in the past, Tiberious.
Not just empty quoting. :|
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And space nun Louella lost all faith in humanity /o\
This freaks me out.
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Ach if only.
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Eh, it's kind of inevitable that that thread will colour people's interactions with one another.
And/or generate more arguing about what is or what is not known IC.
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Eh, it's kind of inevitable that that thread will colour people's interactions with one another.
And/or generate more arguing about what is or what is not known IC.
Whilst true, also not an incredibly useful way of thinking at all.
The thread to me basically says that CCP are keeping mindful of who corporations in-game declare they're loyal to when it comes to planning events.
This is a good thing.
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Eh, it's kind of inevitable that that thread will colour people's interactions with one another.
And/or generate more arguing about what is or what is not known IC.
Whilst true, also not an incredibly useful way of thinking at all.
The thread to me basically says that CCP are keeping mindful of who corporations in-game declare they're loyal to when it comes to planning events.
This is a good thing.
This. The benefits far out-weight the chances of OOC-info breaches of trust - for those who want to do this there are plenty of incentives. This forum, blogs, journals, corp-history, etc. A post in a CCP-started tread on EVE-O hardly adds anything to this.
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If you have a problem with your loyalty being publicly known, then you probably wouldn't be attending live events anyway, due to how high-profile they are, so I don't see the issue.
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Looking over the list again while I eat lunch, of all of the RP corps I recognize on the list, I don't see any whose loyalties were either a surprise or not something already verifiable IC with a little digging or looking around. There are a bunch of other corps I've never seen before, though, but that's not surprising. EVE's a big place. :P
Something needs to be done about the Intaki ones though - I didn't see a single person who actually declared loyalty to the Syndicate - they declared loyalty to the Assembly or the secessionist movement instead, which is entirely, completely different from the Syndicate.
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My personal favorite moment in the thread so far has been Mind Games declaring for the Serpentis... and then changing to the Angels.. and then asking for any info on live events to be sent to their main.
Translates pretty obviously into "Tell us where they are so we can come and shoot at everything that moves".
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If the thread is threatening your immersion, don't read it.
Simple.
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My personal favorite moment in the thread so far has been Mind Games declaring for the Serpentis... and then changing to the Angels.. and then asking for any info on live events to be sent to their main.
Translates pretty obviously into "Tell us where they are so we can come and shoot at everything that moves".
Not a suprise really
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If you have a problem with your loyalty being publicly known, then you probably wouldn't be attending live events anyway, due to how high-profile they are, so I don't see the issue.
I think we need a "quote for truth" button on Backstage.
Though in my case it's more a problem with figuring out which loyalty is accurate for which character...
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If you have a problem with your loyalty being publicly known, then you probably wouldn't be attending live events anyway, due to how high-profile they are, so I don't see the issue.
I beg to disagree, you can perfectly attend a live event being unaffiliated, but actually being a staunch loyalist of a sikrit faction.
It could have been my case since Lyn's true affiliation has been made more or less public only in the past year.
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If you have a problem with your loyalty being publicly known, then you probably wouldn't be attending live events anyway, due to how high-profile they are, so I don't see the issue.
I beg to disagree, you can perfectly attend a live event being unaffiliated, but actually being a staunch loyalist of a sikrit faction.
It could have been my case since Lyn's true affiliation has been made more or less public only in the past year.
Let me rephrase, you wouldn't go to an event and publicly support the faction you are secretly working for.
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Yes, but this thread is for CCP to know who to contact in every faction if needed. If you want to be acknowledged by Falcon with your sikrit faction....
Well, imagine that Aldrith is a Minmatar spy and want to make Falcon know it, but want at the same time not to reveal the THING...
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For the record, I am actually a Minmatar spy.
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I've actually been working for SYNE this whole time.
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I've actually been working for SYNE this whole time.
(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/2423/1276046110758.jpg)
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Impersonating a Space Marine is heresy too, look at how small he is - he's supposed to be twice the Guardsman's size!
Actually the Guardsman is a heretic too, he's falling for it. :twisted:
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Impersonating a Space Marine is heresy too, look at how small he is - he's supposed to be twice the Guardsman's size!
Actually the Guardsman is a heretic too, he's falling for it. :twisted:
Heresy, read and comprehend... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy)
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I wonder if I can declare for the Sleepers...
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I wonder if I can declare for the Sleepers...
As long as you don't expect a response :D Because if they'd respond that'd mean you've woken them up - and then they'd no longer be sleeper and then you'd be the one who single handedly wiped out a faction and made a new one :cry:
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I wonder if I can declare for the Sleepers...
Embrace your True Destiny, Uraniae.
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The thing about unwritten rules and unspoken agreements is that if someone breaks them either deliberately or accidentally, then it generates a whole lot of drama and fractures between people, leading to groups not talking to one another, which is harmful in the long run, to everyone.
So, no, I do not regret bringing it up. Someone has to.
And the thread in question has been updated subsequently, to make it clear the actors won't call people out.
So the actors wont be going around saying "Hello Bloodfriend!" to any of the blood raider players, or similar kinds of things, and it's up to the players to reveal to others through their actions what's what, through doing things ingame&inspace, rather than foruming.
So, \o/
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As far as I understand, sleepers now are just automated mechanical defenses.
To be a sleeper loyalist means... well... adopting infamous Bender's ideas 'to kill all humans' :D
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They aded Intaki Secessionist to the list even if there no such faction officialy :roll:
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Meh. The Intaki secession movement is definitely a thing in the lore, and the whole point of getting players to declare is to figure out how to sort them. If a bunch of people are declaring loyalty to a thing the setting has existing as a faction people might feel loyal to, it really only makes sense for CCP to recognize that. I mean, isn't the whole point of the sandbox that we can have an impact on things like this?
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If they added 'Intaki secessionists', then now it is an official faction, no? Even if it wasn't until now.
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Despite its basis in established lore we secessionists haven't really had anything to link ourselves to in game, and it's something Sakaane and I raised at Fanfest 2011.
In contrast to the other empires, with NPCs representing different facets of their government's stucture, there is nothing for the Intaki Assembly. No stations, no agents, no in game presence.
I can understand the logic behind CCP Falcon allocating those of us who declared for the Secessionist movement, even if its not an ideal fit, and hopefully that being questioned doesn't result in our declarations being wiped from the list entirely.
It'd be a bit disappointing for one of the more interesting aspects (IMO) of the Federation political landscape, that has already featured in the FW storyline of the Caldari sweeping through Placid to be ignored while Quafe get represented.
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There's nothing for any of the Federal Assemblies, not just the Intaki one. I think their role is largely regional; they'd be analogous to a constellation-wide Holder or a single-system megacorp subsidiary, depending on the Assembly in question. Neither of those groupings are represented in game either.
Which isn't to say that they shouldn't be, but I'm not at all surprised that they aren't.
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About half the Caldari players were declaring for the State and our chosen political faction (and about half of those are in corps with names like Lai Dai and Wirykomi ;) )
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Good thing I wasn't drinking anything while reading the fiction dev blog comment thread.
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/ISD%20Archetys%20Traum
Corporation: ISD AURORA
Edit: Might just be an old volunteer. Galen's also an AURORA member.
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/ISD%20Galen
(And also a few odd corp assignments, ingame corp doesn't appear to be too meaningful.)
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Galen is good people.
Should be some good things coming up
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Woah!
AURORA!
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Galen is good people.
Should be some good things coming up
Quoting for great justice.
Galen's an amazing dude.
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Who is heee?
I came after the time of Aurora so I have no idea how this thingy works.
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Who is heee?
I came after the time of Aurora so I have no idea how this thingy works.
Galen is on Mercury [Fiction] team. Mercury handles Evelopedia and PF
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Yeah, looked at a few ISD in odd ingame corps (Polaris Corporation, AURORA) and their sigs seem to indicate that they're in Mercury. Was just "rather surprised" to see a few of them (people I linked) openly carrying the ISD AURORA corp on the forums. As in, "oh, cool ISD replies, hey he's showing his corp--- wait, what?"
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Meh. The Intaki secession movement is definitely a thing in the lore, and the whole point of getting players to declare is to figure out how to sort them. If a bunch of people are declaring loyalty to a thing the setting has existing as a faction people might feel loyal to, it really only makes sense for CCP to recognize that. I mean, isn't the whole point of the sandbox that we can have an impact on things like this?
This.
And because we pointed it out, CCP came along and deleted all the secessionists (and other players who declared to "unofficial" factions) from the list.
@Sakaane
@ccp_eterne It smacks of elitism. If you guys weren't prepared to properly acknowledge everyone from the start, you shouldn't have asked.
@CCP_Eterne
@Sakaane We didn't intend it to acknowledge everyone, only to group people easily into the factions we made contacts for.
Source (https://twitter.com/CCP_Eterne/status/281051302128136193)
I'm pretty unhappy with how they're handling this. They ask the playerbase to declare their loyalty, and then when a bunch of people come out of the woodwork to declare loyalty to factions which "don't exist" in the game, they go, "Oh, well, we didn't mean you guys." CCP Eterne also told me, "This isn't to declare your RP" which is honestly some of the worst baloney I've heard in a while; if you have loyalty to an NPC faction in a video game, that is RP.
In any case, here's hoping they come through with a solution for those of us who aren't represented. You know, before I turn 40.
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Why not just sign under Syndicate and tell that Syndicate helps Secessionist movement? :roll:
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As a rule, I think the IPI guys don't really like the Syndicate.
Sad to see they took down the secessionist option. Seems like a real missed opportunity on their part. On the other hand, their clarification sounds like they're looking less for 'who do you explicitly support?' and more for 'which large umbrella of notifications do you want to be included in?'
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Why not just sign under Syndicate and tell that Syndicate helps Secessionist movement? :roll:
This.
Not to like, urdoinitrong, but if I recall, the reason the intaki secessionist movement never gained more political ground was that everyone who wanted to leave, already went to Syndicate. I could understand the whole homeworld support thing, but is there anything wrong with supporting Syndicate besides 'they're pirates' ? There's a huge Intaki secessionist RP bloc, but there's seemingly no one allied with the Syndicate itself, which I think is a shame, because they seem really cool and I would totally RP with them if there was.
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There's really a big difference between being in support of an ordered secession or a band of criminals.
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In my response to CCP Eterne and CCP Falcon I said that it would be likely for Secession RPers to interact with the Syndicate contact, due to proximity, any plausible storyline that comes from them, and yes, it does appear to be the closest thing we're looking for, on paper.
But that's not the same as declaring our loyalty to them. Yes a lot of Intaki have left if unhappy with the Fed. Some went to the Syndicate. It also makes sense that there is a degree of Syndicate sponsorship for secessionist elements in Intaki if goals appear to align.
But by the same token some Intaki went to the State. It's plausible for there to be State sponsorship too as a method of reducing or frustrating Federal influence in parts of Placid. It wouldn't make sense to declare loyalty to the State though.
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Urge to resubscribe rising...
(Though the fact that I'm about to be back in a land of consistent intertube connectivity probably has more to do with that...)